Terra of Roshar

Shardplate

Jasnah and Wit interacting

Jasnah's scene from the cover

Syl+Pattern+Shallan+Kaladin convo

More Renarin

Shallan figuring out how to deal with things without developing Dissociative Identity Disorder

Shallan's reunion with her brothers

Dalinar flashbacks about his wife and the Nightwatcher

Literally anything with any of the Heralds

Kaladin and Adolin being friends

Someone getting to Kholinar and figuring out what the hell is going on there

Lift meeting the main crew

Stone Shamans

wow this is too long a list

I think "All the gates were locked on both sides by the KR as part of the Recreance but they didn't bother with the Shattered Plains one because it'd been unused for 2000 years" is the most likely. Jasnah either had reason to believe the KR locked the gates deliberately and knew the shattering timeline and therefore guessed that the Shattered Plains gate was unlocked, or had tried literally every other gate (except maybe the Aimian one) and was just hoping it'd work eventually.

I spent most of these chapters cackling maniacally, because there was just a new awesome thing every few paragraphs. Kaladin criticizing the soldiers' form and them telling Roshone that yeah... they're not messing with this guy. Summoning syl. Spren genders. Kaladin learning to delegate (albeit at Bladepoint). Him CASUALLY FLYING AND PROCLAIMING HIMSELF A RADIANT. And then Shallan... She's been quiet for the last few chapters for exactly the reason I had assumed, poor girl. She calls Kaladin "Brooding Eyes." And she draws surrealism, omg. And that scout wanting her to be a feminist icon. Maybe once Jasnah gets back she'll be happier, given the cover. Unless, of course, Jasnah and Kaladin are gonna be stuck in Alethkar all book. Hopefully there's enough stormlight to get the Kholinar Oathgate open soon. I'm eager to see what's up with Renarin, he clearly knows things, and Dalinar pulling on other Radiants will be interesting. I'm guessing that's his Bondsmith special, like extra squires is for Windrunners. And Adolin being in charge of investigating the murder he committed... He has a terrible poker face and I suspect more people than Shallan and Renarin will notice soon. My immediate thought was that the Ghostbloods were behind the copycat murders, but I saw Ialai mentioned above and she would make sense, too.Oh, and I REALLY hope they get the Azish Gate open soon and meet Lift

The Radiants couldn't have Shattered the Plains as part of the Recreance, they were broken during Aharietiam: 

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"The Shattered Plains haven't always been shattered," Shallan whispered to herself. "That's what the scholars, all but Jasnah, are missing. Stormseat was destroyed during the Last Desolation, but it was so long ago, nobody talks about how. Fire? Earthquake? No. Something more terrible. The city was broken, like a piece of fine dinnerware hit with a hammer."

(WoR hardcover p 737)

I can't choose a favorite character, that's like a 15-way tie. Favorite scene, though, would probably be the big duel in WoR, though I also LOVE Dalinar giving up the sword for the bridgemen, everything with Shallan and Kaladin in the chasms, Shallan killing Tyn, the bridge charge at the end of WoK, both Wit POVs... actually favorite scene is looking like a many-way tie too... just too many good things in Stormlight to choose from lol.

No wider implications like the rest of the stuff on here, but I'm like 90% sure that this bit from the first chapter is referencing Lift getting her first period, which I hadn't noticed before. 

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"Is this about what happened to you?" Wyndle asked. "I don't know a lot about humans, but I believe it was natural, disconcerting though it might appear. You aren't wounded."

Not really sure what else that could be referencing, and it's immediately followed by Lift being upset that she's changing, so....

Is that all? That seems kind of uncertain for the amount that people assume that it's true... idk maybe I have too high a standard for proof.

I've seen a lot of people saying that Honor was shattered after the Recreance, but is there any evidence for this besides that Dalinar sees it in one of the visions?

I'm gonna have to go Stormlight. The sheer number of puzzle pieces and greater cosmere implications puts it ahead. More theory material! It's super close, though, I love Vin and Kelsier and Elend and everyone

When your ten year old brother asks what a lashing is (in the context of historical punishments), and your first thought is to say (WOR spoilers)

and restrain yourself not by remembering that that wasn't the definition he was looking for OR that he hasn't read the books, but by the fact that you should say Szeth instead to avoid spoilers.

When you laugh maniacally while playing Minecraft because villagers use emeralds for currency.

It seems that they discovered something that made them abandon their oaths. I suspect that they discovered the betrayal of the Heralds, and just said "storm this!" in unison. If the Heralds betrayed them, there's no reason to keep going. The Stonewards would have continued, because Taln stuck to the Oathpact.

Yeah, except that it was stated that the Recreance vision was of Windrunners and Stonewards, so I'm pretty sure neither of them was the order that stayed. Pattern's comments about all the old Cryptics dying imply that it wasn't the Lightweavers. Other than that, I have no real idea, though the presence of a group calling themselves the Skybreakers in modern Roshar is suggestive. 

More on topic, could it be that the way the KR broke their bonds was by giving up their Shards? It seems kind of circular, but assuming that they could order the spren to stay as Blades in the ground and keep their Shardplate there once it was off, and they left them there in front of a crowd of soldiers who were likely to take them and use them for less-than-honorable purposes, that would probably break the "life before death strength before weakness," part of the First Ideal, not to mention the Windrunners' "I will protect those who cannot protect themselves," and possibly other, currently unknown oaths.

Oh I love the Rhysadium talk! Rhysaduim are awesome and I was very sad by Sureblood's death

 

We indeed have proofs that Rhysadium were the only horses back in the time and that only Radiants had them. The regular folk had to use their own feet. Regular horses came after. Now, we could question ourselves how it is that a youth like Adolin got a Rhysadium... All the other Rhysadium owners are much older, seasoned warriors (or so I gathered). I also recalled Sadeas being frustrated over the fact a mop-haired kid like Adolin was a full shardbearer and had a Rhysadium whereas a grown man did not.

 

Adolin always was sort of a special case. There are not many full sharbearers in the camp and most young men bearing the full set are in fact wearing their father's or their highlord's shards. Not Adolin. He actually owns his set. And he has a Rhysadium.

 

I dunno if bonding a Rhysadium is like bonding a spren, but we see Sureblood react to Adolin's emotions. Also, when Sureblood blood died, there was this scream in Adolin's helmet (probably him screaming his mind out as the bond was severed) which was not so much unlike Syl's scream as Kal broke the bond. Just food for some thoughts.

 

FIY, I would LOVE to see Kal riding a Rhysadium chull! That would be awesome as Kal is nearly incompetent on a horse back. That chapter were Kal looks at the horses as if they were beasts straight from hell was hilarious.

He was posting after like an hour. As someone who has ridden since I was seven and remember how long it took me to pick things up, I am duly impressed with his progress. Sure, he's not a master rider, but he was described as better than pretty much all of the bridgemen but Moash, so I think he'd be perfectly capable on a Rhyshadium after a little more practice.

I do agree with what you're saying about a Rhyshadium's bond with its rider being somewhat like a Nahel bond, although I think it's probably weaker.

When your little brother sings "Everything is Awesome" from the LEGO Movie, and you're not even annoyed because you're too busy thinking about Lift.

When you were listening to all the old writing excuses episodes and Brandon mentioned having a character who's a surgeon and you missed the next two minutes because of the Kaladin highlight reel playing in your head.

When you ranted for several minutes about pronunciation of cosmere names to someone who has never read any of Brandon's books and rather than feeling embarrassed or awkward about that, apologized for not being able to lend them Mistborn or WoK because you've already lent them to other people.

When you spend every walk to or from class wishing you were a Coinshot.

When your computer has all of the KR orders added to its dictionary.

This ship is now called "Awesome Ridiculous".

This is a ridiculously awesome idea.

At their very best/ideal, the Radiants have a purpose. But not every single action they take has to be directed towards that purpose. For me, Shallan at her very best inspires people to be better than they are, and in doing so, transforms them. Look at the effect she had on her brothers over the years. And that's the key to what the Lightweavers, as Radiants, do.

 

[Of course, Shallan is just one Lightweaver, and this picture may change when we see more of them.]

This fits in very well with what Words of Radiance (the in-world book) has to say about Lightweavers:

Yet, were the orders not disheartened by so great a defeat, for the Lightweavers provided great spiritual sustenance; they were enticed by those glorious creations to venture on a second assault.

              -- From Words of Radiance, chapter 21, page 10

 

(WoR p. 547)

The pre-Recreance Lightweavers also seemingly used their powers to inspire others to better themselves.

I'm pretty sure as they're red, that those are Stormspren instead of the comet spren. No evidence or anything to back it up, just seems a more fitting description... 

The stormspren were always described as looking like red lightning, though, not meteors/comets. I suppose the spren Kaladin sees could be some other type of voidspren, but if so, I find it a little strange that they're shaped so similarly to the cometspren.

Okay, I was going to start a thread about the comet spren as Willshaper-spren, but posting here works just as well. 

We have WOB that the cometspren are related to the KR:

Q:  Do we see the highspren at all in Words of Radiance? And if so, do they look like a comet?
A:  That's a good question. That's a gooood, good question. I will say this, the comet, hmm, the comet spren. The comet spren is very important to an order of Knights Radiant.

(from this thread, the 7th post)

We see one of them several times in Eshonai's viewpoints after she gains stormform.

 

Eshonai waved her hand as she climbed the central spire of Narak, trying to shoo away the tiny spren. It danced around her head, shedding rings of light from its cometlike form. Horrid thing. Why would it not leave her alone?

(WoR p. 711)

 

She shook her head, and found that she had reflexively put her hand to her chest in anxiety. When she opened it, the cometlike spren shot out.

(WoR p. 711-712)

Interestingly, this second one is immediately after she first hears screaming when attuning the Rhythm of Peace. Also, she thinks of it as "horrid," which, given that she's being controlled by some Odious force, seems to imply that this is a good spren. 

The logical conclusion from this is that the cometspren is a Nahel-bonding spren, one from an order we haven't seen yet. We've seen the spren for Windrunners, Edgedancers, Truthwatchers (Ym's interlude), Lightweavers, Elsecallers, and Bondsmiths. We have WoB that implies that each book will be focused on an order of KR, thus far the order of its focus character:

Q:  Are the rest of the books in the Stormlight Archive going to be different colors?
A:  They are, and you can actually match the color to the order of the Knights Radiant.  That's the Windrunners[WoK], that's the symbol of the Windrunners, that's the color. That's the Lightweavers[WoR], and that's the symbol of the Lightweavers, which is the same, and the color. 

(From the 14th post on this thread. Also, I thought the WOB was more concrete than this, so if there's a better one that I couldn't find, please let me know!)

The characters confirmed to have their own books are Szeth, Eshonai, Dalinar, Renarin, Jasnah, Taln, and Lift, leaving us one open spot. (Apologies for the long list of quotes, but I wanted to be sure to have all the proper WOBs )

Q:  Is Jasnah's book going to be one of the backstories?
A:  It is. She's on the back five.  

 

(same thread, 3rd post)

Q:  Is the second half of the series based off of some of these interlude characters?
A:  Some of the interlude characters, yes.  And some that aren't interlude characters.  For example, Renarin is going to be one of the back five.

 

(once again, the 14th post of the WOB thread)

Q:  Do you know the order of 6-10?
A:  I know whose they are but I haven't decided the order.  Lift is one, Taln is one.  The person who calls himself Taln.

 

(11th post of the WOB thread)

Q:  Are we going to find out in here, why Szeth and what the Truthless are all about?
A:  That, you will have to wait for his flashback sequences in a future book.  Each character gets a set of flashback sequences.  I'm not going to promise that the characters live to the book where their flashback sequences are.  You might have a character die and then get their flashbacks the next book to get more information on them.  This will be Shallan's flashback, then the next book will be Szeth's flashback, then Eshonai, then Dalinar.

(OP of the same thread)

Okay, so of those, we know Szeth is going to be related to the Skybreakers, so it's unlikely that Eshonai would have a highspren following her around, since that order will be taken care of in someone else's book. Taln will presumably represent the Stonewards. That leaves the Willshapers and the Dustbringers as the two orders without a representative. 

While Eshonai could fit with either brave/obedient for the Dustbringers or resolute/builder for the Willshapers, I think the description of the Willshapers in Words of Radiance fits well with her title of "Explorer" on the back cover. 

And now, if there was an uncut gem among the Radiants, it was the Willshapers; for though enterprising, they were erratic, and Invia wrote of them, “capricious, frustrating, unreliable,” as taking it for granted that others would agree; this may have been an intolerant view, as ofter Invia expressed, for this order was said to be most varied, inconsistent in temperament save for a general love of adventure, novelty, or oddity.

               -- From Words of Radiance, chapter 7, page 1

(WoR p. 582, emphasis mine)

In addition to this, there's also the one time that the cometspren appear outside of an Eshonai viewpoint:

 

Kaladin was sure he heard terrible screams over the winds, as red spren he'd never seen before-- like small meteors, trailing light behind them-- zipped around him.

(WoR p. 1039)

This is from right after Shallan activates the Oathgate and teleports the entire army to Urithiru. The Oathgates are fabrials which imitate the Surge of Transportation. And Willshapers are one of the orders with access to the Transportation Surge. While the spren that Kaladin sees may not be Nahel bonding spren themselves, I believe they are at least related to them in the way that windspren are related to honorspren, and the one following Eshonai is probably an actual KR spren.

Sorry this got so long, I rambled and probably quoted more WOBs than necessary, but I wanted to be thorough.

When you've read WoR four times already and have both the KR chart and the Ars Arcanum chart memorized, but still feel insufficient because you can't write in Alethi and don't know all the allomantic symbols and Aons.

Comets would also be somewhat for them, but I do not think there is any reason Eshonai needs a Willshaper's Blade. It's possible she'll be the first Radiant listener by bonding with her Blade (I like the theory), or perhaps listener-bond with the spren to make a new type of form, but I don't give it a very high probability of happening.

 

Also: Adolin's Blade was likely an Edgedancer's (it's vine-y), and most people put him in the Dustbringers, so again there's no need for her Blade to be a Willshaper's.

I wasn't saying that she had the Blade and/or Plate of a Willshaper, or that she would become a Radiant by reawakening her Blade's spren, though that's certainly possible. My thought was that her being a Shardbearer was unrelated to the comet spren and her possible Radiant-hood, much like how Renarin and Dalinar bonded spren and had dead Shardblades.

I do kind of like the idea of her making a new form by bonding with the spren, but if it's a Radiant-spren, I hope that doesn't happen, since the spren used in listener bonds don't seem to gain any sentience from the bond. It'd be sad to do that a spren that could've had as much of a personality as Syl or Pattern.

Eshonai hears screaming in her head, and then a spren bursts from her chest. I believe strongly that the cometlike spren and screaming is her Shardblade. We've had confirmation from Brandon that the cometlike spren are important to one of the Orders of the KR, which only further cemented my position. (I also think it's likely the Skybreaker's spren, because Gravity + Division makes sense for a comet, but I could be wrong.)

 

Here's the passages:

There's also a theory that it's a Willshaper spren, because we already have a Skybreaker in Szeth, and Eshonai's love of exploration fits well with what we know of the Willshapers:

And now, if there was an uncut gem among the Radiants, it was the Willshapers; for though enterprising, they were erratic, and Invia wrote of them, “capricious, frustrating, unreliable,” as taking it for granted that others would agree; this may have been an intolerant view, as ofter Invia expressed, for this order was said to be most varied, inconsistent in temperament save for a general love of adventure, novelty, or oddity.

 

-From Words of Radiance, chapter 7, page 1 

(from WoR, p. 582, emphasis mine)

Sure!     Just like Amaram is Squeeky Clean and   Mr T is a Saint.           

 

Sadeas has proven that he can and will do everything in his power to bring down the Kholins.     Sure, at this point he waould probably fail, but why give him the chance to prove you wrong..

Because you shouldn't just execute people based on what they might do. At that point, he wasn't really a threat anymore, more an annoyance. Either he would do something genuinely harmful in the future, like you said, in which case we can deal with him then, or he'll go through with the plan he tells Adolin, which would be easily foiled and make him look like a fool. Let the man dig his own grave. And this is not to mention the fact that, should anyone find out that it was Adolin who killed Sadeas, there will be serious repercussions. We are told on several occasions that betrayal, like what Sadeas did to Dalinar at the Tower, is much more acceptable to the Alethi than outright murder. And someone killing a highprince? that's going to be seriously investigated, and said investigation could well do more damage to the Kholins than any plan of Sadeas's.

Personally, my problem isn´t that it berates me. I know that there are no right answere here. (It´s different in the follow up test where you could drive your trolly in a wall or something but thats not the point right now.) Heck, the test never even tells me that my choices are "wrong" or "bad". My problem is that in berating me the test uses an argument on my "consistency" that implies that the test either doesn´t know it own terms or is God and has complete authorithy over everything involved but hasen´t given me said context for my decision, yet still uses it to judge me.

Maybe I´m a bit touchy because I already had to deal with too many cases of false logic today.

This. I said torture was unjustified in the beginning, because I know that in the real world, torture doesn't work very well at all. But then at the end, it says that it has a 75% chance of success. Then yells at me for my inconsistency when it forced me to be inconsistent by giving inaccurate statistics. Grrr...

It was definitely an unexpected scene and a bit shocking but if you really put yourself in Adolin's shoes, it's what the majority of people would do. It has nothing to do with revenge. If he wanted his family to live, it was his only option.

Be completely honest, if you were standing in a room with a man who on several occasions has tried to kill you and your father, one of those instances resulting in the deaths of thousands of men who were loyal to you; If you knew there was no one of higher authority who would hold him accountable or stop him from trying to kill again, if he said straight up to your face that he believed he had the right to rule, killing your family was his best chance of achieving that, and he had every intention to keep on trying to kill you and your family; would you really just sit back and say "oh well, nothing I can really do about it."? If so, then you must have an honorspren already because I most definitely would have done exactly what Adolin did.

The thing is, I don't think his plan for undermining the Kholins would really have worked. I feel like no one would have listened to him given such visible evidence of the Radiants being exactly what they say they are, and the sheer ridiculousness of Dalinar starting a Desolation to gain political power. Anyone who's ever had a conversation with Dalinar is going to know that that's a load of crem. He isn't really a threat anymore, at least not based on what he said in that conversation, so killing him isn't justified (and no, I don't think it's justice to execute him for the betrayal at the Tower).

I don't think we should be too surprised by Adolin's actions. Here's a quote:

 

That's from the very first chapter Adolin is in. Rather reminds me of Syl talking about how Kaladin gets with lighteyes in general.

 

I'm more interested in how the other characters would react: I think Shallan would take it pretty calmly - I can easily see her giving him a comforting hug and defending him (she's done worse in the past and could relate to it, though she hasn't killed anyone she's hated). Hard to say about Renarin - just don't know enough about him. Navani is also hard to guess at - I suspect she would defend him publicly to some degree but berate him a bit in private. I think Dalinar would be very upset and would probably feel he's required to bring Adolin to justice. Kaladin would be rather torn, since he certainly hates Sadeas but would strongly disagree with the methods. Jasnah might be fine with it and just berate him for being sloppy.

I kind of doubt that Shallan would be okay with it, given her reaction to Jasnah killing the thugs in TWoK, which was (to me at least) a far more clear-cut case of self-defense than Adolin killing Sadeas, and therefore more moral.

Syl, closely followed by Pattern.