Frustration

Leave them and find Kaladin.

What? That doesn't prove anything, Navani doesn't get credit for what one of the Ardents did

Not work with the enemy

If a scientist makes a discovery the person funding them doesn't get the credit.

So she didn't actually do anything she just told the people who could actually help. And you wnat me to giver her credit for it. Navani figured out the process to make Anti-light, but still made it when she could have hidden it. Someone(I thought it was you sorry if it wasn't) mentioned it at the begining. On the reason, both of their kill counts are in the single didgets.

But what did Navani do?

The discovery of Urithiru was the work of Jasnah and Shallan, mostly Jasnah, Navani didn't do anyhting. Jasnah discovered it was on the Shattered plains, Shallan's drawing and a comment form that one Ardent pinpointed the Oathgate, Navani didn't do anything there

I wouldn't trust anyone who uses the power with any regularity unless they were so perfect that the broke beliveability. Now if Honor could be restored and his laws reinforced I would relax my judgement Dalinar is proof that the spren are not very good at enforing their judgement No one If OB had ended while Dalinar was still drunk I wouldn't give him a chance, RoW left off without Navani learning restraint. Because Navani didn't actually become a better person, she became more confident, but she has not shown greater restraint. Would you disagree with someone who said that Dalinar is all that is good and holy? I see everyone blowing Navani's positives way out of proportion and I have to disagree Why do you keep bringing the sex of the characters into this? That has nothing to do with the conversation. I repost the same thing because what I'm responding to doesn't require a change DId he need Anti-Voidlight? No, it would have been worked out of the system eventually. You assume that The Sibling couldn't blend the Tones once they could hear both again. Quote where it says that Navani was the only one who could help, and even if she was that doesn't make her worthy. So? Shards can't break oaths why do you find it so bad that the Stormfather couldn't disobey Honor? The Sibling didn't just choose Rlain because he wasn't human they originally refused to bond at all, The Sibling monitered him and found him acceptable later. So the powers of a Bondsmith unchained lead to the wounding of every soul on Roshar, maybe you can see why I don't trust just anyone with them.

Yes, what Ishar was doing... *shudders* I wouldn't trust anyone, anyone, myself included to weild that power. That's kind of the point.

I think there are two main reasons, Dalinar and Kaladin get climactic redemptions while Shallan is still dealing with the same thing three books later and first impression, in WoK Shallan was by far the most annoying PoV the only thing she did was take time away from the things I actually wanted to read, and the dislike has stuck around. As for Navani(for me) it's that the Sibling get's treated as a shiny reward for "character deveoplment" and is not responsible enough for such power, and a small bit of countering the people who like her far more than I feel she deserves. Very few people will ever be worthy of Bondsmith powers, I'd say that the amount of people unworthy of it might as well be 100% Kaladin has not displayed power even near being a Bondsmith. I don't see how Syl changes anything I never said Navani could never become worthy, just that right now she is not.

We have had several wars since WW2, if we jumped stright to the biggest weapon we have it would have been used, war is not a time for an all out frenzy, it is a time for careful and methodical practices, otherwise you will make a mistake and you will forget it. But we can all agree that it is not a good outcome I wasn't pleased with Kaladin either, and Teft did not almost break his Oath, his spren was still there. I have judged them, but right now we are talking about Navani, and on top of that I'm willing to give other orders more leeway than Bondsmiths. You're welcome to that opinion, I'm glad you can enjoy it but it has always left me uncomfotable.

@The Unknown Order

If this were the philosophy of world leaders we would have been in Nuclear war by now. If I had been the Strormfather I would have broken the bond right then and there, so yes. He already failed to deliver, I'm still going to read but I'm not going to suspend my Frustration for five years.

There isn't anything there

Stop right now and calm down, I have never once in this conversation insulted you, or cried that you refused to see what was right in fron of you, I have been reasonable I excpect the same back. And The Sibling was not dead at that time, and Navani was not the only one able to help, Rlain can hear the pure tones to. There is a massive difference between doing what your Father says even if you don't like it, and doing what your enemy says because you will die otherwise. No I do not think he was worthy. And I think his failure to draw stormlight shows I'm not the only one Hundreds of people during the Rennassance sis just that, gathered a bunch of scholars, artits sculpters etc, all without being masters in any of those professions. Why? because they had money. Raboniel's opinions on humans was the same pre and post Navani, same with El. There is just the small problem that it is infinatly easier for the Fused to get stormlight than for the Radiants to get Voidlight. There was not a valuable trade off there, that's like the US making the Nuke but Russia has hundreds of tons of Uranium sitting around in massive piles, it helps the Fused far more than it helps the Radiants, esspecially when the Radiants already had a way to permakill Fused. The Sibling tells us that they spent years handpicking their Bondsmith. With Honor dead and his limit's fading more care must be taken to ensure that the unworthy cannot become Bondsmiths, not less, Navani cannot be allowed to get in by the egde of her teeth, flying colors must be shown at every point or they must be rejected.

I gave you a rep for the first one, saw the last meme and wished I could give you five.

... That is a good point. I still disagree and think the scene was delevered poorly but I guess that you might be cannonically correct.

Ruin was actually pretty bad at seeing the future

You will note that the Sibling never says Navani is worthy. here

Which the Sibling clearly judges Navani to not be. The difference is that Dalinar changed before he bonded, Navani didn't I have an entire thread on why I hate that scene. Navani is a scholar, sure. Made a discovery(Warlight) sure, created something, eh I'll give it to her. Worthy? definetly not.

It is something you can learn from, but(for Bondsmiths) it is something that should be learned before the bond Dalinar had already mostly corrected and gained a large degree of self control as well as moral boundaries before he bonded Navani is responsible for everything

I can''t say exactly as I don't have a child but I don't tend to have overly emotional reactions to most things, I don't think Navani's reaction was overly unrealistic.

She has indeed shown that the question of "can it be done?" is more important to her than "should it be done?" And even if she hadn't shown that, she hasn't shown that she would be responsible with that kind of power, and is thus unworthy.

I was not please with Dalinar's choice there, and no I will not give Navani wiggle room, if Dalinar ever starts stealing Connections I will lose all respect for him and declair lound and far he is unworthy. I don't complain about him because he has shown restraint with what he does, but Navani doesn't strike me as anywhere near as restrained

With that kind of power there is no room for error, Bondsmith MUST be vetted far more strigently than any other order. I wouldn't trust anyone, not even myself with that level of power IRL, esspecially not someone that the one check on that power didn't want to have it.