Zefandrius

7 minutes ago, Honorless said:

Ghostbloods probably not given that we've seen of their top membership present there and The Diagram specifically needed Malata to open the Oathgates in OB so nope

We haven't seen all of the Heralds yet and we don't know anything of what the Heralds thought of the Singers so far.

That is a pretty good point. But, what would one of the heralds want with Taln's blade. They willingly gave up there own and never wished to go retrieve it...I do think that a few of the heralds are in fact involved in a lot of things going on. I have been suspicious that one of the ghostbloods might be a truthwatcher. Would explain how they always have so much info that doesn't make sense how they would know.

16 minutes ago, Honorless said:

So far it's been RAFO'd, so it's quite plot relevant, aside from the usual suspects, the secret societies, it could also have been a switch made by another Herald.

Idk, I doubt was another herald. Most of them truly believed that the singers weren't coming back or were completely crazy. Seems more likely to be someone in kholinar part of a secret organization that knew the heralds would return. Maybe a diagram member or ghost blood.

13 minutes ago, Honorless said:

Again, no. Taln arrived on Roshar at that time in Kholinar, hence the rambling and the arrival of the Last Desolation. Brandon also talks about this factually, as far as I can tell and recall. We have no reason to suspect this.

I agree, but still brings the question. Where is Taln's honorblade? Someone had to have swapped it in kholinar. Someone who knew for a fact that he was a herald. Someone who had access to a shardblade. Perhaps a member of sons of honor that still remained in kholinar? Dont know why Hoid would replace it. He trusts Dalinar...

12 minutes ago, Honorless said:

Will Szeth just tell them if they asked, "they" being the current holder of his oathstone?

@Zefandrius,

There's a timeline discrepancy there with Gavilar's assassination and Taln's arrival.

And Taln did arrive in Kholinar with his own blade, it was swapped later before he was transported to the Shattered Plains.

He didnt tell the parshindi until they pressed him. They only found him because of a "voice", which I think was a void spren, that told them how to find him in kholinar. Even then I dont think he told them he had an honorblade. Only that he had abilities. Though I am sure they figured it out. He went through dozens of masters and never told them about the blade. Regardless, they knew Szeth could escape. So i doubt they referred to him when they mentioned an honorblade. As for Taln's arrival in Kholinar it never said how long he was on Roshar before arriving there. Could have been years, we dont know.

10 minutes ago, The traveller said:

I do not remember this mention made by Eshonai of leaving an honorblade back in Kholinar. But interesting. 
I always thought that Hoid did something with the honorblade. May be he took it on the journey to shattered plains and left in its place a deadeye Shardblade. So, no suspicion can come on him. 

That is possible. Perhaps he thought that he would be too mad to protect it properly. But, why not stay with him to make sure Dalinar got it? But yes, after the battle when sadeas betrayed dalinar and kaliden fought eshonai. She spoke with the 5 and they mentioned Kaliden glowing. She said, "It could have been an honorblade. We left one in Kholinar that night."

That line seems to bother me. How would they have an honorblade?

14 hours ago, KandraAllomancer said:

I just stumbled upon it by accident - as it turns out, there was a historical event called the Night of Sorrows (La Noche Triste), during which the Spanish conquistadors (and their native allies) were driven out of Tenochtitlan. I wonder if it could have been any inspiration for Stormlight plot (possible given that Brandon probably researched Aztec history for the Aztlanian). If so, I see at least two possibilities for what Odium's Night of Sorrows could be:

• taking Urithiru from the Radiants
• driving Honor's forces out of Roshar

What do you think?

Well, that does make sense. Taking Urithiru would be a strategic stronghold if it can be taken by odium. Though, I am not sure how they will be able to use the oath gate. As for driving out honors forces. Odium already said he cannot leave fragments of honor behind like he once thought. Which would explain why he is so determined to exterminate the humans. Makes perfect sense to me.

10 honourblades for each of the heralds. We know that moash ended up with 1 at the end of OB. 7 others are owned by Szeth's people still and herald of justice has his own blade. Taln's blade is the 10th but when he arrived in kholinar he did not have it and instead had an ordinary shardblade. So where is his honorblade? Speculations?

There is 1 quote that kind of bothers me. Eshonai mentioned to the 5 that they had left an honourblade in kholinar when they fled after assassinating Gavilar. This could be her referencing Szeth but that doesn't make sense. They know he succeeded and could get away. Perhaps it was Taln's blade that they left? But, how could they have gotten it?

35 minutes ago, Gilphon said:

I mean, there's not really any mention of those spheres being perfect gems, and I kinda feel like we would've seen some sign of it by now if they were. Like Navani thinking 'I wonder why he got so obsessed with with hunting down the most valuable gems in the world?' or something like that. 

Which is another reason I don't think they contained any Unmade. Well, he might've had Yelig-nar, since that one voluntarily hangs out in non-perfect gems and Aesudan got hold of it in Kholinar somehow, but I doubt he had any of the others. 

Well, we do know that he tried to bond with an unmade. Aesudan said as much. I dont think it was Yelig-nar or else why would she not say that he tried to bond to the same one. Instead she just says he tried to bond one and failed but that she had in fact bonded one. I still think the black gem was significant somehow otherwise it wouldn't have been added. From my experience in all books by BS he doesn't add insignificant details. They all have a purpose. Storms he has admitted to reading his own books multiple times while writing the sequels to make sure he doesn't forget plot threads. It may not have had an unmade in it. It's just a theory, but there is definitely something significant about it that will be teased out later.

54 minutes ago, Gilphon said:

For the record, I don't think that Gavilar's black spheres contained BAM, or indeed any of the Unmade. I think they just contained Voidspren. More specifically, I think the one he gave to Eshonai contained Ulim, thus explaining how Ulim had been managing talking to Venli for years before the rest of the Voidspren got off Braize. 

I feel like Gavilar would've treated a sphere containing of the Unmade a bit more casually than handing it off to a random translator, y'know? And, heck, given how he was talking, he might've just released BAM himself if he had the chance. 

As for where BAM's prison is- it was mentioned that a Bank in Celebrant has some perfect gems, so that seems like a possibility.

It is an interesting theory. Though voidspren are just lesser spren of odium and can be trapped in imperfect gems. No reason to have them in such a rare valuable gem. He did say he didnt want them to get it. He must have known that Szeth's people revered last requests. This is why I believe it held an unmade or it could be a perfect enough gem to capture odium. Gavilar did tell Eshonai that there were gems powerful enough to capture a god. Though I am not sure if he meant gods as in: honour, odium, and cultivation. He could have meant souls of the fused, the singer gods.

7 minutes ago, Ookla the Quill said:

We know that there was supposedly another Unmade involved: Dai-gonarthis. Perhaps an attempted rescue of BAM's prison.

Very possible! Though not sure what Dai-gonarthis' abilities are. Possible that they imprisoned that one too. Leaving it alongside BAM.

11 minutes ago, Ookla the Nameless said:

It's extremely likely that one of Gavilar's spheres is this prison but we have no idea how he got his hands on those things at present. One assumes that the Radiants who imprisoned BAM put the gemstone somewhere they thought it would be safe. Aimia wouldn't necessarily be a bad bet, except that as far as we know its secrets are still being kept. It's not hard to imagine other places on Roshar where you could hide a small object and be fairly certain it won't be stumbled upon, especially if you've got surgebinders who can get at places not easily accessible by ordinary people.

I forgot about Aimia. Could explain why it is so well guarded. Though I dont remember it being mentioned when the destruction of Aimia occured. Perhaps it occured when the strikeforce attempted to imprison her and there was a crazy battle. Though I suspect it had something to do with the soulcasters. But, that would be an interesting plot thread.

24 minutes ago, KandraAllomancer said:

We know that a gemstone containing a spren can be split into parts without releasing the spren - that's how spanreeds work. Maybe that's how you make sure that an Unmade doesn't escape (assuming you can't release them without all/most fragments)?

Perhaps she is trapped in the gem that glowed black that Gavilar gave to Szeth? Aesudan said that Gavilar attempted to bond an unmade but was unsuccessful. If he attempted to bond similar to how Aesudan bonded to Yelig-nar.

6 minutes ago, Ookla the Nameless said:

We don't know the circumstances surrounding Re-Shepir's apparent imprisonment to be able to say whether it was done in the same manner proposed for Ba-Ado-Mishram and seen with Nergaoul. Since the Gem Archive was recorded just before the plan was enacted and it described imprisoning BAM as making use of the theory that an Unmade could be captured like an ordinary spren (see here) it sounds like whatever was done to Re-Shephir was different, otherwise it wouldn't be a theoretical possibility but a tested fact. It's possible that the imprisonment used an unrelated method but another possibility that seems likely is that Re-Shephir was imprisoned in an imperfect gem which sufficed for a time and gave the Radiants the idea that a perfect gemstone would contain an Unmade indefinitely.

That does make sense. But, if she is still imprisoned then where is the prison? Surely such a powerful unmade they wouldn't have just left her anywhere that someone could find it. Or maybe generations of a single family have protected it for 4 millennia. If she had gotten loose surely she would have freed the parsh from slavery to rebel long ago.

13 minutes ago, KandraAllomancer said:

Still imprisoned, I guess.

Gavilar's black spheres are a popular candidate - we know he was investigating the cause of the slaveform and he seemed to have been on the right track

In the beginning of OB the midnight mother had once been imprisoned. If she could escape, or be released, then why wouldn't the smartest of the unmade not figure out how to get out?

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Ba-Ado-Mishram somehow connected with the parsh people like odium once did. She provides voidlight and facilitates forms of power. Our strike team is going to imprison her.

From drawer 30-20

4th Emerald

As far as we know she is still imprisoned? There is very few references to her in SA. Is she still imprisoned? Or escaped?

Or have I missed something?

21 hours ago, Sarah B said:

@GoWibble 

@TheTraveler

The genre of this story is scifi with an oldschool creature feature/suspense slant.

I love the scifi classics like The Island of Doctor Morou, Doctor Jeckle and Mr. Hyde, Frankenstein, the Invisible Man and The Time Machine that were considered Horror in their time but seem a lot closer to psychological thrillers and suspense now.

I'm nowhere near that skill level, but those are some of my influences. Something to aim for right? 

I'm new to the Reading Excuses system but I thought the story submissions are emailed to participants. Should I tag your name on the critique thread @TheTraveler?

 

Sounds like it will be interesting. I will love to read some as well.

9 hours ago, BethG said:

Maybe.  Interesting.  But Tarah wasn’t developed enough to make me WANT her to be back in Kaladin’s life.  He wasn’t really in love with her or he wouldn’t have let her leave so easily.  Brandon would need to do a HUGE storyline with her for me to like them together.  Kaladin needs an INCREDIBLE significant other.

I dont know but we will soon see. He has to be mentioning her for a reason. I think it is a seed that Brandon is cultivating for later.

I think it will be Tarah. She has been mentioned several times and I have a strong feeling she will show up. Maybe very soon! There was a particular part in OB when shallan was in a tavern practicing espionage. One of the women in the bar was an alethi woman wearing a thalin dress. Now i may be a bit overly suspicious but i dont think that would be something many alethi would wear. She was described as acting strange looking around as if searching for someone. Perhaps my mind is just stretching but I think it was Tarah who was in the war camps and heard of storm blessed saving dalinars army and was just hoping she would stumble across him. Perhaps I am wrong and just coincidence but would be interesting.

They had to have been found in stormseat. The parshendi hadn't encountered humans since the last legions. They hadn't ever left the shattered plains. That's why they were so astonished when king gavilar showed them the maps just before he admitted his plans to bring back the voidbringers in an attempt to get the herald's to return. It doesn't seem reasonable they could have attained them from other humans. Perhaps this is why the fused were attacking caravans on the shattered plains outside of narak. It was convenient to attack the caravans to make sure kaladin and bridge 4 didnt give chase while they searched for more shardblades in the ruins of narak. King gavilar knew they had shardblades, though I do not believe this is why he wanted the treaty.

5 minutes ago, Honorless said:

Awesome! Question barrage: fav character, magic system, Shardworld, Radiant Order, Allomantic power, Feruchemical power, Shard

Well, that is indeed a barrage of questions. Favorite character I am sure can figure out by my name is Hoid/Cephandrius though neither of those names are his real name I believe. I do love stormlight archive so I suppose a tie between Kaliden and Dalinar for second place. Not really partial to any specific order though if I have to choose I suppose windrunner or skybreaker...only because I wish I could fly. Hahaha!

I have read all of mistborn and stormlight archive so far as well most of the individual character books related to them like edgedancer...so far oathbringer is my favorite and very excited for book 4...

68% Windrunner

39% Willshaper

39% Stoneward

29% Elsecaller

24% Bondsmith

18% Edgedancer

17% Skybreaker

12% Lightweaver

6% Dustbringer

5% Truthwatcher

Hello everyone! Just recently found my way here. Still trying to figure out how to maneuver around the site. Love seeing all the fellow cosmere fans! I think we will get along just fine!!