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8 minutes ago, Karger said:

This is the point where the hero has made a lot of progress.  They have entered the fantastical world, met their allies mentor, and enemies, overcome the threshold guardians and are finally something different then what they started out as.

Isn't this loosely Kaladin's arc in WoR? Or are we going to see a pattern of advancement/regression with him?

We (or at least I) always thought that Syl was a decent baseline for other Honorspren. That her excitability and the parallels to windspren would be present in other Honorspren. This excerpt implies that she is different somehow. This is so cool, it tells us that spren have much more personality variation than we could prove before. We knew that Syl was different from the Honorspren captain in the Cognitive Realm, but we didn't know if we could extrapolate from that.

8 minutes ago, thejopen27 said:

Has Lirin died and in his guilt and grief has Kaladin abandoned fighting to become a surgeon as he thinks he needs to make amends to his father? This could all be part of his journey to the fourth Ideal. He failed to protect his father and he's still struggling with his failure here.

This makes complete sense to me. Oh no...

6 minutes ago, R J said:

Awww! See? No romantic subplot necessary, Syl's got his back! 

I fully expected a throwaway line line "Kaladin sleeps so much better with Tarah in the room" or something.

15 minutes ago, Pathfinder said:

So readily admit it is in no way confirmation, but I feel Syl and Dalinar's conversation is another feather in the cap of my theory that Dalinar will have a hand in Adolin reviving Maya. His powers can literally affect the bonds between radiant and spren. I think this is foreshadowing of him restoring what was lost to those spren that were killed. Fingers crossed I am right!

I half expect that RoW's plot will revolve around twin diplomatic missions: one to the spren, to show that humans are worth supporting; one to the singers, to try to pull hosts away from the Fused.

The first could be led by Adolin and Shallan in the Cognitive realm. The second could involve Venli and R'lain interacting with the radiants and finding the lost Listeners.

Guys, Stormfather has the power but not the ability to deepen the bond on his own. Does this mean that the Nightwatcher could do this? 

50 minutes ago, thejopen27 said:

The part with Dalinar was cut off in mine... ):

Click the "Expand email" option. Mine was initially cut off in Gmail too.

Edgedancer is a shorter story (relatively speaking) but the resolution is really important for understanding everything else that happens in the story. Lift is an unreliable narrator *of her own motivations* and I think this is why some people dislike her so strongly. It wasn't until I read Edgedancer a second time that I picked up on all of the clues Brandon left. Until I made that connection, I think I was fundamentally misreading her sections of the novels.

Guys. You can use the letter "H" as a wildcard for Vorin keteks.

KoH: Knights of Honor; Keepers of History

HoW: Heroes of Wit; Honor of Winds

On 6/20/2020 at 6:05 PM, Spren of Kindness said:

I never cry during books, but I did when Dalinar said 'You cannot have my pain.'  It was so beautiful. 

This one and "Teft, Knight Radiant" always gets me.

Also, The Lopen finally says the words as he is protecting a newly-one-armed man from the world. So, so good.

You are catching a lot more than I did on my first read! The Sanderlanche is amazing.

Ooh! This is really interesting. One thing that may support this: Shallan's early conversation with Adolin in WoR where she talks about chasmfiends. Remember, she actually directly raises the point with him that the systematic hunting of the apex predator in the ecosystem will have serious unintended consequences for the Shattered Plains (and beyond since they don't know where chasmfiends live when they aren't pupating).

Actually, this makes me wonder. What happened to Roshar's ecosystem after the Singers were functionally wiped out? The Singers were the dominant civilization over all of Roshar before humans showed up. That would make them the actual apex predators. We know what Singers/Listeners get from spren but we don't know what spren or Roshar got from the Parsh.

14 hours ago, Slowfast said:

This gives me hope the ardent that Dalinar sparred with might become a bondsmith squire!

I'd like to see him become an Edgedancer. Their blurb mentions that religious leaders often joined their order. And Kadash specifically refers to the common people that the ardents serve even when they disagree with the highlord.

What do you make of the fact that the tagline Ideal on the Radiant info page seems drawn directly from the 2d ideal of the orders? So the Elsecaller 2nd ideal could be along the lines of "I will reach my potential by mastering my emotions."

This background page is amazing! It's like the gemstone archive but even more info. 

"The Willshapers believe strongly that all people should be free to make their own choices. Their oaths are themed toward freedom and letting people be free to express themselves and make their own way in life." Sounds like Venli will be a freedom fighter for the Parsh.

5 minutes ago, Kairos said:

Ooh, how would you align Enneagram?

I am a 5 & 8, which is basically the intellectual and the defender personality types.

Hello, fellow Elsecallers!

Interestingly, this says I am Elsecaller first and Windrunner second. That basically lines up my enneagram results.

Elsecaller Ideal?! "I will reach my potential."

43 minutes ago, Oltux72 said:

He hadn't surrendered, still a combatant, even if a failure as a fighter, too

If we're arguing combatant vs non-combatant, I'd argue holding a (basically) refugee/hostage child and carrying the child to the rescue point is much closer to non-combatant. Also, there is nothing in the text suggesting that Moash cared about Elhokar being a combatant. Does anyone doubt that he would happily have stabbed Elhokar in his sleep? Is there anything in OB that suggests Moash is operating from any kind of moral code at all?

10 hours ago, Karger said:

and probably a savant as well.

A savant mistborn? What would that even look like? He doesn't have the signs of a Tin savant or a Pewter savant.

I think the difficulty would come in the timing. You would have to identify a proto-radiant and wait for them to die or kill them. Wait too long, and the spren will already have bonded and returned to Shadesmar on the death of the radiant.

I can see this being a goal, or a situation that they would gladly take advantage of but I don't think they have had much success yet in bonding spren to existing members of the Ghostbloods.

Also, Brandon has mentioned before that you probably could not hemalurgically steal a nahel bond because the radiant spren has a say in who holds their bond. Hoid was successful (presumably) not just because of the Cryptic's situation but also because Hoid is already a Lightweaver willing to tell Truths. If the Ghostbloods tried to force a spren to bond someone who did not match the order, I doubt the spren would just be a passive captive.

We have seen that reputations are fairly static things in this period of Rosharan history. Dalinar spends all of Oathbringer trying to overcome his reputation for being a savage fighter, even though it has been more than a decade since his personality shifted to Bondsmith-appropriate piety. Perhaps Gavilar benefitted from his old reputation as the conquering fighter?

Also, he came this close to defeating Szeth 1v1. That speaks to his skill level as well. Maybe he was deserving of his reputation?

Another possibility is that the shardplate allowed him to maintain his fighting prowess far longer than his body would otherwise be able to unaided. With shardplate lending strength and speed, Gavilar's instincts came through still. Without shardplate, maybe we would have seen only a man past his prime.

I had forgotten about this scene until I re-read WoK, but Rock picks up a tree trunk and swings it at Kaladin when they are training in the chasms. Rock, Moash, and someone else (Teft?) are sparring with Kal 3 v1 and he's frustrating them so Rock starts actually trying. Kal is shocked by his strength (and then forgets about it, I guess) but it clearly shows that Rock is far stronger than he lets on.

I believe the soulcasters in Kholinar during the siege (that Azhure hid away) are trying to resist the effects of savantism by taking turns using the soulcaster. Even then, they are starting to show the effects.

8 minutes ago, Karger said:

Tyn and Shallan's scenes(am I the only one that sees the two of them as a thing?  Tyn is defo Shallan's type).

One thing I've missed as Shallan has gotten close with/married Adolin is her crushes on her mentors.