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  1. |TJ|
    I get it bro, I do. From your perspective, I absolutely do. You have to go through tiers and then revise your reads and everything. Yes that's how the village game works. It's just annoying for me is all. Like I said, for me they're right there. I filed 4 Artificery EPs in T1M2, so any elevation in Artificery should have happened with 4 or more EPs. Bro, why are you overthinking so much bro. You are freaking out a lot about an expelled player. Look, fine let's consider I'm evil for your perspective. I'm a Yllish Commoner. There is no way I could afford an Assassin. And even if I could, I cannot target players at the University. Please use your resources on the rest of the players. "Full Physicking Roleblock" smh >>
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    you said you'd be sleeping kas, smh Honestly, it's just frustration because to me, I know the last elims are probably the scanners and the quicker you get your proof the quicker you move to them. Szeth needs to die though yeah. And yeah, lack of proof has not stopped post-expulsion revisions, but let's be honest. It's going to take something really relying for you to move on the scanners. It's like, gahhhh they're right there smhhh. And that's why it doesn't matter who I think the team is or if my team is inconsistent. The minute the accusation was made, all I could think of about the team was "the team is whoever is involved in this + szeth".
  3. |TJ|
    I haven't had to defend myself from a fake scan till now though. You are honestly not looking at it from my perspective. Because I'm trying to think of the reasons why elims would do this, and this is genuinely one of the options. Pardon, but it's different when it happens to you. I am not blaming you for making this case. That is your job. My job is to let you know you're wrong. I'm not the player who can just give up and accept his fate. I will make my case. You know me bro, you know I hate getting ML'ed. And I doubly hate it when the choice to make my case is taken from me (like a fake-scan, but also like a hammer in the endgame), but damn it if I do not try. I'll be the first to raise my hand up and say it was not my best game. I did mention to you prior to the game that I just wanted to chill and do my own thing. I just wanted to make Master smh ;-; And I didn't want to go Insane before making Master. That's all there is to it. It does seems a bit selfish, but I just wanted to chill this game, sigh >> And honestly I am tired and have a headache and need to sleep too but I'll end with this - What is the plan then? I assume, expel me and then expel Szeth. What happens if the game is not over then? Because I guarantee you, the game will not be over then, unless it is a weird team of Araris, Mat, Szeth. Only then would you go for the scanners? Because I don't know how you will get the proof that I'm village before that. The game not being over will be only the proof of it.
  4. |TJ|
    Huh? That’s always how I defend myself? Give action/mechanism proof that I’m village and then move onto how the elim team behaved uncharacteristically for a team with me in it or I behaved uncharacteristically to be an elim. That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about the cycle with the missing kill. You clearly believe TKN is village, so you don’t think the roleblocker blocked the elim kill. So the alternative is that you believe a team with me in it deliberately did not send in a kill. I would never ever underestimate your ability for behind-the-scenes shenanigans. If I was evil, I would have killed you t1m1. No doubt about it. 2 players cannot buy them at the same time? I don’t know man, I’m just trying to figure out the whole thing. There are 8 players left. It just doesn't make sense. I don't know, bro. I don't know anything that happened. You are the one with the context. Presumably, the plan is yours. You know who was the one who suggested my name. If it was you, then elims would have no problem going ahead with it, they know one of theirs isn't in trouble. It’s not fear-mongering smhhh, I genuinely do not know the point of a fake scan on me at this point in time. So it is legit the only thing I can think of. That is - a. They’re close to winning AND/OR b. They really need Szeth to survive OR b. The whole thing is so convoluted that it is not possible to find out the origin of the like, so they think they are safe. My most confident guess is that they need Szeth to survive. Or else none of it makes sense. Szeth Szeth
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    I have no idea what any of this means but somewhere along the way, but somewhere along the way there's been a mistake or a deliberate misdirection. And it's worse because without knowing what happened, I cannot even prove myself. Check. Again. All it takes is one lie to get the contrary result. Even if nothing comes of it, please note the points where a lie could have been generated. So, what you think the team is I'm teamed up with TKN? Because you either believe that or you think e!me would actually forego a kill again? Especially with what happened with Bort in LG83 when we skipped a kill but the roleblocker mistakenly got the right answer. And you know I have randed evil quite often lately. I had decided prior to this game if I rolled evil and you were village, I would not have the bandwidth or the energy to engage with you and would kill you very early. I would have probably killed in you in the very first month if I had randed evil again. An eerie feeling like it's similar to Drake's fake scan from MR42 accompanied by a hoard of kills. If Szeth and/or TKN were a part of your plan, and if you know if they visited Imre in the past, 2 Assassin kills + 1 ML + 1 Sabotage is not beyond the realm of possibility. If Szeth is evil, then it's literally a do-or-die cycle for them.
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    Yeah, this is straight up a lie. No one that could have targeted me because I used Pickpocket and I got no money (literally got i did not have anyone to pickpocket) which is a proof that no one targeted me. Pickpocket of lower levels only work if someone targets me. Not a definite proof in any way, but the best I can do. Check your claimer.
  7. |TJ|
    maybe i was already content with the level of protection i had hmm? :P. honestly, prior to the game I just wanted to make master, so I chose the extra EP to make master asap. yeah, I mentioned it to kas but I'm leaning STINK over Szeth at the moment. I feel like although I do think STINK's content is not much greater than Szeth's in terms of differentiating CC and non-CC complaint, STINK has that connection to TKN - Kas' hypothesis that STINK's lashings might have forced TKN to submit the kill, because I agree, TKN is a weird choice to submit kills. Also, hints of a frame-job in that JNV kill. Because Kas mentioned in the thread that if JNV gets killed then the roleblocker would be a suspect. And JNV does get killed which makes me wonder if that was the exact purpose of the kill. Which is why leaning towards v!RBer and e!TKN.
  8. |TJ|
    @Archer, wym why im staying in windy tower? it gots extra ep bruv. a. any reason why you want to cc at this stage of the game? b. any reason why szeth over steel?
  9. |TJ|
    kas bro i'm a commoner, what's this about me living in ankers? smh i'm in the windy tower for this term. TKN TKN Salva had messed up. In the midst of his brilliant idea to get people to like him, he'd screwed up royally. He had been quickly gaining reputation of a quiet lonely kid in the corner. the need to show everyone that he was fun was at an all-time high. Stables were not the right location for him to showcase his pyrotechnics. Sadly, he'd realised too late as his spell went wrong and he'd lit bales of hay on fire. If that wasn't enough, some horses were lounging very next to the said fiery bales and they'd galloped away from their house with their tails on fire. Salva looked at the disaster through the gaps on his fingers covering his face. All he wanted was to impress some of his friends. It shouldn't have been so hard. Though, looking at their faces, he recognised admiration on their faces. They were laughing but it seemed like their laughter wasn't directed at him. A smile escaped his lips and he let his arms down, basking in the moment for once. He was definitely in trouble with the Masters, he had no doubt. But it was a small price to pay for this tiny sliver of rebellion. And if you had asked him, he'd say he would do it all over again. And that is how Salva found himself in front of the entire assembly of students and masters, brought to dais, being asked to speak his truth. He keeps it simple and short. He really doesn't need to say anything more that "I'm sorry I set the stables on fire accidentally", even if he couldn't stop grinning when he said it. @little wilson, please note the public apology.
  10. |TJ|
    still unsure tbh. but not really thinking too much about him as if he's elim then he's already been expelled. i am interested in connections to and from him though. if he intends to keep posting in the thread, the namedrops will either not exists or they'd be too ikyk-y to prevent hinting at connections if he's evil, so i'll be on the lookout for that. edit - speaking of szeth, i received a pm from them asking if i was evil. a very eerie callback to the very first pm i received playing SE from lord silber, with the exact same wordings. back when i was naive enough to think that perhaps such a question would not be asked from an elim. and lord silber ended up being an elim. i did wonder if it was the same case here. like, what is the purpose behind the question?
  11. |TJ|
    very weak point about araris imo. there's no way e!araris just simply stops trying to fake effort and try to appear village just because of expulsion. and what I think I have observed about v!archer before is he has this tendency to think any other reads different or diametrically opposing his are suspicious. Here with the opinion that sart and stink are two different votes, he is exhibiting the same which i think is a village indication. hesitant to say this as e!archer could have figured this tell out and be using it but i don't think I've mentioned it before. because i disagree that sart and stink are different votes for me. I read through m3 and both their posts pinged me off wrong. sart's lazy and misrepresenting vote on me and stink for his vote on araris. again disagree with the sheeping comment because I don't recall anyone bringing up my points so i went back to check - i was the second and only other vote on stink, i was the second vote on sart. the pony protected me :).
  12. |TJ|
    Three months had whizzed by and Salva had done nothing. Of course, he was diligent in his studies and was an exemplary student, not deviating from an ideal pupil but he hadn't done anything he had set out to do. He had just gone through the first term just by keeping to himself. He had promised himself things would be different. That he'd try to make friends but he felt he was a bit paradoxical in nature. He wanted friends, of course he did. A man is a social being after all. Anyone who says anything different is a liar. But he also reveled and relished solitude quite possibly like no other person. There was something absolutely calming about being completely at peace with oneself. He wasn't 'settling' to be a loner, it was that he enjoyed it at times. He wished he could have both. He wished he was outgoing and social while also enjoying his alone time. But with friends and connections come expectations and when expectations are not met, it inevitably leads to heartbreak. Perhaps today would be the day it changes. Perhaps it doesn't have to be a drastic change either. It could start with a single person. And perhaps, no matter how absurd it sounded, he could find someone just like him, someone who doesn't feel the pressure to fill every silence with words or assume every gap in a conversation is awkward. Someone would be happy that they're sad. Someone who could experience joyful melancholy. Quick, pure gut reads - mat - lately i been reading mat and archer evil by default at the beginning of the game idk why. feels a bit too worried about money but worry feels genuine. unsure. kas - rp heavy but also not budging from village duty, doesn't feel like hiding behind rp, helpful player analysis. village. tkn - dont really recall a lot of posts but apology for voting on kas felt genuine. steel - started with gut evil m1 post. but really non-existent activity and kas reminded me dgaf!steel is high evidence for v!steel wonko - don't recall posts. mark to re-read. archer - felt quite evil till last cycle but posts this cycle make me feel quite better. unsure. ashbringer - don't remember non-rp posts. leaning more towards rp in rp-analysis scale. shades of dingo because of it. but much more active here compared to dingo which is giving me pause. leaning evil though. araris valerian - unsure. don't recall being activity prior this cycle. seems engaging this cycle. might have to reread posts from earlier cycles. szeth pancakes - don't recall posts. mark to re-read. stink - gut evil from that vote on araris this cycle. sart - gut evil from posts this cycle. also not seeing how my votes were opportunistic last cycle. sidenote - this is to prevent a loss by field destruction. i see myself agreeing with kas' earlier comments that he assumed elims will go for straight win rather than field destruction, more obvious because we can keep an eye on players with multiple elevations and it'd be easier to pinpoint them if there indeed is a field destruction.
  13. |TJ|
    sorry, yet to get into the game, but finding archer's obsession with double-voting drake a bit weird. drake a bit claim bait-y in PMs, something to look forward too. remember myself agreeing with the vote on steel from t1m1 but really can't seem to recall why. hopefully will get to re-read before eom and get to form a clearer picture.
  14. |TJ|
    Salva was always a quiet boy while growing up. He didn't make friends easily, but once he did, they were family. He'd grow so comfortable with them, they'd be more closer to him than his own family. And now he had to do it all over again. The beginning is always the most difficult part - the insecurities, fear of judgment, the awkwardness - everything made Salva just want to go hide in a corner and do his own thing. But no, what was the point of his new found freedom if he just repeated his life from before. He did not know any of these people, why would he care for their judgment? So what if he did something embarrassing? They'd find it funny for a moment and then forget about him. The upsides would be far greater and worth the risk of mild humiliation from the people he'd likely not care about. He could run away, he supposed, but he wanted to create a life for himself away from his family. He'd have to find a family for himself here and he finally did not care if he was too socially inept to try. He would make an effort nonetheless.
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    Salva walked around the building looking impressed. He hadn't really wanted to attend the University but he was quite bored of the monotonous life he was living so far and wanted a changed. Oh, that and his father. He really couldn't take it anymore. Couldn't stay in the house any longer as it had become unbearable. It wasn't abuse in the literal sense of the word, it was more like he was frustrated with Salva's literal existence. Nothing he did could pacify his father, he'd always found fault in each and every thing, from possibly a daily chore all the way to major life decisions. He had to sit through his father's teeth-grinding lecture repeating the same things over and over again, but he couldn't snap. Oh no, if there's on thing his hypocritical father hated more that anything, it was showing anger towards him. Even the slightest raised voice would have him tearing his hair out. That is when things did get abusive so Salva never gave it a chance. He always reigned it in in front of his father and let it all go when he was alone. Be it punching the walls or screaming at the top of his voice, Salve needed to vent out his frustrations or else he'd either go crazy or snap at his father. He'd have run away a long time ago but his mother was a sweetheart. She would have been heartbroken if he'd left and father was nothing but a doting, loving husband for her. She had a strong sense of duty towards her family and her husband. She'd never have left with me and I would never made her choose. It truly was a no-brainer when he had the opportunity to join the University. Anything to get away from this place which also gave a perfect excuse for Salva to get away without feeling guilty about running away from his mother. One final lecture to endure about the etiquette and behaviour in University from his father and he was off, tasting freedom like he never had before.
  16. |TJ|
    gg guys! couldnt be as active as i wished but had fun plotting with Mat and deTess!
  17. |TJ|
    Totally winging this because work hates me rn, but count me in as Salva.
  18. |TJ|
    Yeah, but I'm A Fighter. There's definitely one who isn't me because these are my actions - c1 - fought archer, top suspect c2 - fought archer, top suspect, wanted to kill him and didn't think he'd get eliminated. wasn't there for rollover. c3 - after ash revealed he was fought, i had this niggling suspicion based on paranoia that tkn could be e!fighter so fought tkn (note that i could have tried to kill ash here after his reveal if i was evil). @Ashbringer, your fight was not from my side. if i had to theorize, i think devotary was e!fighter. i also received a silver knife the cycle after devotary died, so i'm assuming i inherited it from her. mildly suspecting aman-mat team now, disliking how mat is terming aman's case on me in his PMs as mild when he knows very well that it was in PMs that he tried to do the same thing in that earlier game. i feel like mat is very relaxed against the threat of e!aman. if the game still goes on after i die, meaning one elim is left and it's 2v1 situation, my money is on aman.
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    another e!aman trigger for me is when he's village reading me for most of the game and when it's near endgame he starts being ambiguous towards me and starts being sowing suspicion about me and starts pitting the villagers against me. aman i do hesitate because it's not as strong this game as it was in that e!Thug!Aman game or the one which ended with e!Aman, e!Orlok, me and Mat. the desperation was a lot more in those games, but perhaps because aman was on the defence back then. i honestly don't have anything else. [@Matrim's Dice, asking you to recall aman's play in that game and how he was trusting me for most of the game and the last cycle he tried to play us against each other, I think this is similar on a milder scale] a little glance towards ash - elim kill analysis is a hint of v!ash but i feel this particular one is not an honest analysis. because ash, when have i ever been killed for my inactivity, irrespective of my level of activeness? why doesn't it happen? i don't know, i guess it's just part of the meta, my activity is low for the first couple of cycles, elims go for low-info kills. my activity picks up usually but by the time there are higher threats to the elim team and i manage to make it to endgame. my other part of the argument is about the change in behaviour itself. i'd argue that it's a part of se meta now that standard elim tactics are to initially go for low-info kills initially and then deal with either high-threat players or consensus-village players. this is common knowledge which is making me suspect the intention of this kill analysis. mat, i'm honestly not sure, i think he feels very naturally laid back and calm, which is v!mat hint but this is purely a gut read. aman > ash > mat > tkn
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    sorry boys, work was been really hectic and not really able to give time to this game. wanted to hop on just before starting work - im starting to get paranoid about aman... volunteering to get killed and then getting revived is eerily e!aman reminiscent. i always get paranoid of e!aman close to endgame smh. i'll try to rr after work today.
  21. |TJ|
    i keep thinking back to the interaction between archer and devotary where they're talking about the likelihood of a two member team and with this cycles voting pattern, im still holding onto my archer-devo team theory. i still trust wonko. level of trust in my tkn slightly reduced but that archer-tkn interaction is still very similar to the previous game so unlikely to shake it off. mildly leaning village towards aman as well, supposed involvement in shade doc determine and read alpha better a good look.
  22. |TJ|
    pardon, had quite a busy weekend. iirc when I suspected archer in the previous recent games his response has been between mild replies to non-obvious ignoring. Seeing a difference here where he's going on the offence, not sure if the difference is from village alignment or different play style but gut says former. still feel something off though. still suspect mat. but also the shift off from devo last cycle was also weird, it felt like there was an effort to save her. still feel something up with archer-devo e/e. village - wonko, tkn evil - mat, archer, devo
  23. |TJ|
    gut village feeling from alpha's claim but a very weak one, as it doesn't really feel like a reaction test. not really sure what it is, felt it alpha determined it before the beginning of the game that they were going to claim. other stuff in the above amans post shows evidence of involved!aman, so scaling back on that evil read. its not just involved, hes also theorizing and discussing tactics to win. agreed with that the 'alpha shoot me' plan is ikyk so im confused why propose it but not really seeing the motivation for an elim to do it unless evil with alpha. could be e!aman obviously knows alphas alignment. if alpha is village, aman could be posturing because 'i am willing to die' always brings out village read on him instinctually, but ehhh doesn't really feel like it [understand detess (mild gut village for noticing the possible village appeasement attempt) to vote on this particular reason, but my gut says its not e!aman style]. more likely that they are e/e and wanted to backtrack alpha's claim for some reason and they know aman isnt going to die from nk to give alpha the village read. this feels like it has the higher probability, so need to watch for alpha-aman team in the future. tl;dr - if aman evil, its more likely to be together with alpha rather than without. but also reading alpha mild village. what does that say about my aman read? currently unsure :P. oh and the reason for your ash vote? my gut appreciates of gut-read (talking about ash's vote on devo) but really don't like him leaving the choice open to pivot to alpha later. okaaaaay, unsure about my gut village read on alpha. im not sure if that 'we' in the quoted statement is a slip or deliberate because the 'we' is sounding a lot like an 'elim we'. somethings happening there with archer-devo, not quite sure. but gut evil on this response - because this is a non-answer. its not really a reason to vote on someone but i also don't think it is the reason why you voted on devo. archer also possible e/e here. gut says archer is leaving room for himself to move onto someone else with the question. @Matrim's Dice talk to me, uninvolved/non-inquisitive/holding back mat is always not a good sign. similar to my earlier aman read - gut evil by absence. village - wonko, tkn, detess unsure - aman, alpha, devo null - jnv evil - archer, mat, ash edit - ninja'd by mat. so my last point is nullified, don't really have an opinion about the post. im heading to sleep now, night.
  24. |TJ|
    aight, i really liked my play last game so will be playing on instinct again. not sure if wonko means first kill or the first elimination (latter is quite obvious, former not so, but I do agree) but either way, seeing this coming from a village mindset. gut village. aman gut evil. quiet aman, posted but less speaking aman, speaking but not really speaking aman, gut immediately says evil aman. gut village, this interaction very much feels like in the same vein as that in the last game, particularly the one i noticed in the reread which made me hesitate to vote on tkn in the cycle kas made a case for him and he garnered quite a bit of votes. archer tkn not e/e. response to archer similar to last game. and its 3am and ill go to sleep.
  25. |TJ|
    Aight, I was holding off as I did not want to dip into this and KKC at the same time but sign me up. Think that should be 6 including JNV.
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