Haelbarde
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Kas would be slightly secondary to it, than an integral part. Also, I wouldn't expect that you'd have both Meta and Kas on the eliminator team - if you did, I'd then expect 2-3 newer players to fill it out, rather than mid level characters. Re: Winter -yeah not sure. I feel like if I were in her position, I'd be willing to offer myself up if it placed an experienced eliminator in the center of all the information traffic. It just struck me as odd she'd reveal herself to be a Cultist when my impression of the mood was that more people were distrustful of Meta and willing to defend Winter.
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First off, thank you for calling me out Wrym - I'll be first to admit (and in fact was) that I've been playing poorly this game. As bad as it makes me feel that I'm flying at the level that eliminators might like to be, I've not managed to change that, which annoys me. You're quite right - I've posted nothing of substance for the last half of the game (only thing I did was call out Mckeedee at one point), even though I've been saying for just as long that I've been planing to post suspicions. But the last two big posts from you and Wilson, along with you calling me out sparked off some thoughts, so I'll post my suspicions now. Forewarning - the people I have under 'People I Trust' (EDIT - left this sentence hanging) I don't necessarily trust completely, as you'll see. People I Trust Wonko I would say I trust Wonko. The intel he posted in thread was accurate when he was around, and Wilson seems to trust him based on her interactions with him via PM. If it's relevant, he PM'd me at the end of Day 2 (if you remember, he had not used his Seon with only an hour or so to go in the Day, and I happened to be online at the time). I decided to tell him my role/alignment and told him that I had had a Vial of Poison, but that I had just passed it on to Kas. In return for my openness, he told me who he contacted on Day 1 and Night 1. Regarding that, do people remember if he told everyone who he'd contacted so far? I can post who, if people think that's a good idea. Kas More just a gut feeling - what he had to say made sense. He's been confirmed by Meta which helps. Claims to be the Dula, which is definitely possible, but I'll actually check that this cycle (so Kasimir, for the purposes of testing Dulaness - got distracted by the Winter bandwagon and the poetry last time). Wilson I had decided that I trusted her earlier in the game, but she got confirmed by Phattemer, who we now know for certain was a priest. So we at least know that she's not the Gyorn. Phattemer also cleared Renegade and Neo, so I guess I trust them too. Meta So he's claimed priest, and accused Winter, who turned out to be a Jeskeri. We obviously haven't confirmed he's a priest. I feel like he probably is, but I do have a voice in my head telling me to not trust him entirely. More on that later. He says he's confirmed Kas, and Twei (which I just want to check: Twei = TwelthRootOfTwo?). As I mostly trust Kas, that helps make me agree that Meta could be legit. I've not got anything on Twei though, but I trust Twei irrespective of whether or not I trust Meta. More on that later. So list of people that I trust (mostly) in descending order of trust: Wilson, Renegade, Neo, Twei, Wonko, Kas, Meta People I Don't Trust Bort Main reason comes from the fact he voted for Phattemer last vote. The prevailing view on Phattemer had been he was a legit priest. While obviously we don't know the whole story, I don't see a villager voting for someone who's got a high likelihood of being a priest. Alvron He's not posted very much, though usually once a cycle. He's also not said a whole lot when he has posted, primarily being thoughts about the Gyorn. It wouldn't surprise me if Alvron was Gyorn, a pirate, or a lover with someone of a different faction. Clanky Again, he's been relatively active, but not posted anything much of substance. He's called out a few people and given some suspicions. Where he to be an Cultist, I think his posts would be quite useful in indentifying people he was hoping to cast suspicion on. He's also one of the only people to call me out of as being suspicious up till now. It's mostly gut feeling which throws him on my 'Don't Trust' list as opposed to my 'Not Sure' list. It is possible the events of QF7 are flavoring my views. People I'm Not Sure Of Mckeedee Not been super active, but his response to my calling him out has satisfied me for the time being. {I will get back to this later. Want to get onto the scenario I thought up, and the not sure's are as relevant necessarily. I do plan to finish writing stuff up though. Please call me out on it if I don't.} Now, I know I did say earlier that I mostly think Meta is telling the truth, but what I found in QF7 is that while The Only Joe didn't seem to being anything wrong, I came up with a compelling plan which an eliminator in Joe's shoes could pull off. I was suspicious of Joe primarily due to him having opportunity to be really evil. I believe in the spectator doc, Wilson had a ton of analysis which would have pointed to him being Lawman a lot earlier, but I'm still learning the strategies people use in analysis. Point is, I'd sorta dismissed my suspicions regarding Meta because I couldn't dream up a compelling plan which he could be working towards. I've since had a few ideas, which I might just put here. What was weird about the voting last cycle was Winter giving up. I had put my vote on Kas early, but when Meta picked up a few votes, even after he outed himself as a priest, I was close to shifting my vote to Meta over Winter. My impression is that others shared that sentiment - Meta was more suspicious at the time than Winter was. Had I been in Winter's shoes, I'd have worked to encourage the vote to go through with Meta. I'd have tried anyway. Because if you managed to succeed, you've managed to take out a Priest, which is awesome if you're an eliminator. Sure, everyone would then know that Winter is an eliminator and killed her next round, but she'd have lasted longer and taken out a priest. But instead, she decides to preemptively seal her fate, drawing everyone's votes to her. Which begs the question, why? To my mind, at least, I think 'What if she was covering for Meta?' If I were an eliminator, and the circumstances allowed me to successfully shift any suspicion off a fellow, but more experienced, eliminator, would I? Definitely. I would view Meta as a way more valuable member of the team than myself, and the particular circumstances have the added benefit of portraying Meta as a priest. Of course, the next question is then, 'Why would Meta even single out Winter in the first place, if they were both Eliminators'. It would mean that this would have to be a choreographed before hand, and it's a ploy (though a dangerous one) to encourage a 'Follow the cop' situation, where the 'cop' is an eliminator. Is this the type of thing Meta would do? Dunno. You guys would know better than I. But then, you say, 'Meta got poisoned by the Cultists to roleblock him.' Sure, if he was a priest, that would be the logical thing to do if you were eliminators. And in some ways, it supports the motion that Meta is indeed a priest. Or it could be the next part of a Cultist plan to place Meta squarely in center of the Citizen team. So what happens when an cultist pretends to be a priest? Well now they have to 'scan' people, and while they might be able to keep the charade up for awhile, it's not going to work forever. They would know who the eliminators are, and they verify their 'scan' by throwing one of their members under the bus - which if that member wanted to stop playing the game, would be a nice way of leaving the game. They had to have 'scanned' other players by this point as well, and then they're given the choice - do they pick a fellow eliminator, or two players definitely citizens? In QF7, Joe chose two villagers, presumably thinking something along the lines of 'these two people likely trust each other to be villagers, so if I say I trust them, and they trust each other, then they'll probably trust me.' In this game we have Meta saying he trusts Twei and Kas. Gut feeling in this situation would be that Kas could be a fellow eliminator (got some more thoughts for another time - I'll wait and see if we can verify Kas as Dula or not), but I think I'd trust Twei in this situation. Dunno. Anyway, moving on. Back to the whole scanning problem. Sure, the eliminator knows who's good and who's not, but they don't know roles (unless people have unsafe Seon practices, or I guess publicly reveal their role). So you know what would suit you just fine? Sticking your evil!priest somewhere where they can justifiably not use their 'ability' very well for two cycles. It's also convenient from the standpoint that it makes it look like the eliminators believe he is a priest. In the 'Kas' isn't trustworthy scenario, it's interesting that he's Meta's spokesman for this turn. GM Question: When do scans happen in relation to poison - would a scan fail if they were poisoned the same cycle, or would it go through before getting sent to Elantris? Because if it's the latter, then it's suspicious we've not heard about the results of Meta's scan. So, there's that. Probably not the worded the clearest, and possibly a bit far fetched/unlikely/stupid. But they are my thoughts. It's a bit cheap posting it now, when Meta can't really respond directly, so I feel a little bad about that. Also immense apologies if this, for some reason, causes our last remaining priest to get lynched. EDIT: Great... I miss all the posts while writing this out....
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So that clears anyone that Phattemer had cleared (enough people have communicated with Elantris, I think, to have been able to verify information that was incorrectly relayed). So that means Renegade, Wilson, and Neo can all be trusted. I wasn't 100% about Meta (still thought that he could be playing a dangerous game and was a coconspirator with Winter. Still not impossible I guess), but I do feel like Meta being taken by the Shaod was the Cultists roleblocking him, and stifling his ability to talk. So Meta, you now get my vote of confidence towards being priest (for what it's worth).
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Game Quicklinks Signups Day 1 - Fel/Mek Lynched. Night 1 - Orlok Killed, Zas converted. Day 2 - Spencer Lynched. Night 2 - Cultist and Gyorn targets protected by pendants. Phattemer allegedly Cultist target. Day 3 - Mailliw73 Lynched. Night 3 - Bort was poisoned, someone else saved from Cultists. Day 4 - Winter discovered to be a Cultist and Lynched. Wyrmhero and Emerald join the game. Night 4 - Phattemer killed, Meta probably poisoned. Day 5 Do people think it's likely safe to assume that Meta was poisoned? It seems awfully convenient that Meta, of all people, should get hit by the Shaod this cycle. GM question - If a player with a Seon is poisoned, what is the effect on their Seon?
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Ah, right. So the current iteration came to be in May 2009, but there was the old forum before it. When did that start?
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Was just having a look back through Winter's posts (I finally worked out how to wrangle the forum search to go through all of a users post), and noticing her get annoyed at the Feligon bandwagon on the first night reminded me we've not seen Mckeedee since Night 3, yet he's been active elsewhere on the forum (for example, in Question 12). Just want to put that out there before I jump back into digging through the backlog of the game. "Your Excellence, Her Majesty, Lady Kiireon the Great, may I present to you this banner Honoring your name." Edrab pulled aside the cover of his handiwork. "I will gladly carry this where ever I roam, proclaiming the wonders of your name."
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So does that then make it the MBI's 6th birthday in 4 days? I feel like I'm going to need more banners...
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I appologize for not contributing a whole lot the last week - last week of university for the semester. Now it's just exams :/ That, and I got distracted failing at writing poems at Kas... I still need to tie up the loose end that is reparations for mispronouncing Wilson's character's name, but I'll try and you know, actually analyse stuff. Re: links. Ultimately, I put them there mostly for personal use - do people even use them?
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Game Quicklinks Signups Day 1 - Fel/Mek Lynched. Night 1 - Orlok Killed, Zas converted. Day 2 - Spencer Lynched. Night 2 - Cultist and Gyorn targets protected by pendants. Phattemer allegedly Cultist target. Day 3 - Mailliw73 Lynched. Night 3 - Bort was poisoned, someone else saved from Cultists. Day 4 - Winter discovered to be a Cultist and Lynched. Wyrmhero and Emerald join the game. Night 4 Well, seems Phattemer managed to survive the day with only minor scrapes. Is Bort then Hoed till he returns?
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"If I may trouble Her Awesomeness with one last question, does The Great Kiireon have a favored honorific?" (will get back to actually playing here on in)
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It was a delicate situation, and so Edrab wasn't entirely sure how to proceed. "I'm not sure I could do the poetry justice, not if I tried to do twice as much. As it stands, it surprises me that any could bear listen to it in it's current form. But I happen to be an author of note. My current work will be inspired by the events we now find ourselves part of. Your hero deeds will be immortalized, but methinks that is not honor enough. Rather, I think I shall also dedicate the tome to your breathtakingness. And as we travel from this place, all will hear of the good Queen Kiireon and her vital role in these most terrible of days.Re: Sydney. My sister (whose been watching some of these games) was reminded of one of the web comics she reads called grrl power, I think. Anyway, she has a notebook in which keeps her friend and for lists, and the manner in which she takes these notes is super humanly intimidating.
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Wilson, you never seem to respond to my questions. I mean sure, they're not pertinent to the survival of the City, but poor Edrab is most terribly worried that he has offended the oh most benevolent Lady Kiireon, and seeks to make reparations, but does not know what he should do!
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I hear Ren might have something to do with it. -
Greetings Wyrm o/
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Vote Count: (Kas Notation) Kasimir{0}: Hael<1><3> Winter{11}: Meta, Kipper, Winter<1>, Wilson<2>, Lightsworn, Seonid<2>, Araris, Haelbarde<4>, dowanx, twelfth<2>, honey Meta{1}: Kas<1>, Twelfth<1>, Wilson<1>, Seonid<1>, Emerald Phattemer{1}: Winter<2> ------------------ Removed Vote: Hael<2> Kas<2> Vote Count: (Standard Notation) Winter{11}: Meta, Kipper, Wilson, Lightsworn, Seonid, Araris, Haelbarde, Dowanx, Twelfth, Honey Meta{1}: Emerald Phattemer{1}: Winter Winter, I think you'd need more than one Seon to buy everyone off. I'm not even sure if there's Seon's enough to by all the votes off.
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The sun was setting when the court decided to vote. One by one, votes were put forward. While a number abstained from voting, and while some voted in secret, still the majority made a vote. The votes were carefully counted (though bribes and royal commands caused some to be changed). The chief magistrate came to the podium. "The votes have been tallied, and the fate of one of us has been sealed." Guards swiftly took Mailliw, who had garnered almost half of the votes. As he was dragged away, using his last words to attempt to help the other Citizens. "Kipper's a Keeper of the Secret Tunnels," he called. "Honey's a benevolent pirate. Mushroom didn't say anything." The last bit didn't make total sense, but the rest was clear enough. Kipper came forward, grumbling about his occupation being revealed but still corroborated Mailliw's plan. After he was executed, there were no signs of any misdeeds on Mailliw's body. He hadn't been a Cultist like the whole room had suspected. The rest of the results of the lynch were then pinned to the door. Everyone clambered around, particularly Haelbarde, trying to ascertain what had happened. One thing stood out as decidedly odd. The whole room had heard Kipper publicly, and repeatedly, accuse Kas of being the enemy. But his vote had been disqualified! Haelbarde interrogated Kipper. "You're a Keeper. You know secrets. You could have hidden your vote. Did you truly vote for Kas?" Kipper protested that he was innocent, that he'd not made any unfair use of his position as Keeper of the Secret Tunnels. Willing, for the time, to believe Kipper's innocence, this left but two very similar options. Kas could be the Dula, being so charismatic as to having votes removed from him as everyone loved him just so much, or Kipper and Kas could be in love, and Tulir (the magistrate) knew to stop anything from happening. Kas refused to give a straight answer, choosing instead to speak the beautiful poetry for Kipper, but Kipper did not reciprocate. But when Haelbarde decided to cast suspicion on Kas, to find out the truth behind the matter, Kasimir turned to him, withdrawing his gift of poetry from Kipper, instead conveying it to Haelbarde. So taken was he by the poetry, that Haelbarde was powerless to resist, and begun to speak back to Kas in words of rhyme. And so that was the story of how but a single vote caused the poets tongues to speak. Aaaaaaaaa. Your Excellence, please for give your humble servant, for he does not have a good memory for names, not with everyone have so many. He does not any longer wish to be on any lists, and such a grievous error as to mispronounce the name of whom he seeks to delight is nigh unforgivable. In what form would reparations be acceptable. Perhaps he could compose poetry for Her Amazingness?
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For making me think of Fringe when ever I see your name.
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Vote Count: (Kas Notation) Kasimir{0}: Hael<1><3> Winter{8}: Meta, Kipper, Winter<1>, Wilson<2>, Lightsworn, Seonid<2>, Araris, Haelbarde<4> Meta{2}: Kas<1>, Twelfth, Wilson<1>, Seonid<1>, Emerald Phattemer{1}: Winter<2> ------------------ Removed Vote: Hael<2> Kas<2> Vote Count: (Standard Notation) Winter{8}: Meta, Kipper, Wilson, Lightsworn, Seonid, Araris Haelbarde Meta{2}: Twelfth, Emerald Phattemer{1}: Winter To be extra clear, I've removed my vote from Kas, and placed it on Winter. I've also accounted for the presence of Her Royal Highness, Lady Kiieron.
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Just thought I'd say, in case anyone's uses them, I finally edited the link to night 3 in the second post of this topic. Also, I plan to post those contents things at the start of each cycle if I can manage it.
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The Coppermind's Birthday Extravagapalooza!
Haelbarde commented on Chaos's article in Brandon and Book News
I'm presuming you entered it in plain text mode (as in lightswitch off)? It seems to work for me, so I'm not sure. Try: [center][url="http://coppermind.net/"][img="http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af5/Haelbarde/17thShard/CoppermindBanner.png"][/url][/center] Otherwise, you should just be able to copy the image url out, and create the link/image yourself. -
Oh, one more question about that. Are these lists of yours anything like Sydney Scoville's List? For a particular someone EDIT: GM Question: Would we be told if a person who was in Elantris due to poison was taken by the Shaod? Or would they just never leave?
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The Coppermind's Birthday Extravagapalooza!
Haelbarde commented on Chaos's article in Brandon and Book News
I made a sig banner to help promote it: [center][url=http://coppermind.net/][img=http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af5/Haelbarde/17thShard/CoppermindBanner.png][/url][/center] -
Rate the Signature Above You!!
Haelbarde replied to Silverblade5's topic in Forum Games & Random Stuff
7/10 for a poem which seems relevant to your username but is a bit deep for me. -
Well, Kas, if I remove my vote, they'll never know, will they. EDIT: (And as fun as it would be to attempt to troll everyone with that, I still want to actually vote for you, just to make sure. So, Kas)
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I was sorting expecting to just wait for the vote tally to come in at the start of Night 4. And I might keep it there (unless, for some reason, votes get piled on you), just to make sure, if you don't mind. But presuming it's true, I feel it sorta soft confirms you. While not technically a safe role, it would feel unbalanced if it were given to a Cultist, and I wouldn't think the Gyorn would be able to also be Dula. Hope you don't mind.
