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On mobile so I don't feel like citing the sources atm But MB Era 2 takes place during or after the gap between SA 5 and 6. I suppose if odium manages to free himself in that time, he could be there, but its unlikely. Current frontrunner is for it to be Autonomy.

So far, not a huge difference

Odium is trapped in the Rosharan system. Other than him, any Shard that isn't Splintered and is sapient can move around whereever they want. Red is a sign of corrupted or co-opted investiture, not necessarily Odium.

I think Harmony is holding Trell back from the entire world. It wouldn't make sense to let it get a foothold anywhere on the planet.

I don't think Trell has enough presence on Scadrial to manifest a perpendicularity yet. I mean, we know that Harmony is keeping it back, so it might not be able to invest enough to do that yet.

Actually, it looks like Brandon isn't answering questions in books any more

But see: Just having a chunk of unsealed investiture doesn't mean you should be able to use it. The nicrosil not only contains investiture, but also somehow gives you the ability to use it, which it shouldn't. It makes you into a temporary feruchemist or allomancer. And it shouldn't. That's not how it works, as far as we have been told. So either there's something we're seriously misunderstanding about how investiture works, or there's something weird about how they make the medallions.

Umm where did I dispute that? I said that's not the reason for the Recreance. You may find it unrealistic, but I didn't. Agree to disagree, I just wanted to state how mental health works for many people, me included.

I get what you're saying though I largely disagree. I just want to mention one thing. Mental health is rarely a linear progression. There are a lot of false starts, regressions, tangential struggles, and so forth. There are often plateaus and setbacks, even when you generally manage to progress. Expecting characters to always make substantial improvements and stay there is unrealistic, and Brandon does too much research to be able to do that. Also, it wasn't humans are voidbringers. Read the passage again. It ws the real and distinct fear, promised by their god, that they would destroy Roshar, as they did Ashyn. Not liking the reason is fine, but make sure you get the reason right

It's actually .7 Earth gravity

Here, I'll pasted the quote in context. So Wax is wondering why Bleeder is wearing Bloody Tan's body. Wax had thought he'd seen Bloody Tan earlier. The corpse they're looking at is Father Bin. Larkspur in this instance is Bleeder impersonating a Pathian priest, and the one who killed Father Bin. It's unknown whether Larkspur has always been Bleeder, or if Bleeder is impersonating Larkspur to drive a wedge between the Pathians and Survivorists. Another thing to note: this section is Marasi's PoV. So Marasi is thinking "Wax's wife," not Wax.

Let's all take a breath and return to the topic at hand. I'm not arguing whether the reasons for the Recreance were plausible, or exciting or underwhelming or ridiculous or holier than a rusted island. Let's just take the text as given, and discuss the spren, instead.

I thought you decided your theory was dead?

All the surges are only a little bit different between Orders. So five would be fine.

That's fine, everyone feels differently, that's what makes things fun But I'm not trying to argue whether the Recreance was compelling or not, just that the spren were in on it.

What would be the point in an evacuation of millions of people, assuming they are willing to leave in the first place? The threat is from the surgebinders, not anything special on Roshar. If everyone left, the surgebinders would either follow or more would be created from spren bonds. And I already explained why they had to break their oaths that way. To shock and anger and horrify the spren enough so they wouldn't seek to bond. Otherwise, its likely some would still seek to bond, especially once the current generation of Knights died out and Honor finally died. Without their God telling them these things, the tales would become just stories. I doubt Honor was coherent enough for them to get him to tell every Radiant spren in existence. And further generations would just have stories. They probably realized it was an all or nothing deal. If just a few people survived and revealed that the spren died willingly, it would drastically lessen the impact. Its also possible that the spren swore themselves to secrecy, either before or after the plan was hashed out. Spren can't break oaths, so they wouldn't have been able to tell, even if they wanted to (which I don't think they did).

Insisting on accuracy and plausibility is not stifling creativity. It's like saying Brandon insisting on having hard rules in his writing is stifling his creativity. It clearly isn't there, and it isn't here.

Sometimes, Brandon just needs more sleep.

Also, Peter said we had seen Chana in the first two books, so "if you don't include the Herald, you haven't seen all Orders" wouldn't apply to Dustbringers in any case.

Again, their God and possibly their Heralds were promising that they would destroy the planet, like they did their previous one. What do you think people would do if Jesus Christ himself appeared and said CRISPR will destroy the world and all life on it. This is what the Stormfather says on the matter (only pasted the relevant parts, nothing snipped that would matter to context). Emphasis mine. So. While Knights aren't necessarily all perfect and moral and good, they would tend to be because of the nature of the Oaths and Truths. The spren are definitely self-sacrificing. They learn (again) that they invaded their current world and were fighting with the "rightful" owners. They lobotomize an entire race. They destroy the Shattered Plains. Their god told them that they had wrecked their previous world and WILL destroy this one. They have empirical proof that they could, in fact, do that. That means all their friends, family, loved ones, will die. Both human and spren. So they're all sitting there shocked at the things they've done already, staring at each other in stark dread, going "What can we do?" and getting scared because there's no good choice. One of those incredibly charged moments where the fate of the world hangs in the balance. Then, maybe, a voice says, "You must give up your Shards and break your Oaths, to save the world. And you must do it in such a way so that no spren will be willing to bond ever again." Nalan'Elin, Herald of Justice, steps to the front of the room and meets each of your eyes in turn. He stands tall, unbending, almost glowing, as he states this Truth. What do you do?

So at the time that WoB was written, we had not had a Shalash viewpoint. So Brandon saying a future PoV will be a Dustbringer could apply to anyone that hasn't had a PoV yet, including Shalash/Ash. You said So a Dustbringer is eventually a PoV character would apply to Shalash. We don't need to worry about "a PoV is eventually a Dustbringer" because we hadn't had a PoV from Shalash yet, so the first part still applies to her.

There wasn't any qualification.

I'm not actually speculating on the reason for the Recreance, just that the spren had to have agreed with what their bondmates decided. But some tangential answers... 1. Honor was dying. He was stating as fact that surgebinders would destroy Roshar as they did Ashyn. Nale and Ishar believed that without Honor, surgebinders were too dangerous to resist. So taking advantage of Honor's ravings, they used their influence to convince the Knights that they were a danger to the world. Spren don't see death the way we do. Pattern and Syl had no problems with being "dead" for a while. Pattern is completely nonchalant and expecting Shallan to kill him. The cultivationspren that helps the team in Shadesmar was willing to lie and cover for them to get away. As far as we've seen, they are quite self-sacrificing. So if it's a choice between them dying and the entire world, and all the spren and creatures and people on it dying, it's pretty obvious what they would choose. The Skybreakers believed Oaths and Laws and Promises took precedence over any independent "right or wrong" mentality. So their spren would be the least likely to agree, and the Skybreakers themselves would be very unlikely to agree. They might also have pretended to agree, but instead went their own way. 2. The Recreance happened all at once because they needed the maximum shock factor in order to horrify the spren enough that they would not want to bond again. What's more horrifying? A few dying every few days or weeks or months? Or thousands all at once? 3. Since the spren agreed that surgebinders had to end, they had to do something so diametrically opposed to their Oaths that it would break their Oaths anyway. What better way than to drop their Shards near the front line of a warzone where they knew people would be, knowing that those people would lust for, claim, and wreak havoc, with the bodies of their friends? We've only seen the beginning of the powers that the Radiants have. And already a few of them have done things that should be impossible. Abrasion...can it increase friction as well as reduce it? Can it increase, say, the friction of a rockslide so that the rocks, pulled inevitably downward anyway, strike flames and cause a huge fire? Could they reduce the friction of the air around an ocean wave and cause a tsunami? Could they grow plants so quickly that their roots and branches crack and break stone and cement? Could they work in combination with other surgebinders to do even crazier things? Bondsmiths literally bond with the most powerful spren in the world. Dalinar can create perpendicularities. He can supercharge surgebinders so that usually extremely difficult things can be done easily. A group of Edgedancers or Lightweavers could vaporize an entire city. I'm almost positive Lightweavers or Dustbringers are responsible for the Shattered Plains. Given that the Plains seemed to have been shattered shortly before the Recreance, that's a prime example of what surgebinders unchecked could do. Brandon has said that of the 3, the most dangerous would be Dalinar, followed by Shallan, with Kaladin coming in third. Lots of bad things could be done with Radiant orders or combinations of Radiant orders.