Shardlet

No, the mist spirit indicated that Elend should consume the nugget after Vin took up and released the power. She did not gain any knowledge of it from the power.

Welcome Ludus. Google translate says your name means (at least approximately) 'game of the soul'. I fed it Mind game and came up with 'ludo mentis'. In any case, glad to have you with us. I for one have never successfully solved a Rubik's Cube. Congratulations on the new baby. I look forward to hearing your ideas.

I think that that is just some fancy edgework on the end of her sleeve. Doesn't resemble fingers at all to my eye.

What would you then propose as the third category Arook?

I understand not talking about his plan to unify Roshar under one head (his own). But, certainly there are other aspects of what he is doing that could be readily openly discussed.

They may not be. Scadrial is likely one of the youngest, and therefore least diverse, human populations in the cosmere since we know they were created by Ruin and Preservation. I suppose it depends on how long Ruin and Preservations pact was for and how long Preservation was able to keep Ruin bound. Even so, it seems unlikely that enough time would have elapsed for much diversity to occur.

Nope, several ideas tossed around. But there is not nearly enough data. It does not say expressly that he was. But, in the Kaladin/Amaram scene, Amaram associates the shardbearer with the Ghostbloods. Presumably they had a good reason for doing so.

I think it likely that humanity is remarkably similar from world to world. Else, the worldhoppers would have a rough time blending in. It is my belief that they all have common stock or were patterned after that common stock.

I agree that it would be best to at least attempt to cooperatively gather and share the information. At the very least, Taravangian and others would have more information to base decisions off of.

It is my understanding that the Everstorm is the final desolation, number 100, it all comes down to this. The first and only desolation post-Honor.

By the same token, we only have a sampling of the storm visions. It also appears that Dalinar did not remember the earlier visions judging by his reaction to the last vision in WoK (which was a repeat of the first vision). If you'll recall, I did not affirm that the were not, I simply said that they did not appear to be so. Consider, Alethkar is clearly conquest driven. However, they are on the east side of Roshar. On the west they are hemmed in by Jah Keved which is apparently nearly equal in strength (which it would be prudent to be so with such a neighbor). On the other side of Jah Keved is a number of militarily weaker nations. It seems to me that if Jah Keved was particularly conquest driven they would be picking off some of these weaker nations. With "Odium in the world" would you say the Shin are peaceful? How about the Azish, the Emuli, the Purelakers? Odium is everywhere in the the world. Are we to assume that every nation is not peaceful?

Except that we are on Roshar which is/was overseen by Honor for purpose of this thread, not on the planet overseen by Pragmatism. So the fact that surgebinders living the ideals resulting in power-ups, suggests that the ideals have some substantial importance and value on Roshar.

Welcome, Taln. Great work on the model.

Brandon said that notwithstanding the time jumping he is far older than a person can normally live. Source

I don't think that Amaram's treachery was in "stealing" the plate and blade. It was the murder of the remainder of Kaladin's squad and the banishment of Kaladin to avoid uncomfortable questions and prevent Kaladin from having a change of heart and laying claim to them. Kaladin did not really care about the disposition of the plate and blade. He said to give them to one of his men as an afterthought to get people to let him be rather than pester him about why he did not want them. As with so many things in politics in the US, the act is not the problem, but the cover-up is. That is when a poor choice typically becomes a scandal. Amaram taking control of the plate and blade would not have been a big deal. Since Kaladin refused them, nobody would have batted an eye or thought it unusual or even inappropriate for Amaram to take them up. But, Amaram chose to make sure that Kaladin could not reasonably lay claim to them. He killed any witnesses that would support Kaladin's claim. He reduced Kaladin to zero status such that his word would never be taken seriously. The only mercy was that he spared Kaladin's life because Kaladin saved Amaram's life. This is Amaram's treachery. Murder and deceit.

Sounds like Rashek must have shifted the axis of Scadrial then. In the discussion of the scrapped ending, one of the issues Brandon discusses is the day/night cycle at the location of the well (pre-Rashek). One of the reason's he opted to move the well was to have a normal day/night cycle at Luthadel (i.e., the location of the well. All this is assuming Sazed's accuracy (which I have no reason to doubt, but still may not be correct). Upvote for the great quotes though, Weiry.

I think your quote should be edited. The actual quote is as follows: http://www.goodreads...on-way-of-kings As you can see, the quote does not really imply that Gaz was killed.

Darnam is correct that Rashek moved the well from the Terris mountains. The WoB on this is pretty established. From the notes on the original ending of WoA: However, I am not convinced of the canonicity of the metal lake. There are a great many things in the original ending that are not canon. I am rather uncertain as to how 'correct' the lake is after the changes Brandon made.

That is not really consistent with the definition of colloquial though. Colloqiual means used in ordinary or familiar conversation. Not formal or literary usage.

Beautiful and worthy of an upvote if for no other reason than the redshirt guard getting it.

Journey before destination. The ends do not justify the means.

I doubt that there is one. Ferrings did not apparently emerge until the age of Harmony. And of course, atium has not apparently been reintroduced onto Scadrial. So there would be no known atium ferrings. Since terms like skimmer, slider, and soother are in-world constructions, there would not be a colloquial name for them unless some one IRL coined it.

A muffin? Crap! Then what do you call our muffins?! Will this chain never end?! How can we reconcile such profound differences in our cultures?! Thanks for the answer. I have been curious about that for a while.

Welcome, Buggy! Glad to have you with us. I think that Lirin is the person Kaladin looks up to the most. After how things went with Roshone and the sacrifices that Kaladin sees his parent making, Lirin becomes the person Kaladin admires the most. Kaladin seeks to honor his parents sacrifice by putting the interests of his family ahead of his own. Kaladin now wants to be like his father. When Tien is drafted out of spite for Lirin, Kaladin again puts family before self and promises to protect his brother in order to mitigate a consequence of the Roshone ordeal. Then, Kaladin fails and Tien is killed. In the meantime, Kaladin has become a skilled warrior, unlocking his natural talent for the spear. Unable to again face his failure to protect Tien, he re-enlists. In doing so, he ultimately compounds his perception of his father's disapproval by continuing to choose to be a warrior. That is some powerful mental juju that is tough to overcome.

I don't know Moogle. You are working on one key underlying assumption that we have no reason to believe is accurate. For all of Taravangian's good intentions (which, by all appearances, do seem to be genuine), will his method and strategy work. The only tools he has used so far in quest to save the world are murder, assassination, and documentation. Recording and attempting to draw knowledge and understanding from the death cries are fine, obviously. But, a key underlying theme of WoK at least is Journey Before Destination. The way you get there is more important that just getting there. The ends do not justify the means. And it is not appropriate to characterize Szeth's targets as a few warlords. We have no reason to suspect that any of Szeth's targets have been warlords. The only warlords we have been introduced to in WoK is the Alethi highprinces. The Azish, at the very least, do not seem well-suited for aggression. I think it may be safely asumed that Jah Keved is well-trained in war (as one would expect a nation which strongly borders Alethkar to be) and that they are militarily second to Alethkar (as evidenced by the competitve number of plate and blades). But, they do not appear to be conquest driven. One aspect that has not been mentioned is, what are the secondary costs of these assassinations? Some nations will proceed with a smooth transition of power (although, it appears that Taravangian keeps going until their is political turmoil, evidence Azir). What chaos, death, and destruction, has and will occur as the rulers of these nations are systematicaly slaughtered? I suspect we will see some of this in WoR. At that point, we can better evaluate how bad it is to murder a few warlords. Your principal criticisms of the Alethi (and, by extension Dalinar) is their warlike nature and their constant border skirmishes and their relentless pursuit of the Parshendi. True, the Alethi are very conquest oriented, and under the wrong king, there would soon be a war of conquest between a united Alethkar and Jah Keved, at least. The border skirmishes are strong evidence of the lack of unity between the highprinces. And you are correct that war is a horrible thing regardless of cause. However, as was pointed out earlier, the Alethi did seek to understand why the assassination happened. And it does not matter if they sent 5 or 500 scholars and envoys to the Parshendi. Your request for a number in order to apparently weigh their genuineness is a little irrational. How many envoys need to be sent home in a box before the Alethi are supposed to understand that the Parshendi didn't want to talk about it. The Parshendi acknowledged that they ordered the assassination. Their delegation to the feast fled before Gavilar's body was cold. If the Parshendi leaders were unaware of the source of the assassin, they would have had no reason to flee since the assassin would not have been traceable to the Parshendi without capture of Szeth or admission from the Parshendi. The Parshendi intentionally acted to drastically change the course of the Alethi. And Taravangian who you have been working so hard to defend, who, again, has good intentions, we know very little about his plan and his goals. True, we see the big picture goal of trying to bring Roshar through the desolation. Dalinar has clearly changed since the assassination of Gavilar. You criticize the result of trusting Sadeas and acting with honor in his dealings with Sadeas. He acted on some pretty potent info that he believed indicated that he should trust Sadeas. He thought he had received an answer to a direct question. He only found out after the fact that the answer he got was not a response but a recording, if you will. Dalinar's mistake was one of interpretation. He is a smart guy. He has shown himself to be very politically savvy when is comes to directing Elhokar's interests. He doesn't think he is politically savvy and as a result has failed to apply his skills to his personal goals and needs. I think we will see a much more confident and politically able Dalinar in WoR. Personally, I think any one of the four in the blurb, could be the destroyer. All four stand at crucial apexes. Shallan has the least leverage so far, but that seems to be changing rapidly. Don't count her out of the running. Journey before destination alone tells me that Taravangian is on the wrong path and the Dalinar has taken the exit to get off the path he was on and is traveling to reach the correct path.