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This is all my doing, btw.  Someone posted in the Stormlight group on Facebook about going and I got her to ask it for me. The actual wording of my question was "If Hoid got his hands on, say, bavadinium, could he alloy it with lerasium to grant himself Sand Mastery?" She said Brandon's answer was "It's theoretically possible."

I've been chasing this theory for a long time, and I'm over the moon about it.

Yeah, after that new WoB, I'm 99.9% certain that Autonomy has indeed left Taldain and is going around creating splinters/avatars and taking over places. And as for Mistborn Era 2:

Got it, sorry!

Ah, great to know. Thanks!

So yesterday, the Oathbringer release event had two WoBs posted. Now, it says there are 75...but when I load the page, it's empty. Anyone else getting this? Screenshot attached...

1 minute ago, RShara said:

It can be considered a location as well.  It can also just be the way they speak--I've seen that turn of phrase in a lot of different places and books.

 

I guess I'm not sure what you're saying on the second part.  Can you quote the passage?

I have never heard someone use that turn of phrase before. "In vision?" Nah, doesn't fit.

The full quote from chapter 1:

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Some in his armies thought that it was finished, the storm over as one catastrophic event. Dalinar knew otherwise. The Everstorm would return, and would soon hit Shinovar in the far west. Following that, it would course across the land.

Nobody believed his warnings. Monarchs in places like Azir and Thaylenah admitted that a strange storm had appeared in the east, but they didn’t believe it would return.

If it hit Azir and Thaylenah at this point, it's already rounded the world once. Why would they assume it wouldn't round the world again, when they've never had a storm do that before? It's already unprecedented.

8 minutes ago, RShara said:

That should be fine.  He's referring to his vision kind of like a location.  Like saying, "I saw it in school!"

 

I'm not sure what's not clear about the monarchs not thinking the Everstorm would come again?  They're thinking it was a one time phenomena that would circle the globe once, and peter out.

Ehhh, vision isn't a location. It's an experience.

And for the kingdoms, it strikes me as very strange that the direction of them is highlighted, when it's irrelevant/out of place from the origin of the storm. Especially when their experience with highstorms indicates that they don't circle the world at all, but rather die before crossing the whole continent.

Pg. 1138, Renarin says:

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"I saw it in vision!"

Should probably be "I saw it in my vision!" or "I saw it in a vision!"

Additionally, in chapter 1, Dalinar thinks about how "Monarchs in places like Azir and Thaylenah" mentioned the Everstorm but didn't admit that it would come again...but the Everstorm started east of those, and clearly rounded the world already to get to them. Doesn't really make sense there...

Not a problem! I'm just glad I have a theory-ally haha. The whole thread does have some great points, but I think certain aspects of what's going on with Scadrial point to Autonomy leaving Taldain.

EDIT: I actually posted this originally in the Cosmere: Theories group we have going on Facebook, but that was even before AU came out and we knew more about Bavadin. 

Wow, this entire thread is awesome! I'm the one who got the WoB that started it off, and I asked it precisely because I've been building this exact theory for a while, but just hadn't gotten all the pieces to satisfy myself. I'm still thoroughly convinced that Trell is Autonomy, and is trying to Invest in Scadrial (hence the presence of trellium).

It's also pretty clear that Cultivation is still on Roshar because Hoid talks about her in WoR, saying that there's only one woman on Roshar who's his age, and that they never got along. He's talking to non-Cosmere-aware characters, so he doesn't say Cultivation outright, but that's clearly whom he's talking about.

Hmmm, no, it was more recent. I've seen those other two before. It was definitely talking about the possibilities being in the hundreds.

Unless I just had an extremely vivid dream in the past month and made this up...

Looking for a WoB re: the number of possible metals there are. I seem to recall this coming recently, but can't find on theoryland and my reddit-fu is extremely lacking. I want to say Brandon talks about the possibilities being in the hundreds, due to all the god metals coming into play with alloys and alloys combining between god metals.

Whoa. Huh. I mean, Darkside has more advanced tech, but...this seems like a stretch. And this is waaaaay before Scadrial would be getting to Era 2. Super weird.

Hard disagree. I asked that question, and he understood the context. He absolutely meant that healing the cracks in Kaladin's Spirit Web that allow for the Nahel bond would be healing his depression—and I never mentioned depression. My entire interaction with him was based around Shards healing the cracks that allow Investiture in, and he immediately brought up Kaladin's depression and couched it in the context of his wife's mental illness.

Given the context (I asked if Shards could heal the cracks without mentioning mental disability and Brandon immediately started talking about mental disability), I'd say that's a pretty strong indicator that that's what the cracks are in Kaladin's case.

13 hours ago, maxal said:

Having a mental disorders can certainly cause the required cracking, but it also might not. My thoughts are having a disability which causes hardship is not enough: your behavior, your conviction must align themselves with one of the order. Hence, Renarin must have done something, even if we didn't see it.

Brandon himself says it does, so...

 

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QUESTION

If a Shard were to heal the cracks in someone’s Spiritweb, like Saze did with Spook, and that person who was getting healed has a Nahel bond, would that break the bond?

BRANDON SANDERSON

No, because the Nahel bond is already filling in those cracks, so you would have to rip it off to put something else in there.

QUESTION

So the Shard wouldn’t be able to heal…?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Well, the Shard...Like, here’s the thing we have to get at with this, what we’re getting at, which is the question of, for instance, is Kaladin’s depression a flaw in him that needs to be healed? And that is a question for philosophers. There are certainly people in the Cosmere and outside the Cosmere that say yes, this needs to be healed, but what about somebody who’s...say, someone who is autistic, and their mind just works in a different way, and this way allows a certain bond to happen that couldn’t otherwise happen? Is that a flaw, or - is it a bug or a feature, to speak in coding terms? Is what’s up with Kaladin a bug or a feature? I know that my wife would probably get rid of her depression if she could, but it’s also fundamental in how she sees the world and who she is, would that change her into a different person? And things like this. So, I want you when you discuss this, to be very careful about treating mental illness as a flaw as opposed to an aspect of a human personality that allows certain different things to happen. Does that make sense?

Right there, Brandon says that Kaladin's cracks are due to his depression.

7 minutes ago, Emerald101 said:

Furthermore, it isn't necessarily true that all spren capable of forming a Nahel bond are a mixture of Honor and Cultivation.

Yeah, pretty sure Syl is a pure honorspren (e.g. splinter of just Honor) and Wyndle is a pure cultivationspren (just Cultivation).

I think people are forgetting here that cracks can be inherently part of the Spirit Web. Kaladin has Seasonal Affective Disorder; Renarin is on the autism spectrum. Obviously it's a touchy subject (and Brandon spoke at length about his intentions with this when I asked him about it at JordanCon last year), but having mental or psychological disorders can cause cracks just as much as physical or emotional trauma.

I can understand that line of reasoning. I'm not entirely convinced normal Breaths are given intentionally, though Endowment being her intent lends more credence (than, say, the fact that we know Ruin and Preservation didn't specifically create the Metallic Arts, but rather they arose naturally from their interactions with each other and the world—their intents weren't based around giving stuff to people).

I'm just saying that there appears to be a fundamental difference between Breaths and Divine Breaths. Brandon refers to Divine Breaths as splinters, but doesn't with Breaths. That indicates (to me, at least) that DBs are something Endowment is specifically breaking off of herself and giving to people, but Breaths are more like ambient Investiture that merges with someone at the beginning of their life.

I might need to add this to my list of questions for the next time Brandon comes around...

2 minutes ago, Calderis said:

Because Endowment altered them in order for Breath to be provided as such. A shard can personally see off everyone who passes to the Beyond. It's not beyond reason that Endowment could also personally bestow a Breath to each child. 

If that were the case, there would be no difference between a Breath and a Divine Breath, aside from a DB's use of stapling a Cognitive Shadow back into a body. 

4 minutes ago, Pagerunner said:

I believe the term you're looking for is "Investiture," believe it or not.

Yep, definitely. I got so caught up in the use of Investiture as a noun that I didn't even think of "Invest" as a verb. That said, the Nalthis example still doesn't totally line up, because while Returned are Initiated through a Shard's intention/decision, everyone on Nalthis is naturally born with Breath. 

Okay, I'm gonna remove my foot from my mouth here. I totally forgot one line from that AA:

"It does not appear to be tied to family descent, as one finds on Scadrial, nor is it a specific Shard's Decision, as on Nalthis."

So @Pagerunner is right, it's not Snapping, it's genetics. But that becomes a bit of a blurry line, because on some planets, Initiation automatically grants power, while on others, it doesn't.

EDIT: It's also worth nothing that the Elantris AA section on Initiation only refers to AonDor, so I'm not sure how it would contradict anything about Forgery or the Dakhor Monks.

25 minutes ago, Pagerunner said:

For Initiation, I think you're not quite using the term correctly. I've recently come to understand that Initiation isn't when you get the magic, it's who can get the magic. The Initiation of Allomancy isn't Snapping; it's described as genetic.

I disagree here. Khriss' use of "Initiation" in the Elantris AA points toward it being the acquisition of power, not the potential access to power.