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The script doesn't seem to use any advanced libraries, so a barebones installation of Python 2.7.6 and some knowledge of command line...

Ok, what kind of things do you want it to ba able to do? Randomly split the code and give a decoding? Be able to fix some codes? Or just as is (which is probably very confusing)?

Just as is could be ok - since I don't know what it does. A short instruction would be nice.

Otherwise I ran out of ideas.

Helpful would be, if we could guess some pieces of plaintext. Therefore, what has been written about in all epigraphs and what is still missing? I don't beliebe, the code is just a repetition of the other stuff. Keywords could be tried to decipher the code.

So far we have seen every second letter starting from the first, and every second letter starting from the second…..has anyone tried every third letter starting from the second?

The problem we have is to split the code into coded letters (btw, could also be syllables). This is possible in many ways and each possibility has to be decoded. But - feel free and give it a try ;-)

At least you still have humour...

Considering Floorboard 17: I don't think we can deduce anything from it - the shorter message could be cut, only gibberish after the readable

stuff, etc. Perhaps Capitals can be used as a key to 2nd Ceiling rotation, Pattern 15.

Asking him would be nice Maybe we can at least narrow down the type, and eliminate possibility of transposition, etc ...

 

As for the frankenscript: reading it is less important than having the ability to run it... Not all people can use Python and commandline.

At the moment I don't know how to run the script, but I can learn - what do I need?

I was wondering how the code would look in translations of WoR (e.g German)...

A ciphertext attack without knowing the encryption algorithm and key. That's what we are doing.

Mapping into epigraphs could mean a mapping to letters or even to words. Stays the problem of splitting our 154

digits.

So, I've got some real work to do, I'll be back in the evening.

Perhaps someone finds out which algorithm has been used, at least ;-)

And yet you consider a nonprefix code which is an order of magnitude harder than prefix one XD

The answer to that is quite simple: I don't know how to work a prefix code, so I tried substitution which looked feasible enough.

Assign a key to a number and there you go. Unfortunately it turns out to be more complicated...

Yeah, possible. Or it's simple and we are just too blind to see it. Of course it can be as difficult as you can imagine, but that no good

assumtion to solve it ;-)

Ok, do I get this right? Homophonic substitution smears out the statistical distribution of letters.

The code parsed to numbers from 1 to 25(26) yields a distribution which fairly renders a distribution in

English. (not exactly, but that is not expected with approximately 100 signs)

Therefore I would disband homophonic substitution

Concerning Numbered Key Cipher: I see a problem with cipherlenght, largest number in cipher and resulting key-lenght:

I read about solving Numbered Key Ciphers:  https://sites.google.com/site/bionspot/solving-a-numbered-key-cipher

In our code we have 154 digits =77 doublets.

The largest number is 93, means the length of the keyed alphabet is 93+1=94 ( 1 for 00).

Expected number of blanks: approx. 6

results in estimated keylenght: 94-6=88.

The key would likely be longer than our plaintext message consisting of 77 doublets. Does that make sense, or did I misunderstand something?

Good morning everybody - I see, you were busy while I slept. Don't stick to much to abundances. We have a very short sample here, and some epigraphs contain "insane" phrases like "WhereWhereWhere". Letter combination "Wh" could be much more abundant than statistically predicted, if there are many questions in this piece of coded text.

who, where, why ...

Considering double letters: letters can be double or the ending of one word and the beginning of another.

Capitals: Outsch, yes. There are capital letters in the other epigraphs. That gives us the possibility to assign two

different numbers to one letter, if needed to make sense. One for minor, one for capital letter.

I suspect for the moment our 111s as "wh" - so I will split them up as 1 -11 making 1=w and 11=h. (doing 11-1 would just swap,

could be neccessary for isolated 11)

Having told that, I play around. Here the link again, for all those of you who don't want to use pen and paper or program by yourself:

http://cryptoclub.org/tools/cracksub_topframe.php

Edit: http://home.comcast.net/~acabion/numb_pairs_extended.html (from harakeke) - This could also be useful to solve a substitution cipher. Enter a guessed word as crib and rotate it through.

I am again stuck with the assumtion above. But I realized how many possibilities there are to split numbers.

1118251011 alone could be 11-18-25-10-11; 1-11-8-25-10-11, 11-1-8-25-10-11,11-1-8-2-5-10-11, and so on. Brute force probably won't help us, so we need somebody with good intuition. 

First let's look, which numbers must stick together/stand alone and represent a letter.

1118-25-10-1112-7-124-9-15-12-10-10-1114-10-215-117-112-10-111217-13-

4-4-8-3-11-10-7-15-1425-4-14-3-4-10-9-16-14-9-14-9-3-4-121225-4-10-10-125- 

12-7-10-15-19-10-11123-4-125-5-115-25-1215-7-5-5-11123-4-10-1112-9-1512-10-6-15-3-4

• 10, because every 0 is preceded by a 1, so 0 alone does not exist.
• 3,4,5,6,7,8,9, because concatted with number before or after yields number larger than 25(26)
• - after 3-9 because doublet would be larger than 25(26)

So, lets go on with this...

Ok, it gets late - I will continue puzzeling tomorrow, as long as it is not solved until then. Good luck!!

I keep on working with Latin alphabet, the rest of the epigraphs is written in it (there are c's). Otherwise, the Diagram is not written in Alethi but in an invented language,which is more accurate (see T's interlude). To go there would render it unsolvable.

Combination 26 does not occur, diphtongs would be a problem with existing tools.

Thanks for counting the numbers!

This distribution hints to substituting doublets with letters. Using latin alphabet (I don't know Alethi)  we would get a "natural" table

1   2   3   4    5   6   7   8  9  10
 A  B  C   D   E   F  G   H   I   J

11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
 K  L   M   N  O   P  Q   R   S  T

21 22 23 24 25 26
 U  V   W   X  Y   Z

starting with 1 and ending with 26 or

0   1   2   3   4  5  6  7  8  9 
 A  B  C   D  E  F  G  H  I  J

10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19
 K  L   M  N   O  P   Q  R   S  T

20 21 22 23 24 25
 U  V   W  X   Y  Z

starting with 0 and ending with 25. These still can be permutated. But what you see is, that 1 should be abundant, since it appears with 12 letters (of 26), while the other numbers are much rarer. The fact that a 0 is always preceded by a 1 hints to a numbering from 1 to 26 and not from 0 to 25, although one cannot be sure about it. If we take the doublet 10 then, it appeares 12 times, which is not too often for an abundant letter like "e" or "t".

Then there are my favourites 111 - are they 1 11 or 11 1 or something else entirely (embedded in numbers)?

Another ambiguity: 25 for example can be "25" or "2" - "5"

Trying to keep all 10s, I try decomposition:

1 11 8 25 10 1 11 2 7 12 4 9 15 12 10 10 1 11 4 10 21 5 11 7 11 2 10 11 12 17 13

4 4 8 3 11 10 7 15 14 25 4 14 3 4 10 9 16 14 9 14 9 3 4 12 12 25 4 10 10 12 5

12 7 10 15 19 10 1 11 23 4 12 5 5 11 5 2 5 12 15 7 5 5 11 1 23 4 10 11 12 9 15

12 10 6 15 3 4

Mind, i split some numbers up arbitrarily - will have to puzzle a bit...I have found a nice tool (but still no result):

http://cryptoclub.org/tools/cracksub_topframe.php

Thanks for this nice compilation. I have copied the part concerning the diagram to

http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6398-wor-chapter-84-code/

for further use there

AhbuttheywereleftbehindItisobviousfromthenatureofthebondButwherewherewhereSetoffObviousRealizationlikeapricity

TheyarewiththeShinWemustfindoneCanwemaketouseaTruthlessCanwecraftaweapon

-          From the Diagram, Floorboard 17: paragraph 2, every second letter starting with the first

TherehastobeananswerWhatistheanswerStopTheParshendiOneofthemYestheyarethemissingpiecePushfortheAlethi

todestroythemoutrightbeforethisoneobtainstheirpowerItwillformabridge

-          From the Diagram, Floorboard 17: Paragraph 2, every second letter starting with the second

These lines would have been mingled in the Diagram like

AThhbeurtethhaesytwoebreealneafnts....looks very gibberish, but isn't.

Perhaps this has to be applied to decoded

11182510111271249151210101114102151171121011121713

44831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125

1271015191011123412551152512157551112341011129151

21061534

Well, I have found Compiled epigraphs. Thanks to Tarion. I paste them here, so we have all the stuff together:

They will come you cannot stop their oaths look for those who survive when they should not that pattern will be your clue

-          From the Diagram, Coda of the Northwest Bottom Corner: paragraph 3

One danger in deploying such a potent weapon will be the potential encouragement of those exploring the Nahel bond.  Care must be taken to avoid placing these subjects in situtions of powerful stress unless you accept consequences of their potential Investiture.

-          From the Diagram, Floorboard 27: paragraph 6

AhbuttheywereleftbehindItisobviousfromthenatureofthebondButwherewherewhereSetoffObviousRealizationlikeapricity

TheyarewiththeShinWemustfindoneCanwemaketouseaTruthlessCanwecraftaweapon

-          From the Diagram, Floorboard 17: paragraph 2, every second letter starting with the first

Q: For what essential must we strive? A: The essential of preservation, to shelter a seeds of humanity through the coming storm

Q: What cost must we bear?  A: The cost is irrelevant.  Mankind must survive.  Our burden is that of the species, and all other considerations are but dust by comparison.

-          From the Diagram, Catechism of the Back of the Flowered Painting: paragraph 1

You must become king.  Of Everything.

-          From the Diagram, Tenets of Instruction, Back of the Footboard: paragraph 1

The Unmade are a deviation, a flair, a conundrum that may not be worth your time.  You cannot help but think of them.  They are fascinating.  Many are mindless.  Like the spren of human emotions, only much more nasty.  I do believe a few can think, however.

-          From the Diagram, Book of the 2^nd Desk Drawer: paragraph 14

There is one you will watch.  Though all of them have some relevance to precognition, Moelach is one of the most powerful in this regard.  His touch seeps into a soul as it breaks apart from the body, creating manifestations powered by the spark of death itself.  But no, this is a distraction.  Deviation.  Kingship.  We must discuss the nature of kingship.

-          From the Diagram, Book of the 2^nd Desk Drawer: paragraph 15

Obviously they are fools The Desolation needs no usher It can and will sit where it wishes and the signs are obvious that the spren anticipate it doing so soon The Ancient of Stones must finally begin to crack It is a wonder that upon his will rested the prosperity and peace of a world for over four millennia

-          From the Diagram, Book of the 2^nd Ceiling Rotation: pattern 1

11182510111271249151210101114102151171121011121713

44831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125

1271015191011123412551152512157551112341011129151

21061534

-          From the Diagram, Book of the 2^nd Ceiling Rotation: pattern 15

But who is the wanderer, the wild piece, the one who makes no sense?  I glimpse at his implications, and the world opens to me.  I shy back.  Impossible.  Is it?

-          From the Diagram, West Wall Psalm of Wonders: paragraph 8

(Notew by Adrotagia: Could this refer to Mraize?)

One is most certainly a traitor to the others

-          From the Diagram, Book of the 2^nd Desk Drawer: paragraph 27

Chaos in Alethkar is, of course, inevitable.  Watch carefully, and do not let power in the kingdom solidify.  The Blackthorn could become an ally or our greatest foe, depending on whether he takes the path of the warlord or not.  If he seems likely to sue for peace, assassinate him expeditiously.  The risk of competition is too great.

-          From the Diagram, Writings upon the Bedstand Lamp: paragraph 4

(Adrotagia’s 3^rd translation from the original hieroglyphics)

1173090605         1173090801         1173090901         1173091001

1173091004         1173100105         1173100205         1173100401

1173100603         1173100804

-          From the Diagram, North Wall Coda, Windowsill region: paragraph 2

(This appears to be a sequence of dates, but their relevance is as yet unknown)

TherehastobeananswerWhatistheanswerStopTheParshendiOneofthemYestheyarethemissingpiecePushfortheAlethito

destroythemoutrightbeforethisoneobtainstheirpowerItwillformabridge

-          From the Diagram, Floorboard 17: Paragraph 2, every second letter starting with the second

It is from the diagram - written on Mr. T's day of brilliance. Which leaves us any possibility.

Ok, I've tried substitution quite a while now and got nothing. One problem is the non-unique way I splitted up the sequence

to numbers from 01 to 26. One could also take doublets and take the number modulo 26.

I try a statistical approach. I split up the sequence so, that numbers can be identified with a letter - that is numbers between 1 and 26, with

1 represented by 01 once. There I need some help, since English is not my mother tongue - i am not familiar with relative abundance of letters in an English text.

11 18 25 10 11 12 7 12 4 9 15 12 10 10 11 14 10 21 5 11 7 11 21 01 11 21 7 13

4 4 8 3 11 10 7 15 14 25 4 1 4 3 4 10 9 16 14 9 14 9 3 4 12 12 25 4 10 10 12 5 12 7

10 15 19 10 11 12 3 4 12 5 5 11 5 25 12 15 7 5 5 11 12 3 4 10 11 12 9 15 12 10 6 15 3 4

Obviouslytheyarefools (21)

TheDesolationneedsnousher(25)

Itcanandwillsitwhereitwishesandthesignsareobviousthatthesprenanticipateitdoingsosoon (84)

TheAncientofStonesmustfinallybegintocrack (41)

Itisawonderthatuponhiswillrestedtheprosperityandpeaceofaworldforoverfourmillennia (83) = 254 letters

taking them and the numbers from the code (154 digits) plus the ten given "dates" (another 100 digits) could bring something - i dont know what. Identifying would bring no further information, so that's probably a dead end.

dates:

1173090605  1173090801  1173090901  1173091001

1173091004  1173100105  1173100205  1173100401 

1173100603  1173100804

perhaps these dates can be used as a key

yeah, but the long 5th block confuses me...

11182510111271249151210101114102151171121011121713

44831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125127

10151910111234125511525121575511123410111291512106

1534

154 digits - if you want to build equal blocks - 154=2*7*11 lets look what happens

- nothing good

11182510111271249151210101114102151171121011121713

44831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125

1271015191011123412551152512157551112341011129151

21061534

is the actual code - there were one or two digits wrong. Nonetheless i cannot make any sense in this at the moment.

I have tried to sort it in date format like 1118251011 - and so on, but that gave nothing...

Edit: I made a summary, found in post Nr. 302

I collected the chapter headings of part 4, which seem to make an answering letter to the letter from Way of Kings.

So, what do you think of it? Who is right? Hoid oder Mr. X?

Nightblood. That could be an answer...