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Personally I like the idea that KoW could be an Odium style ruler guidebook in the same way Way of Kings is an Honour style ruler guidebook in world. 
Guesses based off that tho tbh I can't really think of any novel ones.
- Keeper of Wrath/Woe
- King of Wrath/Worry/Woe
- Keeper of Wants
- Kingdom of Widows/Wails
- Ketek of Whispers/Whimpers/the Wretched


 

The kite based magic system cosmere novel Brandon talked about in the latest State of Sanderson definitely makes me think of Whimsy so there's some hype for you.

9 hours ago, Ramona Tehradin said:

Yeah, but he also further spoke that it could be interpreted as Kaladin taking his Ideals to an exceedingly unhealthy levels which Windrunners typically don't. But that is something Honor would surely approve because he cared about oaths and that's what Kaladin also does. It could also mean as a para-symbolic interpretation that Kaladin is far more close to Honor than any other character in terms of mindset. 

Also, I think there are a lot more to that question. For example how his powers especially RL worked and why Teft needed Lift to stay awake etc. 

I reckon for Teft it was that while he's spren thought he was ready and the Stormfather would've accepted them he might not of known them, my guess is he was figuring them out during the fight with Moash. So close but not as close as Kaladin so he needed Lift.

Also, with Kaladin and being excessive with his oaths in a way that Tanavast would've approved off, imo I reckon that explains the child of Tanavast thing. 

Honestly my crackpot theory.

Dalinar is going to both lose the trial of champions but still ascend to become Honour. So you end up with a situation where one shard is sorta stuck serving another shard or something along those lines. Might lead to a mixing of their investiture in some strange way as well, idk.

That being said it's probably not the case I just think it's a cool idea. Reasons for it being unlikely.
Gonna spoiler cause my reasoning cause into some less obvious ROW spoilers.

Not much to contribute here but found a pattern quote (From Coppermind) that also supports the idea of Spren being suffused with the investiture of Odium.

"Spren are ...power . . . shattered power. Power given thought by the perceptions of men. Honor, Cultivation, and . . . and another. Fragments broken off." 
Words of Radiance Chapter 24.

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From my understanding it's the spirit web of the deadeyes that's messed up rather than their physical body. Fairly sure Edgedancer regrowth relies on pretty much resetting the physical body to what the spirit web says it is, it wouldn't be able to fix the issue with the Deadeyes.

I think maybe a Bondsmith doing shenanigans with connection could tho.

3 minutes ago, Blood Of My Fathers said:

My guess is it's going to be an Avengers: Infinity War/Endgame sort of thing. The good guys will sort of lose in book five, but come back to fight again in part 2 of SA.

Then again, Brandon was surprised us so many times, I've lost count, so anything could happen.....

 

*cue ominous music*

I'm expecting for them to lose in some big capacity (Odium gets out or most of Roshar gets destroyed, etc) and a lot of character deaths (I am 100% expecting Dalinar to end up fused) but for them to also earn themselves some form of respite/peace.

1 hour ago, Dreamwa1ker said:

It seems really similar to Atium, I paused when I first read it: chapter 111

I know the Stormfather says it's experience but I'm not buying it, he has been wrong about other things. I don't think he's an Allomancer but there's often similarities in uses of Investiture across the Cosmere. Maybe he can Connect with them a bit and so knows what they are intending to do.

It could be connection shenanigans tbh. We don't really understand a lot of how it functions and it could just be he's connected himself to them and knows their intention?

First off, straight dude speaking here so please take everything I say with a good dealing of salt and note I haven't really got personal experience with this sorta thing.

Jasnah has struck as a sorta character who deals in both a heavy dose of introspection and is someone who isn't afraid to be themselves in her society. I never really got the impression that she was unknowingly closeted as she struck me as the type of person who would both be aware of themselves having those feelings and and as someone able to shrug society telling them that they shouldn't have those feelings. Pretty much she strikes as a character who has self-actualised a good deal and as a character who has a very good idea of who they actually are and confidently holds to that.

If people with more direct experience could offer their take it would definitely be real informative imo and I at least would appreciate it a lot.

7 hours ago, StormingTexan said:

Just read it. Whoa...

Tbh I really don't know if it raises more questions than it answers or not.

Spoilers for it below/My take on it below. He really did mean big ass potential spoilers considering how much we can probably infer from the story.
 

Honestly what intrigues me more is the 6th of the dusk sequel extract.

That being said he does warn that it has stupid big spoilers in it so I won't start speculating about it in a random thread.

My guess is sentient spren getting sealed in Parshendi Gem Hearts. Might've granted them now forms of power/access to the surges before the Nahel bond? Could be where the different forms of fused came from before Odium rocked up. (maybe Humans rock up powered by Odium, Parshendi get desperate, begin sealing radiant spren in their gem hearts to get access to surges to fight back, Spren are noticeably upset at this?). It is possible for spren to be trapped in Parshendi Gem hearts like what happened with Venli and her Odium Spren.

Could've been that the spren Leshwi asked after was the one she had previously sealed in her gem heart before she became a Fused?

This is all a complete crackpot theory at this point but it makes sense in my head. It is possible for spren to be trapped in Parshendi Gem hearts like what happened with Venli. 

The theory that some of Odiums investiture got into spren actually could explain some other things as well.

ROW Spoilers
 

I might've binge read it the day before an assignment was due. We still got there in the end but ah, was not a good idea...

28 minutes ago, Wadders said:

You could also potentially use a lightweaver to create the tone.

I'm also wondering how the tone could be used when fighting the fused.

Thinking on that actually, what would happen if a radiant lightweaver tried to create the tone for anti-stormlight? Would they even be able to in the first place?

Just pre-emptive you should probably spoiler tag this or do something along those lines.

My thoughts below + ROW spoilers
 

2 hours ago, Karger said:

Not too difficult.  Destructive interference can be explained to people pretty easily. 

Oh yea, I don't disagree with that. I just wouldn't be surprised if there ends up being more nuances to that than we know about.

2 hours ago, Karger said:

Adhesion should be able to create vacuums.  Alternatively you could just go to space.

I'd more so meant it as at least in the current age of Roshar the equipment/conditions needed to make it are hard to get to. I'd say needing a radiant or getting into space are still fairly significant restrictions.

2 hours ago, Karger said:

That was largely theoretical.  I just kind of wonder.  However slightly more practically what if you got a megaspren(stormfather size)?  Would you have inverted surges?

I don't think it'd necessarily invert the surges, impression I've gotten is surges are more just restricted bits of magic systems inherent to cosmere. Like the stuff about what stonewards do being just a restricted form of microkinesis or lightweaving being present on Yolen. What I reckon would be more interested is how would surges driven by the anti-investiture function around the surges of the normal investiture. 

2 hours ago, Karger said:

All of your points are true but under proper conditions their manufacture is still very possible.

I wasn't argue against it being manufactured haha. More so just the idea that they're gonna be able to rapidly create a whoooole lot of it. Imo it'll probably be a relatively rare resource at least within the current cosmere era.

37 minutes ago, Kered said:

Kaladin going berserker after Teft is a scene that I think passes the Arena scene in WoR for me. Seeing from another POV was such a good choice. Soon as Kaladin grabbed Ole Defeated I audibly said “ Uh oh, this bayd, so bayd”. 
 

I’ve seen a few people complain about the Fourth Ideal but I disagree. This was the pivot point Kaladin needed to make in logical character development. Also, Shardplate Kaladin is just straight up awesome sauce. 
 

 

Side note, the Teft thing isn’t what pushed me over the edge with Tw*t Waffle 9000(taking one out of Odiums book and giving him a new, proper title). What pushed me over the edge was his POV right after. A person with wrong convictions still is brave enough to stand by them. Tw*t Waffle 9000 is now simply a coward with the wrong convictions. Something ya can’t even muster pity for. 

Pretty much agree with this.

Just wanna say I really want Tw*t Waffle 9000 to catch as the M/V words unofficial name.

4 hours ago, Necessary Eagle said:

The Cosmere's most cursed ship.

I just realised something

Ending Spoilers

4 minutes ago, Karger said:

Anti-Investature.  So its a thing.  A thing that can be really easily created on a basically industrial scale.  Sure some has been made but what does it do(other then blow up)?  What happens if you make antistormlight and then a radiant tries to use it?  What happens if you convert an entire shard(or at least enough power to ascend with)?  Most interestingly, in my mind, what happens if the power gains sapience as a spren?  Are anti-voidspren going to be a thing in the back five?  What will they even be like?

I think the main issue with the industrial scale is that role of intent. Standard cosmere weirdness but that could mean that you need someone who specifically understands what they're doing or something along those lines. From what I understood the components are currently difficult to obtain on Roshar. Basically I can't imagine them having toooooo much of it in future.

Fairly sure if you had a radiant take in anti-stormlight it would kill both them and they're siren sorta like what anti-voidlight does to a fused. 

I don't think it would be possible to transform a shard considering they're both effectively nearly infinite investiture and that to make the anti investiture you need to isolate it from the shard influence (rhythms).

Issue with having an anti-investiture spren imo would be that unless you could get them away from the type of investiture they're the opposite of they'd be at constant risk of just ceasing to exist. Like if you have an anti-stormlight spren it'd take just one high storm for them to just cease existing. Basically I feel anti-investiture spren would have too unstable of existence to stick around for any length of time, at least on Roshar. 

3 minutes ago, robardin said:

But he was like in his stupidest / most Passionate phase of mind when he Ascended. I thought that would have somehow been reflected, but he sure sounded like Pretty Smart Taravangian afterward, didn't he? Maybe that was unforeseen by Culti?

I think there was a reference somewhere saying that picking up a shard expanded someone intelligence wise?

1 minute ago, Zedseayou said:

yeah, the feast night is getting even more confusing now, with Axindweth there and apparently another set of Feruchemists that turned Gavilar against her, so probably at least one and maybe two more different groups/agents in the palace

I actually missed the other set of Feruchemists. Oh boy that feast is one hell of a crowd. Just waiting for us to find out that apparently Cultivation was there as well in some form, along with Kelsier and Khriss haha.

Thinking on it tho it's actually a fairly decent possibility Khriss was there...

My thoughts are as follows.

You should probably put ROW spoilers in the title just to make sure people don't accidentally come here by accident.

Tho also yea, ramifications of it are huge.
ROW spoilers below.

1 minute ago, Vulcronos said:

Is there another secret society on Roshar we know about now?  One that brought Voidspren to the Listeners or are they part of one we know?  It was confirmed in book they weren't part of the Son's of Honor.

It seemed like there was a different secret society involved, definitely implied they were world hoppers to some extent as well.

Based off the Ars Arcanum it looks like Khriss has people active on Roshar now as well with her apparently sending someone into the Stoneward Ranks.