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14 minutes ago, spitfireky said:

I wonder what her actual intentions are, like if her plans are completely confined to Roshar or that she has designs similar to what Rayse-as-Odium's were in terms of thinking of the full cosmere.

To cultivate the cosmere maybe?

Sazed said in the letters that a shard can't really resist their Shardic intent for too long so assumably something relating to cultivation.

Might be trying to pull a "through war they'll grow stronger" sorta deal but not sure. Honestly what she thought she'd get out of Taravangian ascending we probably won't find out until either book 5 or Brandon lets something slip in a WOB. 

3 minutes ago, Child of Hodor said:

Hey that’s my tinfoil hat theory! Kalak is a coward who was involved with Gavilar so the leader of the Sons of Honor running away and hiding fit Kalak quite well.

I read someone recently wrote of Brandon that he often does what you expect he just gets to it way faster than you’d ever expect. Odium getting a new vessel was coming, but wow that was fast. Goodbye Rayse we hardly new ye.

I think we are still missing 2 shard names unless I missed them. We were missing 6 and got 4. Whimsy is the most surprising. 

real question is in the WOB where Brandon says he'd take ingenuity, was he referring to invention or a different shard?

1 minute ago, Beltway2A said:

Part 5 was excellent. It didn't really feel like a Sanderlanche compared to Oathbringer (or the original Mistborn), but very satisfying nonetheless. 

It wasn't the Sanderlanch that got me this time but the plot twists.

Oh boy was that a wild ride at the end.

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6 minutes ago, eltruT said:

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I came here just to talk about Invention, because that's litterally where I am in RoW right now. Im spoiling this just because if someone looks at my profile They'd find 'Invention' on it. 

Any thoughts on why Harmony might not be able to contact Invention?

On a unrelated note, I wonder how advanced Invention's shard world might be, if Invention does have a shard world. 

 

Also using a spoiler
 

Just now, Gyirin said:

Does Shallan and Jasnah have any interaction in this book?

Was Shallan's past revealed? 

I won't be able to get the book for a month and I don't mind spoilers.

On their interaction.
 

On Shallan's past
 

Just now, Ramona Tehradin said:

YEAH! My Kal baby does it! I can die in peace, embraced in arms of stormblessed! 

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The part has to do with Teft I believe?

 

39 minutes ago, Ramona Tehradin said:

Kaladin doesn't speak 'Fourth Ideal'?!!!!

Spoilers

Spoilers on what it is.

12 minutes ago, Darbies said:

It was released 24 hours ago in Aus... And we were already 25% through with part 1

As an Australian I can confirm I foolishly decided to check if I could download it at 1am on the 18th... I did not sleep until 7am, woke up at mid day and then kept reading until I finished it at like 8pm....

Tho I was also trying to get uni work done so that probably slowed me down.

2 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said:

Are the “deepest ones” of Threnody are the same as the fused variety of “deepest ones”?

Honestly not sure, tho based off quickly reading the Coppermind article I'd doubt it.

3 minutes ago, Gyirin said:

What did you think of Adolin's arc?

I saw Daniel Greene's review and he says Adolin's story felt a bit convenient in this book.

Tbh idm it, tho I'd say it was probably the one I was least invested in. Imo I can definitely see him being the one people refer to when they talked about suddenly being asked to be interested in a certain character. If anything it sorta felt like a bit of a side arc to what was happening with Shallan, like it was her plot but we needed to see from Adolins perspective to understand what happened.

1 minute ago, Parallax said:

Is the status of the Sibling explained? Is it associated with a shard (like Stormfather & Nightwatcher) or is it just an immensely powerful spren?

You get a pretty good explanation + a whole bunch of cosmere magic world building. Couple of the piece are only briefly mentioned but there's enough in there to have a pretty good picture

12 minutes ago, Alpharho said:

This new letter is good for Shard names. 4 new ones in two chapters, holy crap.

Invention, Whimsy, Mercy, and Valor

Invention send to fit in a creation quadrant along with Preservation and Ruin. Valor seems awfully close to Honor in my mind, so I'm curious what the differences will be as fast as Intent goes.

I'm still digging into part 2, but I was so shocked at how many names we're getting.

I didn't spot any other shards on my read through but you might have better luck than me. Sanderson really did just kinda go "hey, have some shard names".

4 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said:

Yeah, me too. I didn’t really get a “shardy” vibe from that name, but i was being hopeful

Always good to be hopeful haha.

Also what's your take on the mixture of Odium and Honour being War and the mixture of Honour and Cultivation being Science (possibly, wasn't nearly as confirmed as the other one)?

Science makes sense for Honour and Cultivation tho imo it strays close to Invention and it doesn't really sound shardy.
War sorta makes sense but I was expecting something a bit more surprising I guess.

Also my new crackpot theory is that theirs a rhythm for ever permutation of combining the different shards.

2 minutes ago, Parallax said:

@scottwo Thanks! 

New Shards: Invention is another name for Ingenuity, Mercy is a shard I had predicted (along with Beauty & Justice) so I am glad that one turned out to be correct. I am not sure about where Brandon will go with Whimsy, but it could easily turn into the most terrifying shard to deal with. 

@Harkain Hoid will be fine, his plot armor is thicker than all the cosmere books put together. 

What did Shallan find when he found/met Restares? Or did she fail? And what did Moash do that has everyone pissed off?

Spoilers in case you haven't finished the book.

8 minutes ago, Gyirin said:

What did you think of Shallan's arc in this book?

Also I'm not too sure. I definitely didn't see the twist coming but I was sorta hoping Brandon didn't go down the path of her losing alters. 

7 minutes ago, Darbies said:

I just created an account to say the That I have never hated a character more than Moash in any book I have read.

I also don’t know how I feel about the Odium switch yet but am interested in how it plays out with the book ‘gap’ coming up

I completely and utterly agree with the F**k Moash sentiment. He only makes things worse.

Also thinking considering that Hoid seems to be playing his hand a lot more in this book and that the Big T has figured out a real good way to manipulate him I'm scared for what'll happen in Book 5.

2 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said:

In the Arcanum, Khriss mentions “Foil” controlling the Aethers. so that must be another Shard

Honestly I took that as more the name of a scholarly contemporary of Khriss more than anything.

14 minutes ago, Eternal Khol said:

Tbh. i read the epilogue before these chapters and was very confused by what went down in it, but it all makes sense now

Just read the epilogue.
RIP Hoid.
 

Not quite there yet, I'll probably come back here when I'm properly finished.

Just now, Eternal Khol said:

Omg!!! 
that’s literally what i just came to discuss!!!!

Still getting through the rest of it. Honestly I'm both terrified for the future cause the shard is probably a lot more dangerous now but also happy cause the big T was probably one of my more favourite characters.

So ah, for when other people get there. Anyone else left utterly speechless by chapter 113.

I legitimately put down my phone and just repeated "what' for about 30 seconds...

Imo I'm thinking the Windrunners fourth oath is gonna be deciding which group of people specifically they are going to prioritise protecting. Sorta like the Skybreakers fourth ideal where they need to dedicate themselves to carrying out a particular a particular crusade. It's gonna be choosing to dedicate themselves to something.

For Kaladin I'm guessing that it'll probably come off the surgeon training and be something along the lines of "I will only protect those that I can". 

1 minute ago, agrabes said:

Kaladin is definitely being hit by either an Unmade or Odium.  Something is keeping him down unnaturally, it seems like his normal coping mechanisms just aren't working at all.  Or maybe this is just what it's like before you hit the 4th Oath for a Windrunner.

Tbh considering Odiums access to fortune it could legitimately just be him telling Moash what to say in order to screw with Kaladin the most. Tho that would also suggest there's a reason Odium would want to target Kaladin specifically.

1 minute ago, The_Truthwatcher said:

I am wondering about the new kind of fabrial thing. No fabrial used in the Fourth Bridge is new. Which new fabrial did they develop?

It could be causing what amounts to ecological devastation for the Spren or some other unforeseen consequence? We don't really understand how they reproduce or their role with the ecosystem. 

28 minutes ago, beewall said:

Wait, 5?! I've apparently missed some things, which 5?

I'm about to go into an exam so I'll try and dig out quotes later but.
You've got Nale and Kalak(I think) talking to Elhokar and Gavilar.
Jezrian was at the beggars feast. (Dalinar's perspective)
There's references to Shallash doing shallash things(destroyed art of her) so assumably she's there.(Dalinar's perspective)
There's also theories I've heard that one of the heralds was the assassin Liss that Jasnah talked to.(Jasnah perspective)

My memories hazy tho so I'll need to come back and double check stuff.

2 minutes ago, Karger said:

Thank You!  Welcome to the shard as well.

It's all good happy to help. Thanks for the welcome as well!

I've passed on your question, just gotta hope it gets enough upvotes to be noticed now.