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On 10/17/2025 at 2:47 PM, Treamayne said:
Please see this thread where the topic is discussed. Quoted from that thread:
Hope that helps
Yes it does, thank you!
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Something I noticed upon re-read is that when Sigzil’s armor starts peaking out into the physical realm, he refers to two sets from each set of oaths.
Unless he actually bonded with a third spren, this must be referring to his Windrunner oaths with Vienta. But as far as I can tell, he had not achieved the Fourth Ideal with her. So what gives?
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5 hours ago, Nitpicking said:
If Adonalsium were recreated, it would be much farther in the future than TSM. I would put Emberdark farther in the future than TSM, but I haven't checked WoBs, that's just off the cuff.
I agree - but given that all of this happens way later than the end of the Stormlight Archive, it seems highly unlikely that the Heralds are going to be at all involved.
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8 hours ago, Nitpicking said:
Brandon has been hinting at a rejoined Adonalsium for many books now.
This is Brandon. If he's foreshadowing it this hard, it won't happen, at least in a straightforward way.
Correct.
Moreover, we have a glimpse of the future from TSM, where it is explicit that Adonalsium remains shattered.
Quote“I’ve noticed your expression when we mention Adonalsium.”
“Contemplation,” he said. “I don’t mean to be contrary, but Adonalsium? He—”
“He’s dead?” she asked. “Yes, we know. Did you think we had no idea of the story? The Shattering? The Shards?”
“I…yes. So I assumed. Since you still talk about him and…well, you know, pray.”
The Sunlit Man p. 400
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I hate to be a party ruiner, but it’s fully impossible to even guess, because we don’t know what technological developments will take place with each planet’s magic systems.
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On 7/9/2025 at 5:39 AM, TheWarriorPoet said:
We know Hoid. The clever storyteller. The worldhopper. The man with many names — and too many secrets.
He doesn’t kill.
He doesn’t fight.
He doesn’t rule.But what if that’s not because he’s good — but because he’s bound?
What if the greatest con in the Cosmere… is the one Hoid played on the gods themselves?
THE SETUP
At the Shattering of Adonalsium, sixteen individuals ascended to become Shard Vessels. Brandon has confirmed that Hoid was offered a Shard and refused — and that he was friends with several of the Vessels before the Shattering.
But what if that friendship was a mask?
What if Hoid’s true motive was always to remove Adonalsium from the board — not to take power for himself, but to ensure no one else could stop him later?
THE PACT
After the Shattering — regardless of how or why it occurred — Hoid and the 16 Shards formed a cosmic pact:
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No direct violence between Vessels.
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No direct interference in mortal wars.
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No unification of the Shards.
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No Dawnshard-fueled conquest.
This was not peace. It was containment.
Each Shard was terrifying. But Hoid… Hoid was unpredictable.
And they all agreed:“We will not strike with swords. We will strike with story.”
HOID’S REAL GOAL: REPLACE ADONALSIUM WITHOUT TAKING A SHARD
Instead of seizing a Shard, Hoid began a new path:
To collect the echo of each Shard’s power — and rebuild divinity inside himself.Every magic system in the Cosmere is a manifestation of Shardic Intent. And Hoid is deliberately gathering them, one by one:
Magic System Shard Hoid’s Access Allomancy Preservation Consumed a lerasium bead (Secret History) Feruchemy? Preservation/Ruin Strongly implied in The Lost Metal Awakening Endowment Confirmed; may hold a Divine Breath AonDor Devotion + Dominion Can use; seen in Lost Metal epilogue Surgebinding Honor/Cultivation Bonded a Cryptic (Lightweaver) Lightweaving Yolen (???) Origin unknown, possibly pre-Shattering Fortune ??? Uses it to be "where he needs to be" Yolen Magic Pre-Shattering Unexplained, but likely fundamental He’s not hoarding Investiture at random — he’s building a spiritual resonance that reflects the entire Cosmere. A self-made god without Intent, without Shardic madness.
When the Shards eventually fade, Splinter, or collapse (as we’ve seen with Honor, Devotion, Dominion, Ambition…), the power will flow to the only being capable of harmonizing with all of it:
Hoid.
WHY HE DOESN’T INTERVENE
Because he can’t.
He’s still bound by the Pact of Peace — or possibly by his Dawnshard’s limitations (we know he once held the Dawnshard of Change).
He doesn’t kill. He doesn’t fight. He tells stories.
He manipulates events through words, art, and chance.
Because that’s the only weapon the pact allows him to use.He is playing by the rules…
While bending the story to his will.
ENDGAME: THE COSMERE WILL BECOME HIM
What if Hoid isn’t trying to stop Odium…
He’s waiting for Odium to burn through the other Shards — until the power is free.What if he’s preparing to become something worse — or more divine — than Adonalsium?
Not a tyrant. Not a savior. But a narrative being with the power of all, and the binding of none.
The Shards are gods fractured by Intent.
Hoid will be a god unified by story.
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After the Shattering, Hoid and the Shards created a Pact of Non-Intervention — no direct violence, no mortal warfare.
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Hoid doesn’t intervene because he’s bound by the pact — not by morality.
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Instead of holding a Shard, he’s collecting resonances of each Shard’s power via magic systems.
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His endgame is to replace Adonalsium, not by taking power — but by becoming the only soul compatible with all of it.
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The final threat to the Cosmere might not be Odium…
It might be the man who’s been narrating the whole thing.
What do you think? Could Hoid be preparing to override the Shards by becoming the soul of the Cosmere itself? Or is this just another trick in a very long story?
Looking forward to your thoughts and counter-theories.
-The Warrior Poet
I just want to say that I’d be far more willing to entertain your theory if you wrote it normally. This exaggerated phony dramatization (be honest, ChatGPT wrote this right?) is intolerable. And bonus, it’s meaningless - I don’t know what “a god unified by story” means.
Anyway the kernel of a new idea here - that Hoid was arranging this all from before the Shattering - I find too conspiratorial to make work. The idea that Hoid is seeking to replace Adonalsium has been proposed before; see here. I also don’t see any evidence that there was a pact that bound anyone, much less Hoid.
On 7/10/2025 at 3:36 AM, TheWarriorPoet said:If you think this about Hoid then you probably know less about the entire cosmere then you claim chat gpt knows. i dont know which book or interview or tidbit gave you this idea that hoid is so powerless that he could be wiped from existence by any shard with barely a thought. I dont think brandon is working so hard into building a character who is almost the only consistent character throughout the cosmere to be so powerless.
This is gonna be funny to come back to…
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On 7/12/2025 at 9:37 PM, Nitpicking said:
I just happened to run across this WoB:
Shogun
If you had to guess right now, what year would you think Dragonsteel will come out?
Brandon Sanderson
It will be the book after Stormlight 10 is the way it is planned right now. So, add those up, we’ve got seven more Stormlights, four more Mistborn, two Elantris, and one Warbreaker. After all those, and I generally do one a year, so add all that up. So 7... 11... 12 years and then I will write it, probably, is what it looks like? 11... no 13... 14 years.
Optimism!
Yeah honestly, we have to accept that he’s either gonna farm out some Cosmere material to other company authors proactively, or it’s going to get de facto farmed out when he passes. Because I simply don’t see how he can keep his (quite aggressive) current pace and get to the Cosmere finish line.
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15 hours ago, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said:
Did I tell you about the Dawnshard's effects on Hoid? He is incapable of harming people. So it is not him. It is not Kelsier either because every time he hits Hoid, the Dawnshard just regenerates him. It would be an endless battle until one of them gives up.
I suggest that you don't post anything in Cosmere or anything Discussion until you actually read the stuff.
Jeez this guy has no chill
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On 7/31/2025 at 4:19 PM, RedBlue said:
From the RPG materials (World Guide chapter 3), we know:
Dai-Gonarthis wants to destroy the world. That’s what she would do if sufficiently empowered.
IMO that motivation doesn’t match up with Dai-Gonarthis being derived from Dominion. It seems a bit too contrary to the Intent I would expect to see, even accounting for some warping.
This actually came up in WaT: Vienta tells Sigzil that “she wishes to break and burn this world”. (p. 663) And I agree that that’s contrary to the intent. That said, I’m comfortable waiting for more context before writing it off; I usually don’t like to theorize on the basis of similar mechanics, but in this case the similarity is hard for me to ignore.
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On 7/29/2025 at 12:44 PM, Impact said:
The three moons of Roshar have always been associated with the three shards, but what if we have all been reading it wrong?
What if instead of representing Honor, Cultivation and Odium, the three moons represented the Wind, the Stones, and the nNight? That still doesn’t entirely explain the fourth moon, but with the way the system was set up before the shattering, to me it kind of makes sense.
I think this is correct. It’s a bit ridiculous for a 4th Shard to be hanging around Roshar. By contrast, a 4th Superspren would have preceded the Shards’ entry to the system, which is why they wouldn’t be aware of it.
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My guess:
Sja-Anat: Odium-warped remnants of Ambition
Dai-Gonarthis: same, but Dominion
Ba-Ado-Mishram: same, but Devotion
What we know of Sja-Anat is her ambition to subvert Odium and become a God herself. The specific way she’s doing that is the Odium-inflected direction of granting freedom to Spren; but ultimately her goal is a pretty clear expression of ambition. And we have a WOB for this one.
Ba-Ado-Mishram is similar in that what we see of her is her devotion to her people, the Singers, being paramount for her. When we see her in Odium-inflected moments, her rage is at her imprisonment and their enslavement. But much more interestingly, when we see her during the False Desolation, she doesn’t seem Odium-esque at all! Peace is decidedly the opposite of an Odium-aligned goal. I speculate that gaining access to the Well of Control granted her some measure of ability to recover her true self (even though it did the opposite to Ishar.) Another piece of evidence is we see her going around healing Singers - consistent with Aona’s identity as a healer. (WaT ch. 113)
As for Dai-Gonarthis, we know exactly one thing about her: that she transports people for a price. Have we seen this mechanic before? Certainly, with the Dakhor monks on Elantris! My speculation is therefore that the price Odium had to pay was sacrificing tens of thousands of Singers to transport the troops that facilitated the assault on the Shattered Plains. (By the same token: in the WoR epigraphs on the Unmade, we see speculation that Dai-Gonarthis was involved in the scouring of Aimia - well, she might have facilitated the transportation of soldiers onto the island chain, such that they could completely negate Aimia’s defenses!)
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On 6/24/2025 at 4:31 PM, bmcclure7 said:
I mainly writing this to try to understand my own thoughts on this. I don’t really expect any replies, but if you do want to reply, that’s fine.
A core theme of a Brandon is ignorance. Seems to portray everyone as ignorant wandering around in the dark, especially about things concerning morality. But the more I read to him, the more he uses this theme. The more dissatisfied with it I become. In This last book it particularly irked me. I’ve been trying to figure out why.
more I think about it I think it comes down to that this even if it is true it is unbelievable from the human perspective. True, you can all say that we are all ignorant wandering in the dark, but no one really believes that at least no one I’ve met. True I’ve met people who say that they don’t actually have any moral knowledge only a moral perspective but when I actually confronted they vehemently insist that actually they KNOW murder is wrong, racism is wrong and so on.
Real ignorance it seems should lead to stressful indecision or depressing nihilism. Both of which are mind rejects on our subconscious level.
I think the reason why it particularly bothered me in this last book was because it seemed to go contrary to the theme of this book . Because if this is true then Nale is right. If it is true that everyone is coming from a place of ignorance concerning morality than the only thing you can do is trust in something beyond human. And hope that they or it is better. Well those are my thoughts take them as you will.
I just don’t understand how or why you’ve decided this is a theme.
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My wife has - finally! - started reading the Cosmere, and is now in the middle of Oathbringer. She is not so into it (apparently her favorite aspect of these books is the Shallan love triangle, which is not so prominent in the beginning of Oathbringer). I realized that before I make big claims like “Oathbringer is considered by the Cosmerenauts to be the best of the series”, I should actually check if it’s true. So please vote away!
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I think that to answer this question, you should be asking: who did the other Shards perceive as the most dangerous? And Odium not only goes after Ambition first, but keeps casually presuming that others agree that Ambition was going to need to be dealt with somehow. I’m pretty confident that the answer is Ambition somehow, and we’ll find out eventually the specifics.
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On 1/5/2025 at 5:36 AM, neshua_kadal said:
Also I still think Kelsier won't just be a villain, it is quite clear now imo that the Rosharan chapter took more liberties than Kel would have allowed if he were in direct control.
Brandon has made it very clear that Kelsier straddles the line between good and evil, and is willing to do things that would be considered straight up evil. And Hoid is terrified of Kelsier’s plans for reasons we know nothing about so far. Meanwhile we don’t even know what Iyatil and Mraize were after with Ba-Ado-Mishram (how would she help them coerce the Shards? Why would they want to coerce Harmony?) or why it’s in any way worse than what Kelsier is trying to do. So to sum up I disagree with this comment completely.
On 1/5/2025 at 9:00 PM, VirtuousTraveller said:“another has claimed him,”
I find this interpretation confusing. To me it is clearly saying that someone else’s claim overrides Retribution’s, thereby giving Dalinar the freedom to escape Retribution - not that they specifically kept him around.
Look we saw Dalinar go into the Beyond. To start speculating now that actually it’s all a giant fake out and really he’s still alive is, in my opinion, entering Stormfaker conspiracy theory territory. And there’s nothing I have more disdain for than hanging on to the Stormfaker idea post-WaT release.
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What is the point of explicitly telling us that Dalinar is permanently dead, Cosmere-wise, if not to stop us from speculating this way?
I agree with others who said having the Blackthorn just wind up as Dalinar as we knew him would be redundant. And they’re separate people, so the whole “10 orders represented on the battlefield” bit still wouldn’t work.
A question I would ask Brandon at the next opportunity is whether the 10 Radiant orders represented at Thaylen Field was just symbolic, or if it had more substantive significance for the battle or for Dalinar’s Ascension or what. Because otherwise I’m not sure what that was about.
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On 1/22/2025 at 12:12 PM, mikeymikesalot said:
I was reflecting on the Mishram content we got in this book, and I think I may have a fair idea of the most important reason Kelsier is so interested in her. There's also a juicy implication for what I'm expecting we'll get some of in the Ghostbloods trilogy.
During the False Desolation, Mishram took up a significant portion of Odium's power, and utilized it to grant forms of power to the singers. iirc this is because she drank from his perpendicularity, as we heard that Ishar did as well much later. I don't recall what was going on with Odium at this time, and why he wasn't acting alongside her, maybe he was just focused on the birthing of the everstorm that wouldn't arrive for a couple millenia. Either way, while Odium wasn't taking the fight to the humans, Mishram, frustrated by this, took up some of his power and took the reigns herself.
Kelsier's epilogue in TLM is very interesting as well, as we hear some of Kel's frustrations with Sazed and his lack of action and intervention. He hopes for there to be a resurgence of Mistborn and full feruchemists, and asks Sazed if the seed of Preservation is still present in the people. If it is, he doesn't understand why it can't be drawn out. Sazed's answer leaves Kelsier unsatisfied, and it seems clear that Kelsier intends to continue looking into this, just hopefully not in the same avenues as The Set.
I think Kelsier learned that a powerful spren of Odium managed to take up a portion of its power, in order to enact what it thought was right for it's people. And having learned this, he wants to know how it was done, because he wants to take up some of Harmony's power, so that he can extract the latent metalborn powers from people, just as Mishram granted the singers their latent forms of power.
So if we see Kelsier hunting down Harmony's perpendicularity in era 3, I think that is exactly what he is hoping to achieve, and will certainly provide ample juicy conflict between him and Sazed as the backdrop of era 3, because we certainly got hints of the way Odium was afraid of Mishram in WAT, and I would expect the same from our favorite Terrisman
I haven't taken time to find the appropriate quotes to accompany this theory, but I'm interested to hear what you all have to think about this!
This is helpful but still does not bear on Kelsier’s overarching goal that has Wit freaking Jasmah out and setting himself in deep opposition to the Ghostbloods. Why would Wit so strongly oppose Kelsier taking Preservation back sort of?
There are answers here - non obvious ones. So far what we know for sure is that it’s short of controlling a shard directly (which is what Iyatil and Mraize somehow want to do) but that’s about it. This business with BAM still sounds like means to Kelsier’s end rather than the end itself.
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On 1/20/2025 at 1:58 PM, Y F-N said:
I was disappointed that Kelsier was mentioned by name in Wind and Truth.
I have some friends who I've introduced to the Cosmere, and say that they prefer to stick with one series and finish it all the way through before moving onto another one. For these friends, I have recommended that they read Mistborn era 1, followed by Stormlight (due to mentions of Sazed and Harmony), followed by Mistborn era 2 (due to era 2 pulling the curtain back on the Ghostbloods, which are mysterious in early Stormlight). However, with one single word-- "Kelsier"-- in Wind and Truth, I can no longer claim that Stormlight in its entirety should go before Mistborn era 2.
So now, the reading order I have recommended to them is to switch back and forth between Stormlight and Wax + Wayne, either in publication order or alternating. But my friends don't want to do that.
I'm left with a dilemma. My friends have not yet finished Mistborn era 1, so I have time. But should I tell my friends to read Wax + Wayne first, and take away some of the mystery of the Ghostbloods? Or should I tell them to read Stormlight first, and spoil that Kelsier is still alive?
I think having the Ghostbloods ruined as it were before starting the Stormlight is… not bad? Maybe net positive?
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On 1/25/2025 at 12:39 PM, TwinStorm said:
So me and my brother @BridgeBoi had a theory about the Girl Who Looked Up.
The main gist of it is that it is the Girl Who Looked Up's story is set in the future, probably sometime during the Back Half, and Wit foiund the the story due to his connection to Fortune and his experiences in the Spiritual Realm.
Our main pieces of evidence is a Death Rattle in wat that could easily refer to the girl who looked up, but Moelach almost always gives visions about the future.
“I climb! I climb the wall of grief toward the light, locked away above! I climb, the weight of my darkened twin on my back, and seek the captive! The light I love! I ... Storms ... the light I love! ”
—Observed circa Ishi 1165. Subject was Tuko
The "darkened twin" is voidlight, which she needs, the light she loves is Stormlight obviously, as she seeks the return of the storms
I don't have a theory for how she gets stormlight back, except through maybe Syl, but this is mostly just a crackpot theory.
It’s an idea that has some appeal I’ll say. I like it. But it’s not clicking with me. And one main reason is that so far all of Wit’s stories have turned out to be about the past and to even have actually happened (to some extent, in the case of the emperor in the tower one).
It’s also important to note that Shallan apparently had heard this story before too, and it’s not clear how she’d get access to the future.
I remain convinced that this is some deep origin Yolen story about the discovery of investiture or something like that.
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On 12/13/2024 at 5:39 PM, MagicMaggot said:
He might well seek a kind of peace within Roshar.
We had Wit mention what he thinks Retribution will do:
QuoteAnd during that time, just maybe, Retribution would assume the place secured and loyal. Which gave Roshar a chance.
- Wind and Truth, Epilogue
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3 hours ago, SomePog said:
On a reread of Stormlight now and I stumbled across this specific quote from WoK
“The burdens of nine become mine. Why must I carry the madness of them all? Oh, Almighty, release me.”
For the most part I assumed this to be Taln, but with WaT I actually think its about Ishar, we saw how Ishar bears the madness of all of them, just thought it was a neat detail.Guys it’s a chapter title. Chapter 138 is “The Burdens of Nine”. Based on the content of that chapter, it’s all but explicit that this is Ishar like you said.
There are several chapter titles that similarly reference some Deathrattles, that we all speculated about and then got our answers. (For example “the suckling child” did indeed turn out to be Gavinor; the man standing upon a cliffside turned out to be Dalinar, on the verge of destroying Roshar; etc.)
9 minutes ago, SomePog said:Now my question is, who said this? Maybe the line "I am broken, and all around me have died." could give us a clue?
Consistent with my theory that Szeth is The Broken One (and hence will eventually reign), I think this is Szeth: all the other Heralds appear dead to him, and like I said, he’s Broken (also, he lost his arm so he’s quite literally broken.)
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11 hours ago, TruthMisting said:
Vasher has all the information he needs to piece together the truth:
At the end of Adolin's PoV, Maya tells him that the Heralds did something to protect the spren, this information seems to be available to Maya if not all deadeyes or spren in general, either way Adolin will share it with Urithiru.
KoWT will write about Ishar needed a new Herald for the Oathpact and how he never got one, except they disappeared, protecting the Spren, but Kaladin died, and it poses the question, maybe he had something to do with it as the Wind's champion.
""I can only guess what happened, therefore, to the Knight of Wind. That he is dead is demonstrable. That he succeeded, at least in part, is also demonstrable." 289
"But it was not a complete success, as I have not heard the Wind—neither has Szeth—in years. Save that one whisper.
Regardless, she lives, so perhaps the Oathpact, as it was, held well enough? Even without Szeth to fill the hole?
Or perhaps, as champion of the Wind, Kaladin was able to do something in the end right before he died, which turned Retribution's ire from the spren."
But say if someone knew how the Heralds and Cognitive Shadows worked(someone who explained the concept to Kaladin in the last book btw) we're to hear all the pieces, he could together that Kaladin DID become a Herald. Vasher knows, whether he'll share or not, I think he won't.
I think, like with Taravangian=>Odium, people will start figuring it out.
The question is will they figure out the full extent, ie that the Heralds are planning for a comeback. I don’t think that information is accessible - to anyone, at all, full stop. So it’s not clear what they’d do with it.
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5 hours ago, OverlordBob999 said:
But for all we know Nightblood was also patterned based on this weapon, or both the weapon and Nightblood were tapping into the same mechanic. I would keep your theorizing alive; so far Nightblood is the only thing that we’ve seen that can allow a human to kill a Shard’s Vessel, so it’s a decent candidate for whatever this weapon was.
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On 1/11/2025 at 4:48 AM, Varion said:
Why would anyone come onto a fan theory board and spend so much time constructing a mean-spirited joke about fans sharing their theories? If you disagree with the theory, explain why using evidence from the canon.
Hate to see this snide, conversation-stopping attempt at “humour“.
Well since you asked: of course there are more than a few whacky theories in this forum, and that’s part of the function of the forum: for people to take long-shot guesses at what the future holds. But I hold a certain set of theories that are unfalsifiable in contempt. The two versions that come to mind (and that I’ve made fun of this way) are a) Stormfaker and b) “Cultivation was the puppet master all along!” The reason is because, well, they’re unfalsifiable: the evidence can be clear as day that, for example, Cultivation is muddling through godhood the same way the other gods are. And yet, there’s always some combination of future sight, assuming motivations that just happen to align perfectly with the outcomes, and the fact that her Intent is effectively to be puppetmaster that a reader can cobble together to speculate “well what if it was always her plan?”
Brandon has already made it clear that a) Cultivation’s reach exceeds her grasp in the planning department b) she’s realized a whole bunch of unintended consequences already c) that no one could anticipate the outcome of WaT d) that futuresight is irrelevant to inter-Shard activity. And yet this wholly unappealing possibility, that the entire Stormlight Archive is just one giant Deus Ex Machina on the part of Cultivation, just won’t die - because it can’t be disproven! There’s always “what if her futuresight is actually so good that she could plan it all anyway?”
Let’s dwell on (a) for a second. Every revelation of the origin and nature of the Vessels that we’ve seen has been underwhelming. It’s to the point that it’s clear that this will be a major theme of the Cosmere, as it already is with the Heralds in Stormlight: how behind the curtain of religious myth - even or especially when all the myths turn out to be true! - the divine persons involved are just… people. They make mistakes, they scramble to fix them, they get caught off guard, their arrogance leads them into trouble, they get in over their heads, and they wind up dead despite being immortal. And yet some people want to read this as foreshadowing that Cultivation is actually just an omniscient, omnibenevolent mastermind all along! Are we reading the same book?
So yes, because actual arguments don’t work - indeed can’t work - to rebut “what if actually Cultivation is a secret mastermind puppeteer”, I will mock these theories. Not least because, contra you, mockery is ultimately harmless and probably won’t even succeed in shutting down this set of theories, much less discouraging this kind of speculation broadly.
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Does Cultivation exercise influence by blocking futuresight?
in Stormlight Archive
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We have a more than a few instances of pivotal moments on Roshar being driven by an unexplained failure of futuresight. There are more that I'll add later as I remember them from my rereads, but here are two major ones:
Now let's consider Cultivation's role:
Obviously there can be alternative explanations - this is extremely speculative with little in the way of evidence. But it would be quite delicious, thematically, if the way Cultivation tries to influence things is by using her superior - but clearly still fallible - futuresight to inhibit others' inferior futuresight. And it would fit the accusations/descriptions of her intervention deliciously.