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  1. Askthepizzagal
    Hey doc, you are sort of the de facto town leader if I die. Is it okay if I just empty my thoughts at you right now in preparation of my own death?
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    I will choose a person I feel is strongest likelihood of being town combined with the target of their vote being the strongest likelihood of being a hit. It may be my only vote I place this game for obvious reasons. I would like it to be a hit, so, I will try. Unlike last cycle, I am very very tired, and not able to be fully present, so I am not keeping up with the vote tally, may I have assistance with that?
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    CD, I know that sounds hostile and or adversarial, but my advice is to distance yourself from it personally. Just walk Aeternum through your logic, in a calm, detailed manner. If your point of view comes from an innocent telling the truth, you just explaining it fully helps everyone get there. I know a lot of players, even experienced ones, get put off or feel defensive or under attack when theyre asked questions like that. Don't think of it that way. I been playin' 17 years. This is your opportunity to take the witness stand and absolutely nail your testimony and show your perspective. You actually want other townies to react to you in this way, and ask you questions. That's how they find you if you're innocent. Don't be shy, make a whole wall explaining your POV. Knock it out of the park.
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    Hoid's attitude toward me is strange when I know I am town and I just said I would probably need to burn him today and then he makes a big wall post where he puts me as town. Note, this is part of what is getting him killed, is he's not voting for me again, and the person he voted to save specifically yesterday is voting to kill him. That's an unusual wolf behavior from my chair. This means absolutely nothing to anyone but me unless you've marked my name down as town. Doesn't feel like a hit.
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    So, Greebas has been thinking about Var, the shorter fellow who hasn't said anything yet, or arrived. I sense his presence but not his consciousness. Apparently, a problem for us should he be of the criminal variety. Because his continued freedom allows him to attack us at will, when we sleep for the night, and he can escape justice simply because we ignored him. However, there is also no evidence he is guilty. It poses a philosophical question- can we, should we, condemn a man, however small his stature, simply for not being present. And do we inherit the risk of leaving him alive if he were out to get us all? That is a hard question that Greebas proposes to you all: Because Greebas himself doesn't know the right answer there. He could merely be a distraction from fighting those who killed Seth. And killing an innocent however inactive and short man solves nothing. The question is whether you are brave enough to take the risk on leaving Var uncondemned. Whether you can extend your compassion to him. When that might be a sucker's bet. What should we do with him? I would have exterminated him for being useless to me, and a possible threat. ...and is that the wise path, ladies, gentlemen, theydies and gentlethems? edit- I absolutely got a notification someone posted, sorry for the doublepost.
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    Long RP here. In any case, high minded ideals are great and all, but even the noblest mortals don't have all the answers. Greebas doesn't seek to demonstrate that he is better than anyone else, that isn't the point- Greebas only seeks to give you that pause, that moment, before you condemn someone, or judge, or execute them, that you think for but a moment, what it means if you are wrong. That moment of pause and reflection and self doubt is what makes us living human beings of any value, and better than the undead creatures who never think before killing. @Doc12
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    day started 16 hours ago Wow I really don't like 24 hour day phases with no nights, the pace is too quick for me.
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    I have no idea how accurate this is, but at the same time, I applaud the methodology. I'll be a little busy with my hands, and distracted by RL but I'm reading the bits I missed when I was out and about today. I may be slow to respond, but I am reading up when I get a few seconds at a time. It looks solid to me, let me go over it again with my critical thinking brain when I am not distracted. Same to Aeternum- I may not be spotting the logical gaps right now, but I can comb it over more carefully when I am more available. If the perspective makes absolutely no sense then the exercise still had merit because if someone is guilty it can draw attention to the perspective slips, and if the person is town, you can talk through why it doesn't make sense with the person. --- I am a firm believer that the truth from each person's POV is useful in breaking the puzzle open, if stuff doesn't make sense just be patient and ask questions and get to the truth. If stuff is just wrong, call it out gently until something gives. Why this tends to work is, no matter how strange or muddled someone's perspective is when they're innocent, there is a truth somewhere buried down at the bottom of it, making the foundation of their argument, even if the conclusion is wrong. But if someone is guilty at some point they have to give a wrong solve, for false reasons, using bad logic, and sometimes it can take days or several rounds of questioning to get to the truth. But as long as the folks involved who are innocent cooperate with the thinking and solving process, no matter how critical or messy it can get, the truth they know for a fact is true can shine, and assist others with the solve. And even if that process fails and we don't catch it in time, when someone dies, the truth of their position becomes known anyway. The objective I have is to try to get to that truth before someone dies and can't come back. Because it's better to guess people are town correctly while they're still alive, because that helps you catch guilty people earlier, for better reasons. @Aeternum @Doc12 added some thoughts, edited in.
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    Wine in front of me, refers to a legendary scene from the movie The Princess Bride, where Vizzini "cleverly" deduces where his opponent has placed the poisoned wine, of the two goblets of wine, in front of him, or his opponent. They are in a battle of wits, a contest to the death, and they are to both drink the wine, and Vizzini is to determine based on his opinion of his opponent, whether he would put the poisoned wine in front of him, or in front of Vizzini, and Vizzini is to pick which goblet to drink from. The idea being, only a great fool would reach for the wine that his opponent gave him, but maybe his opponent is too clever by half, and therefore would choose to put the poison in front of himself, but maybe he is even more clever than that... ho ho, and put the poison in front of Vizzini after all... etc. Be back in a few hours.
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    Oh yes. A- wrong guesses (or right, you dont know yet if youre town) are allowed. No offense taken, just pointing out criticisms of the methodology. You can also throw darts, roll dice, or pick a card, and get similar results. B- you're also allowed to be guilty. It's not a crime to randomly pick that alignment in a game. Either or is acceptable. But, if you accuse me for no reason, I get to say hey, you've accused me incorrectly for no reason and that's not gonna find guilty people and that makes you a liability regardless of alignment. That's also valid and legal. AAAAAAaaaaaand I need sleep. gngn
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    Yeah, absolutely. But this game is a team game. This is part of it- every innocent person, in the game, has access to one piece of data I don't have, namely, absolute certainty their slot is innocent. Which is why, everyone knows something I do not. If you use your TMI on your slot, that you are town (assuming you are) your answers may be similar to mine, could be different. But one thing is for sure, you won't get your alignment wrong if you're town. I might. I don't know that info. But if you take the vote tally that I pulled from about 45 minutes prior to end of day 1, before the sudden vote shenaniganza on our PR, and also add in the AWOL person who is probably also town (just by random chance, they've done nothing to earn it) Then post that tally twice. In one of them, you assume zero guilty parties were voted twice in that tally, meaning, 2 votes on them. In the other, you assume one or more guilty parties were voted twice. Now, factor in who you think is actually town, too. What are your answers?
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    Yes, well, I randed my favorite role and alignment at the same time. What do you want me to do, not play that to the fullest? Besides, if I didn't sit there, there would be zero people for folks to talk to half the time. People would post, and then vanish for hours.
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    A second day and not reading town will do it for me. Some folks aren't willing to give others a full day, or the time of day. I think you get better info from waiting and seeing on people. None of the folks involved are going anywhere. They have a smaller pool of suspects to sort through. There is now an anchor point of "these two people ARE innocent", which is a place to work from. You need to be blind to still think I'm guilty. All I was thinking about at end of day yesterday was leaving a nice story for people to read, capping off kind of a neat narrative I hope people genuinely enjoyed. That was my headspace. You have to now have a basis of forming an opinion on the folks who formed an opinion on me, too. Thus, you can see the point behind why I do things that aren't as straightforward as vote random people for no reason, or flail and self preserve. Either guilty parties were under pressure yesterday, or they weren't, and either one implies a whole lot about the vote tally. Insert guilty parties into the vote tally under either metric- They can only be in a few places, either way.
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    That's all I need to hear. My goal here, based on the following principles- 1. Presume innocence first, rather than guilt 2. If the game seems too easy, it probably is 3. Find alternatives to the simplest solution 4. Uninformed people guess wrong, because they're uninformed, therefore, mercy is indicated. Means I have work to do, which also means I need to get some actual sleep, and solve for worlds where the game isn't blatantly simple. For reference, I've been sitting in front of this game for almost 14 hours, and half of those hours, people weren't even posting. It is optimistic to say the least to think that multiple guilties were under severe pressure at end of last day. I do have to consider it, as a world, but I need to consider the alternatives at least equally. My character Greebas is a big believer in patience, wisdom, thinking rationally, and being merciful. I didn't just invent those qualities as something to admire about a fictional character, I genuinely believe thats how you win games, because the revenge cycle just kills innocents. If I find alternatives I will suggest them. It's my duty to look. But in the meantime, until Penguin begins to make sense, they can probably be actually considered for real for an elimination because, I don't care who you are, if you are unable to handle mild criticism that random vote flailing is an ineffective solving method, you probably aren't legitimately solving especially after seeing the results that come with it, namely, the most important town roles dying. If all that happens after that is you double down on accusing the guy willing to die ahead of those PRs, again, for no reason you're not looking for guilty people. If all they do today is park their vote on me and continue to assume guilt and do nothing with it, on innocent people, forming a bogus conspiracy theory out of the idea that me doing nothing at all to earn their vote or hurt anyone else is the person responsible for our predicament, that's not really looking for answers. It can only be one of two things at that point- 1. The failure to admit mistake 2. The desire to kill the innocent And unfortunately, 1, is the same as 2, just worse for the team since it's a self-own, not an enemy goal on us.
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    Because not only were town AWOL and scattered like lost sheep no matter who their names were, but people weren't bothering to actually solve, sans like 4 names. Didn't instill in me a lot of confidence that the guilty parties were going to flip that day. The end result is rather predictable when the process happening all day was 1. "Vote this person for no reason." Me: No, but I'd be happy to talk about why some folks are town. Or if you have reasons for your votes. 2. "You, not voting people for no reason. DO IT OR DIE." Me: no thank you. 3. "You're not giving reads" Me: Here are reads on literally all the players. 4. "You're roleplaying too much in this game where you're supposed to play it in character the whole time" Me: k, kill me for it then, see where that gets you. 5. "UHHHHH GET THIS RANDOM GUY INSTEAD AT THE LAST MINUTE." Me: ..... There were precious few players, let alone town reads, doing anything besides that. Didn't think there was a high chance of a hit, call me crazy. My character sure is. edit All of those thoughts needed to be expressed. I shall get some sleep soon, to assess worlds where everything that just happened, occurred with 1, 2, or 3 townies where my current suspects names are. Because game usually isn't that easy.
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    It's pretty clear I have no companions, other than blue ones. Nor am I anything but innocent. I was willing to die to protect anyone else in the game if they were under fire. Of course, sniping someone when they can't defend themselves, on zero discussion, doesn't keep important town powers alive, does it?
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    By suggesting your votes and methods are wrong? As opposed to you trying to kill me for literally zero reason. Also I'm pretty sure I did lots.... and lots..... and lots.... and lots more things than even mentioning your name particularly. Why are you lying?
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    My current intention is to vote only between Hoid, Iced, and CD today. AskthePizzaGuy: (2) Hoid Slayer, IcedOutPenguin IcedoutPenguin: (2) Booknewt, KaladinsSenseofHumorSpren CoderDrag0n8: (2) Twinstorm, Doc12 Aeternum: (1) KelsierApologist Twinstorm: (1) CoderDrag0n8 KaladinsSenseofHumorSpren: (1) ThatOneWorldhopper ThatOneWorldhopper (1): TheUnknownOrder In my opinion this is a possible explanation for why end of day chaos happened and there was a sudden wagon on OneWorld. As soon as Aeternum voted for Oneworld, that provided a likely 2 innocent wagon on an innocent, which is why Hoid switched off of me. Because I don't believe his belief that I was ever guilty, nor his sudden desire to conveniently drop it, either. So unless a better theory comes along as to why that happened, my suggestion is to burn Hoid, followed by Coder or Iced, and then reassess from there.
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    Vague mutterings of a conspiracy don't impress me much, name names. edit, elaboration- Connect the dots on who is doing what to cause "this" being "set up"
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    The whatever non-Justice Seeker faction has a murder that also happens during "day" since this is a day and night combined game. So they choose the murder while the entire group chooses the daily vote elimination. I remain unimpressed with CD's votes and methods. I remain unimpressed with Iced / Richard's votes and methods.
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    Hoid Slayer, your methods leave much to be desired.
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    The story of Greebas Obdilaurd.
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    Greebas endorses this development yet will continue to not vote. It may take until after this contest has ended to explain to the youth what the purpose of that could possibly be, but the short version is, Greebas feels the guilty suffer the most when the vote tally is dangerously low, and any of them could be sniped at any time. It is equally dangerous for the innocent.... but Greebas has been innocent and en prise all day anyway.
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    That is mostly courtesy toward someone new, and I will phrase this in-character. CD is a youth, therefore, some forgiveness is granted. Greebas is quite an old man, and Obdilaurd is positively ancient. What we agree on, is that the youth, who have not so much experience with hunting the guilty, will often appear so, due to their lack of process. Pointing fingers for no reason, the dreaded "sus" accusation that you know I personally love ever so much, how paper-thin everything is, but this is often the case for folks who don't know what to look for, or how to solve. In other words, Greebas is being extremely generous here. There isn't much to actually clear CD for. It is a bit like how Greebas assumes you're town until shown otherwise. Or how he assumes dirtydan is town until town stops killing him every game for no reason. The town read on CD was, essentially, a freebie, that Greebas doesn't actually have confidence in, and will drop all shields there as a legacy. Iced, Greebas isn't a big fan of his approach, which is killing people for no reason and not engaging with them with any curiosity whatsoever. This process will kill innocent people, over and over, at rand or worse, and can be wolf-motivated. Not really much to say about that. Iced is also new, so that can come from an innocent, but if so, Iced is just helping the guilty win here, and not much else. Greebas can find forgiveness in his heart, but it is taking extraordinary amounts of patience for Greebas to not just vote to eliminate him just to continue living, himself. But Greebas is a very old man. Sometimes, the youth need to learn, and how can they learn if they die immediately for not knowing how to find the guilty? If Greebas should die today, it would be a courtesy to not clear Iced for no reason. And they probably should find better reasons to vote for folks. Hoid, however, not quite a true Archangel and Greebas will fully rescind that, because it wasn't a particularly lengthy interaction and one doesn't necessarily need to be innocent aligned to have misread the tally, since edited in votes occurred several times. Greebas himself was very diligent in reading the game because Greebas has a mystery to solve, whereas Hoid aka Wishikk Makar, hasn't bothered to actually pay close attention. At all, even when constantly reminded of their numerous bookkeeping errors and nonexistent process. So Greebas will drop the town read there. There's little basis for it. So, neutral to meh, it might be just the badness of their search, not a full blown suspicion. Just unimpressive and not really seeking justice by any means that would actually find anyone guilty, not paying attention, undiligent in the extreme. Really rough forecast if you pin your hopes and dreams on Hoid based on their solve today. ThatOneWorldHopper voted starseeker on nothing and parked it all day, accused CD and Penguin, and has not bothered to solve a mystery, in the slightest. How can you town read that? Booknewt did nothing much, so if Penguin is innocent, I wouldn't suggest Booknewt is. They showed signs of having basically read everything before talking, which is cautious behavior I associate with the guilty, nervousness, essentially. Striker didn't show up, and should have, but they're probably town given the other susses toward the slot and also, due to how many susses I actually have here, the five named above. Kaladin bookended the day, front and back, with neutral roleplaying. It's not a lot to actually town read, so on a scale of positive 100 to negative 100, that town read is like a positive 1. It's barely there. Kelsier / Mehlarin is a strong town read. Doc, if they are a wolf, you can solve them dead last. You absolutely need people thinking and talking. Seth, as explained, you're going to need sane brains to keep the contest competitive. TwinStorm is a light town read, and is probably okay. I trust you with my life, old friend. I endorse the above as well. We might disagree on much, but we think the town pile is pretty good, obviously, some folks aren't doing well by process and some aren't doing much at all, or nothing. This is the best I can do without actually being able to read their minds for another day. Legacies mean not a whole lot on zero flips and no information. But death comes to us all. It would probably come to the guilty if the innocent had a better game.
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    Greebas, for one, appreciates you un-accusing Seth. I like him. He has a sane, calm, level head. I feel we will need those in future discussions. Hopefully tomorrow's will be more productive and less carried by one technical individual.
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