navybrandt

Thanks, Moogle, I'll keep that in mind too. With that in mind, I stand more strongly with my theory.

I see what you're saying now and thanks for the link. This has implications for my theory, but I will say that energy can be converted into matter (although that's much harder than converting matter into energy). Syl is a congative construct, but she can still interact with the physical world in small ways (or large ways as a Shardblade).

RAFO (Read And Find Out) Welcome!

I really hope it's a Mistborn movie instead of Steelheart. Either way, it would be great and a big boost to Brandon's career. I am a bit concerned about a movie forcing Brandon to make SA a lower priority, but I would be really happy for him if it happens.

This sounds pretty cool. No new advice for you but I hope you post pictures if/when you do it.

Anarchitect's theory is quite interesting and I've been seeing a lot of theories lately relating to the Void. Could it be an opposing force to Adonalsium that is still complete with 16 attributes combined?

Considering that galaxies are at least a few hundred thousand light years apart (sometimes millions), it might just mean they are too far away for the shards to travel. Not sure is the cognative or spiritual realms would allow intergalactic travel though. Of course if Adonalsium is the One god, space and time probably don't even matter to him/her/them/it. Adonalsium or the One god or something must have come up with the rules that the shards must follow though, and rules are pretty useless if there is not some way to enforce them. If Odium must win by following some sort of rules to get his power back, I'd be curious how he is forced into following those rules and how the Oathpact ties in to it all.

In response to Odium helping whatever shattered Adonalsium, there is a theory somewhere (I couldn't find it, but I remember seeing it) that there was a force diametrically opposed to Adonalsium called the Void that is trying to destroy everything. And there is a WoB that says long ago, there was a plot to destroy Adonalsium here: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/22313-plot-to-destroy-adonalsium-confirmed-by-brandon/

Would this be similar to the Radiant Oaths? Each new oath gives new powers, so each new Voidform is more powerful than the last?

I like your theory though I agree that this particular quote is about Baxil's mistress. We're pretty certain Hoid is using allomancy when he drinks the powder at the fair in Shallan's youth, so cross-world magic is possible. I wonder if someone would have to visit Scadrial before using Hemalurgy.

I hadn't considered it to be a bond with Honor. A bond with Honor would be really cool and ties in with another theory I have. I like the idea, but why would the Honorblades grant powers to anyone though? Perhaps Honor has somehow lost his consciousness and will bond with anyone holding one of his blades. It also might be some sort of bond between Honor and the blades themselves if they aren't made up of Honor's physical essence, but that is not anything that has been mentioned as possible before. I'll have to do more research on this, but it's a good point and might be a major blow to my theory. Thanks, Dunkum. This is a good response to KD's comment. I don't really know the minutia of where the surgebinding powers come from, but this sounds good. Again, another good post! Stormlight might make up for the absence of Cultivation in the Honorblades. Thanks for the compliment! Many of my theories get shot down pretty fast (not complaining - just thankful for the wisdom of others), but this one might hold some water! It's actually part of a larger theory that I posted in the Cosmere thread, but that other theory has a lot more holes in it. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Mistborn had both internal and external metal powers, but I was unaware of the god-metals being either internal or external. Either way, they granted the powers of both. Are you saying an internal god-metal can't take on a physical form? I'm not sure that makes sense as internal metals, such as tin or pewter, for example, are still in physical form. Sorry to sound so negative, but I just don't understand what you mean. Could you explain or send a link to the reference you're using? Edit: typos

That Milgram Experiment reminds me of the story Hoid tells about the people on the island that kill people for making a mistake because their ruler commands it.

Per a recommendation, I'm starting a new topic with this theory. THEORY: So, I've been thinking about a lot of stuff, and one theory I had was that Honor's physical manifestation of power on Roshar might actually be the Honorblades themselves. They are kind of hidden in plain sight, and I don't think we know where they came from originally. Honor might give of himself to create something that helps mankind fight the Desolations/Odium. Mistborn spoiler: Also to quote Syl from Chapter 87, page 1045, of Words of Radiance: That might explain why Spren were so interested in copying the Honorblades when making Shardblades. Edit 4/16/2015: Added quote from Syl

Sorry to distract from this interesting discussion about the color of shards/shardpools! THEORY: So, I've been thinking about a lot of stuff and one theory I had was that Honor's physical manifestation of power on Roshar might actually be the Honorblades themselves. They are kind of hidden in plain sight, and I don't think we know where they came from originally. Honor might give of himself to create something that helps mankind fight the Desolations. Mistborn spoiler: That might explain why Spren were so interested in copying the Honorblades when making Shardblades.

I know Ruin never got his body back. I did have to read the books to come up with my theory. As I said before, my point about bringing up Vin was to say that it is painful for one god to fight another god. Don't get hung up on the Vin reference. My main Mistborn quote for my theory comes from Chapter 57 of HoA.

Correct, at least unless Ruin got his "body" back. My point is that it is painful for one god to fight another god. The Ruin quote above states that Preservation was in agony for several thousand years. I believe this weakened him to the point that he died. Perhaps the Heralds endured the torture in Honor's place so that Honor could live. It's speculation but I believe it is sound.

I have this theory about the Oathpact and the reason for the torture of Heralds, the death of Honor, the reason for the Desolations, and the origin of Honorblades that I don't think anyone else has already stated. First, I'll start with a couple references from Mistborn: In Chapter 57 of Mistborn:HoA, Ruin says this: And throughout the book it's made clear that Preservation's sacrifice was only a temporary solution that caused him to give up his mind, but would eventually allow Ruin to escape his prison. Also, in chapter 81 of HoA, Vin was able to use the power of Preservation to push back against Ruin causing her divine body to tremble in pain and agony and eventually die. I know Vin didn't trap Ruin this way, but I'm just pointing out that she hindered Ruin and that fighting a god causes pain - at least when the gods are so opposed. To me, this sounds a lot like the Oathpact. It's called a bargain, instead of a pact, but they mean almost the same thing. There is pain involved. A god must give of themself. A god eventually dies as a result. A god is trapped/imprisoned or hindered in some way. It's a temporary solution. Now, what if Honor and the the Heralds figured out a way to trap (or at least hinder) Odium and make it closer to permanent? Instead of Honor suffering agony for thousands of years (just like Preservation), dieing, and Odium eventually escaping (or regaining full power), the Heralds agreed to endure the pain in place of Honor (how this was accomplished will be discussed below). And what if by doing so, they prevented/delayed Honor's death? There was some kind of bargain (Oathpact) between Honor and Odium that trapped/hindered Odium temporarily, but caused Honor to die, after a few thousand years of agony, in the process. Afterall, would it not be honorable to give up your life to save the lives of the entire world? However, Odium was tricked because of the intervention of the Heralds (this might be considered dishonorable though, so Honor would not be involved in the trick). Odium still escaped his prison (or regained his full power) every few thousand years and it caused a Desolation. He is defeated and re-imprisoned; the Heralds return to the place of torment; and Honor still lives as a result. Now, I know Taln was still being tortured after the "last" Desolation, but what if that wasn't enough to save Honor's life this time, so he died or splintered. There is speculation that this is what caused the Recreance. Finally, I think this original Oathpact is what forged the Honorblades - their origin being hidden in plain sight. Honor had to give of himself to trap/hinder Odium, and the Honorblades are the physical manifestation of Honor's power - much like the Mist is the physical manifestation of Preservation's power or Atium is Ruin's. These Honorblades were given to the Heralds to grant them great power during the eventual escape of Odium. But in the process, because they held pieces of Honor's "body," they endured great torture when they were in the place of torment. I believe that place of torment is one and the same as Odium's prison. Holding an Honorblade and being in Odium's prison at the same time is excruciatingly painful, but it saved Honor's life - until the Heralds (except for Taln) failed to return the last time. Any thoughts, flaws, additions? Edit: modified for clarity and to address some of the comments below

Welcome, you should read Warbreaker before book 2 of Stormlight Archive.

Isn't the end of the Series hidden somewhere in the first two books? I really think that's the death rattles. No real evidence of that though.

Granted, but then... squirrel I wish I could communicate

You realize this is like asking me to pick my favorite child - just not possible.

Granted, but you will fail every quiz, test, exam you ever take from that point forward. I wish I knew everything Brandon Sanderson knew in addition to what I know.

I never thought of them as Taln's words. Do we know for sure that's what they were? Since they as foreseeing the future, I thought of them as some message from a shard holder.

Is this Ben Landa the philanthropist from NY?

Welcome, and take an up vote. I recommend avoiding any offered cookies. Let's just say they are very high in iron - or maybe steel or pewter.