Illwei

Anyways, @Azmine_king No need for a huge epic post, just hows it going rn?

I could argue here about I think this accomplishes nothing. People do this, yes. In the end it doesnt accomplish much. In most cases Gears will flip village and we get nothing our of it, and it specifically sets us back on the actual goal of finding elims to specifically waste a turn voting out Gears. I could also talk about my thoughts on how the forum here in general seems to have rules that arent clear/dont exist about gamethrowing. Modkills don't happen even in explicit gamethrowing cases, and without mod action and definitions on what is allowed and what isnt, the players are left to not play the actual game until they sort it out themselves, which I dont think is fair to the players. Anyways, as i was writing the first bit I was going to say that the best course of action might be just ignoring it, but i cant say it is. Because the goal of it was this. Not this discussion, but to prevent people from knowing if it was a legitimate slip or if it was just a joke, and this started off as harmful to the village in every game gears claimed elim when a villager, because he knew that he would get voted off, and his end goal with claiming elim was just to hopefully make his elim games more succesful. I also want to point out that the way he claims needs to be noticed. Its not an outright claim, which is different because the player would normally notice, and/or make a conscious decision to claim. Gears phrases his in ways where they appear like elim slips, which is why people notice them in the first place, and you dont see people legitimately suspecting me for jokingly "talking" about the elim doc. Despite this, its not something i want to waste my energy and vote on. Because i want to try and play the game, not do what should theoretically be the mod's job. TJ

I really dont know what you expect me to defend lol. Someone not wanting to tie the vote?? I think people wanting to tie the vote isnt good and i dont think it has to do with the specific people, at least in my case. I dont remember XP being up there in the lead long enough for anything to matter there. @matrim's dice but it doesnt work Hm? Well, it depends on if you think that theres more than one...uh... ... ... brigman? And what the priorities of that person are going to be. I wouldnt be surprised if there was an elim brigman too. But if the priority is protection, and Gears does manage to get quinn protected, then that leaves the Elims less worried about being caught, and them also not worried about their target being protected. I have more to think but my break is over and i cant quote very easily on mobile :P.

I have to agree here on this, and this was a common d1 discussion topic back when gears started this. Now, I'd like to welcome you all to the debate room. First topic? Quinn and Gears are both Elims. Discuss.

Lmao no, but my vote on order was almost all self pres, and if there was a chance of yall switching last minute to someone else, i wasnt going to make him a potential target by saying i thought he was the doctor.

Lol can you put the quinklink in next time so i can find it without having to search for it 1- noting the "we" from Tani. 2- forgot about this earlier: i really thought TUO was gonna flip doctor if village. Saying youd go to provide cover is a useless thing to say unless youre the doctor trying to deflect. 3- i think tied votes remaining as they are rn is fine, i think theres info either way in the people wanting to kill both, and in the people advocating for not doing so

Confusion? What confusion? The "confusion" i mentioned, if i mentioned any, was *your* confusion. Your confusion in mixing up Archer and me. I think the main point is that i answered differently from everyone else, who said Agent. And I guess you, who said Elims. Sarts reasoning was that he supposedly didnt think my logic checked out about the doctor not reviving people. Im not going to be convinced that it's worth it. I was under the impression that codes were allowed as long as they could be solved and not by a computer system. I suppose the rules may have changed since the new update though.

Depending on the cycle it could be just what the elims need to get an advantage. And its not for the whole game, because if someone was killed then they might end up being confirmed village if revived, which means that they will die again. So say theres 10 people left in the game: Doc and tuo go to hospital, 4-4, elims gain advantage, they shoot tuo or other. Also on that, TUO, you announcing the "cover" makes that "cover" meaningless. Then they come back, two village dead which puts the village at 5-4, yadda yadda As opposed to being at 6-4 and having those 6 votes.

Also i dont know what to call this inactivity from az, but im not ready to call it Elim indicative.

Also In response to the people, the post is not "all about why TUO, Tani, And Szeth are suspicious" The question is: are people's sensitivities to this because either it mentions them or they're an Elim and it mentions their teammate? If Quinn is an Elim here, being hypersensitive to seeing the names of her teammates, then I could mark Exp/Quinn as Elims, and then make another connection for TUO/Quinn for her trying to redirect the lynch onto me. This could fit with the e/e speculation between TUO and Exp, imo. I need to go shower and get ready for work now, but TUO EDIT: I feel a bit like I'm confbiasing but I don't have enough time to go through the thread (well, I guess more than 50 minutes, which is what I just spent, waking up at 6 :P. I don't really think it would matter either because people have a habit of not really listening to dead people's older posts, even if I did happen to be right :P. so eh. I don't really have a read on Sart despite his post. i feel like it follows very standard logic, and I can see an Elim writing it up just as much as a villager. Still marking Szeth village at the moment for mixing up me and Archer.

Eek. Sorry. I meant to get on last night but I fell asleep. Again. They don't need someone in the hospital to kill a visitor. See, I'd agree here, but this is what pinged me in...what game? the last game that we killed TUO in Day 1. ? wh- ?? Honestly reading this Elim. Both the "I assumed I said that" and "you seem cool" @Azmine_king get your RVS vote off me nerd honestly not ever wanting to play this card because it's just not nice, but I'd keep an eye on the people who are usually against killing people D1 who die early. I just died D1 and then N2 in the last games, so I should make that list, but even the people like Quinn seem perfectly fine killing me. Not even a "I know they didn't get to play the last two games, but they're very suspicious", just a "eh why not kill an Illwei again" I had something to say about TUO but I don't remember it, so someone post please if you can before my next post EDIT: aw no one posted. I doubt people will be on anyways. Oh there's this I already explained my thoughts on XP before, and it wasn't a post dedicated to why those three were suspicious, just the things I thought stood out to me in the cycle so far. It's not extremely helpful, but after thinking, it's "your meta". Meaning I remember you telling me that you don't vote D1 when we were Elims together, but I don't remember whether that held for the other games we played. how? Everyone's responses: I'm suspicious because I didn't answer one or the other? I think the answer truly doesn't matter to me, as it's a village loss either way. And if I were to make reads off of these answers I'd honestly probably mark Quinn village for being the only one to say the Elims. Why would not sharing be wasting an action? I was going to comment on not liking this but I don't know how to take the "thinking I was Archer" thing. If it was planned between two Elims then Archer would have had a stronger reaction, so it's not e/e. I still do think that archer is looking suspicious off of it based on his way-too-chill response. Also, if you manage to revive someone from the hospital, it's practically a 1-1 trade, so it doesn't do much. I stand by my opinions that losing a vote for a cycle isn't woth having a maybe confirmed villager.

Man, its been a while since Gears claimed Elim last. I mean, this was his intended outcome. Not the votes, but to be able to potentially slip up and people not know either way. Sigh.

Well. Those are new :P.

Is it? :P.

I want to clarify that my thought process on this should only be applied from me for this game, with this neutral. EDIT: I don't think this is a role madness :P. and perhaps 2 engineers, but I don't expect too many

Again, Tani asked opinions, So I shared :P. It's the same feeling like how I don't really count wins if I died early and was village. Sure it's a team game but it's not my win. The effort and satisfaction that goes into winning the game will feel the same to me whether It's specifically declared a village win or not, if we caught all the elims.

I'm going to throw a vote on Experience Right now. Noted: - Don't like TUO's "this will probably come off later", because that gives him reason to remove if XP gets more pressure, and it also defeats the purpose in a way of voting someone to pressure them at all. - I think tani's question is mostly meaningless- answer wise. The Elims have to kill all the villagers to live. So even if all the villagers know who the elims are, the elims then I guess either have to work out and kill the agent first, or work out other things. Idk. So villagers don't really chose a side there - I think the distro is 11-4-1, and 10-5-1 feels too little (EDIT: TOO MANY. TOO MANY ELIMS. NOT TOO LITTLE ELIMS.). The Elims have functionally won once they outnumber everyone else- the only thing left for them to do is to find the agent and kill them first before the rest of the village. So that's still 4 cycles to get down to 3-1-4 in a perfect Elim game. - I think the arguments about the Neutral being a threat have no weight, as their kill would only be used in endgame, where maybe it's two villagers and them, or them and a villager vs. the elims, or Villagers with one Elim left. killing off earlier than that doesn't really help them as much Imo, and if we are winning then they don't have any incentive to kill off a trusted/important town role. - If there's only one engineer in this game, I'd assume it would be an Elim. - Again, I don't really have a problem with the Agent winning instead of the village. I'm not gonna actively try and help them ofc (if there even is a way to do that), but I'm not going to try and delay the game if we think they have all 5 parts upgraded or whatnot. - Szeth and Tani both voted on themselves - Tani and TUO voted on Striker. - Immediately more suspicious of all three because TUO didn't even stay on Exp like he said he wanted to Tani and Szeth haven't made a significant vote (only on them, or on the GM)

Killing the GM is soooooooo last month, smh

This kinda needs to be decided though, because the deadline is tomorrow.

Tani no

you never even noticed my name change smh

I think it doesn't matter to me personally. If the Elims have an engineer and they lose, then good for the Agent I guess. If I was an Elim I wouldn't very much care if I was declared the winner or not, because technically I would have won. Same way I feel about village. If we catch all the Elims I'll feel the same if it's declared an Agent win or a Village win.

/shrug they might have been waiting for a final deciding vote let's just hope it's not an alt :P.

@Devotary of Spontaneity too: My thought is that, yes, they revive someone who might almost be confirmed good, but that just puts a target on both them and you. You go to the hospital and you might get NKd, is why thought. that basically gives you a) a cycle with one less vote, with less discussion, b.) a 1-1 trade for a doctor-almost confirmed good, and then that person most likely dies again. sure, this can be maybe avoided by multiple people going, but that, again, means that we lose votes and discussion.

Technically voting was supposed to be over yesterday but the mods never elaborated on what was going to happen lmao