Karnage

Okay, I didn't want to role claim because I thought people would just double down and try to kill me ( I mean I though about it but I didn't know if I was allowed to do so). It was very late last night and I also didn't really think about it. Yeah I did see that I was the most likely lynch candidate. -Also so just to make it clear- I can role claim? I apologies to Araris, out of what I had it seemed like you were being inconsistent, but after our conversation I now know that we just have differing opinions.

Okay so I tried to quote our conversation but it wouldn't save as I went from page to page. For those confused about why I am up for the lynch here is why. @Araris Valerian So you are perfectly fine with joining a bandwagon but not with poke voting. Interesting. To me this kinda seems like I am missing something in the equation that would make this make sense. But, I do not think I am. I believe this is very incongruous. Not that by itself it is suspicious. By its self I find it NAI but... If Sart is elim and you are too, then this might make sense. It seems to me like poke voting and bandwagon are mutually fair game if one person like one then they will probably like the other. But from these statements you are putting a vote on someone that is poke voting but then later turn around to defend someone you haven't even had contact with in the thread, for being a bandwagon. This kinda screams (or at least by my logic) that you two are both elims and you were trying to defend a fellow elim. But, you don't have any votes so I will redact my vote on TGK and put it on Sart because if he gets lynched then you will look pretty guilty to everyone else. If this doesn't make any sense that please respond!!!!!!!! And tell me well my logic went astray. -Karnage Striker then goes ahead and says that he doesn't understand why I would not vote on Araris who he think I am suspicious of. I responded with saying that I think Sart and Araris are connected, if one turns out to be elim than the other might be elim as well. Since Sart already had votes (and me thinking that we were getting close to the end of the cycle) I decided to place a vote on them since either way it would prove or disproves by theory no matter which one was lynched. Okay I think I have the quoting problem linked. Here it is- the conversation. Why stab with nothing to go off of in the first half of C1? Why not get some discussion going (with poke votes) then use the later half of the cycle to stab based off of more context? I don't think we need to bandwagon right of the gate, why not have some reason for it. -Also I disagree poke votes aren't useless, first its starts friction between two people. Things start to move, then once everyone is discussing you can actually "stab" vote someone. Like I said before, what would be the point of voting Araris if nothing is going to happen. There was already a train starting on Sart, if Sart turns out to be elim then that points towards Araris being elim as well. My claim is not against Araris joining a bandwagon, my claim is that Araris's actions are incongruous. Why completely against poke votes but defend someone for bandwagoning. I don't mind the bandwagon. Thats exactly right, there no point on putting a vote on someone unless there is a good chance at getting them lynched. Sart was already on the block so therefore if they die and show their elim then that proves the shade on Araris. This is when Pyro jumps in. Yay! And yet you were just talking about how Poke Votes are useful. Emi Karnage. It feels like you're just saying whatever'll keep you alive longer, not caring about remaining consistent or having an actual point. And yet you were just talking about how Poke Votes are useful. I said that Poke votes are useful in the beginning, but towards the end of the cycle based of the content of the thread there is not a point to poke voting. I feel as if I have a point, and yes I do think I am being consistent from my point of view. If I die, I cannot wait to see if my logic works and Araris and Sart along with possibly Stryker and Pyro being elims. I guess that no matter what a role is revealed, and if I die then you all will see that others are more suspicious than me. My guess is that there are a few villagers along with a few elims that have votes on me not all on one side. Anyone know when the cycle ends? Side note for Araris- The think is me poke voting provoked you to vote on me, which lead me along with other post to create a theory, in which other people have joined the conversation on. Now whomeever is lynched we will have tons of posts to go off of in the future through the connections made. All of which came from me poke voting. How funny that seems to work out doesn't it @Araris Valerian. Wouldn't the sudden votes on me indicate that elims are coordinating their votes on me in their doc? Not sure where the contradictions are, next time do you mind saying where my contradictions are instead of just saying that there are contradictions. There are plenty on new players (so be careful) you don't know if they are going to look for the seeming contradictions found in my posts. Not sure how you've not seen the link. Why don't you read this post real closely. Aren't we all setting each other up so we see what they flip, and then make connections to try to find other elims. Not sure why what I am doing is so suspiscious if this is what makes a Mafia/ Sanderson elimination game. First of all (I've not said anything about Xilo all game) I was talking about Sart and Araris. Second, why can't I post about what I am suspicious about? If my suspiscioun comes to fruiton and we find out that one or the other is guilty and the village is that much ahead. Why vote on me based of something that all of us are trying to do here. (try to make sense out of very little) And ther is a vot to save their own skin. Hallelujia- this sounds so much like how I feel with my own situation. In conclusion - Originally I was just semi- suspicious or Araris and Sart but as push-back all of the sudden happened with so many votes going on me for just trying to explain my reasoning behind my suspicion. Now I wonder if all the push-back is coming from some elim teamates with a a villager sprinkled in. As of right now(for me) these people are suspisious Pyro Stryker Emi- Weird bandwagon- that had no explanation Araris Sart With Village vibes coming from Straw (for now) For some reason I cannot see any of Orlocks posts (only the quotes) This was a very long post that took about and hour (because of many deleted parts as I transition through the five pages).

And yet you were just talking about how Poke Votes are useful. I said that Poke votes are useful in the beginning, but towards the end of the cycle based of the content of the thread there is not a point to poke voting. I feel as if I have a point, and yes I do think I am being consistent from my point of view. If I die, I cannot wait to see if my logic works and Araris and Sart along with possibly Stryker and Pyro being elims. I guess that no matter what a role is revealed, and if I die then you all will see that others are more suspicious than me. My guess is that there are a few villagers along with a few elims that have votes on me not all on one side. Anyone know when the cycle ends?

Why stab with nothing to go off of in the first half of C1? Why not get some discussion going (with poke votes) then use the later half of the cycle to stab based off of more context? I don't think we need to bandwagon right of the gate, why not have some reason for it. -Also I disagree poke votes aren't useless, first its starts friction between two people. Things start to move, then once everyone is discussing you can actually "stab" vote someone. Like I said before, what would be the point of voting Araris if nothing is going to happen. There was already a train starting on Sart, if Sart turns out to be elim then that points towards Araris being elim as well. My claim is not against Araris joining a bandwagon, my claim is that Araris's actions are incongruous. Why completely against poke votes but defend someone for bandwagoning. I don't mind the bandwagon. Thats exactly right, there no point on putting a vote on someone unless there is a good chance at getting them lynched. Sart was already on the block so therefore if they die and show their elim then that proves the shade on Araris. @StrikerEZ @Araris Valerian

The reason why I decided to vote on Sart is because Araris doesn't already have a vote on them, therefore will not be very likely to get lynched this round. Like I said in my post I found that the reasoning being their posts makes more sense if Sart and Araris are teammates. Since Sart already had (I think) two votes, I was thinking that if Sart turns out to be Elim (along with all the other reasons why others think they are elim) than Araris seems even more suspicious.

It doesn't seem like Brandon has sent anything via Newsletter for a couple of months. I've been waiting for the next update a little impatiently.

@Araris Valerian So you are perfectly fine with joining a bandwagon but not with poke voting. Interesting. To me this kinda seems like I am missing something in the equation that would make this make sense. But, I do not think I am. I believe this is very incongruous. Not that by itself it is suspicious. By its self I find it NAI but... If Sart is elim and you are too, then this might make sense. It seems to me like poke voting and bandwagon are mutually fair game if one person like one then they will probably like the other. But from these statements you are putting a vote on someone that is poke voting but then later turn around to defend someone you haven't even had contact with in the thread, for being a bandwagon. This kinda screams (or at least by my logic) that you two are both elims and you were trying to defend a fellow elim. But, you don't have any votes so I will redact my vote on TGK and put it on Sart because if he gets lynched then you will look pretty guilty to everyone else. If this doesn't make any sense that please respond!!!!!!!! And tell me well my logic went astray. -Karnage Just curious... did anybody see this? At this point it seems a little swept under the rug of new posts and I really just want to see if my logic makes sense. Also does anyone have a vote count? @A Joe in the Bush

@Araris Valerian So you are perfectly fine with joining a bandwagon but not with poke voting. Interesting. To me this kinda seems like I am missing something in the equation that would make this make sense. But, I do not think I am. I believe this is very incongruous. Not that by itself it is suspicious. By its self I find it NAI but... If Sart is elim and you are too, then this might make sense. It seems to me like poke voting and bandwagon are mutually fair game if one person like one then they will probably like the other. But from these statements you are putting a vote on someone that is poke voting but then later turn around to defend someone you haven't even had contact with in the thread, for being a bandwagon. This kinda screams (or at least by my logic) that you two are both elims and you were trying to defend a fellow elim. But, you don't have any votes so I will redact my vote on TGK and put it on Sart because if he gets lynched then you will look pretty guilty to everyone else. If this doesn't make any sense that please respond!!!!!!!! And tell me well my logic went astray. -Karnage

I don't think I'm the one that has poke voted the most, I'm at least tied with a few other people. This strikes me as someone that wants to make a vote sound legit without having to do much to start either a train or just get away with a poke vote without it being a poke vote since I've already posted. Also whats wrong with poke voting until I find someone that actually starts to sound suspicious? @Araris Valerian To answer your question and a few other peoples question, about that statement... It honestly sounded clear when I typed it, but reading back I relize how it might be confusing. Also, not sure why someone got a gut read that I was slight villager based on the fact that they though I had forgotten there is an elim doc, but thanks for the support. What I meant by this was the constable win if they can get the party to disperse, therefore if someone wants to disperse without any legit analysis confirming that there is no other constables than that would point out that they might be a constable trying to get a win. So... not knowing that (I think) Elandera was joking I thought that that would be a way of finding constables if they made a misstep. Does that make sense to y'all? Not sure if you are trying to get away with something as you saying all of this makes me think that you are trying to go under the radar. You saying this makes you jump onto my radar and hopefully onto others as well. @Straw This is my third game:) This is my third time trying to post this! grrrrrr Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks! I didn't even realize I'd hit that mile stone. How fun! Thanks!, Well, now that youve posted I guess I will put a vote on TGK. Have you posted yet? Poke vote for now. @The_God_King Edit: Oops I forgot to retract my vot on Fura

Hey, this is a cool way to play, I will be extremely glad if this works and you find it fun enough to keep on trying. I wasn't trying to over analyze the way you were playing.

This wouldn't be about my asking so many questions in LG65 would it? Also. Yo Fura hows it going? Any thoughts? I'll change it if you respond this hour. Also... Little Wilson, I get that you want to relax and try a different play style, and I don't want you to change just for me, this is just a comment but, your new play style is very disconcerting and confusing to say the least. I can't tell if your just doing this to discombobulate everyone, or really just to relax and play a different style, or if you are using ti to hide any suspicious note that could somehow be written in. Anyway this seems like an interesting way to play and I am so excited to play with such a wide variety of players. @Furamirionind Edit: It looks like I got ninja'd by Wilson

Also agreed. We also need to make sure not to disperse early in the game when there is still a chance of Constables being alive. That means we need to get rid of 7-8ish constable if Straw is to believed. I'm not sure how to take this but if this was a Legit vote to disperse which it probably is not because it looks like it was retracted this might be a sign for future constables.

Does anyone know the record for the amount of people in any Sanderson Elimination Game? We already have the last LG beat in terms of player count.

Wow, we won! That was a great first game and a great second finished game. I guess the distraction of the Fura and Karnage conflict did not help us get closer to winning, but I felt that was the best route. This was a great experience, thank you little Wilson and Elbereth for answering my many, many questions. Thank you for a great game.

Yah, whats up with that, any furthur insight you want to give us? Why would Lopen not be suspicious? As for the votes Elkanah and Elkanah

Uhhhhhhhh. I thought that you would have know based off of the fact that you posed at least three times in here. I can't tell if you are being truthful or juking us out trying to make me look more suspicious or makes I am just jumpy. POSSIBLY FOR THE REASON THAT SOMEONE IS ASKING PEOPLE TO GET ME KILLED. Jokes aside. Fura I hope that this feud doesn't last past this game. Is it usually this hard at this point in games to figure out whose who? I don't wanna die! Especially when the elims are still out there. Looks at <Burnt, Fura, and Lopen> Okay I guess we will see what happens next cycle. Till then, Karnage.

Well, lets see. Hmmm, I am very glad that I can still talk in the thread. That is very nice. Straw going insane does not bode well for me, I get that. But the thing is, wouldn't the elims make them go insane so that I would look even more suspicious? Not sure how that would help the village more than the elim team. Wouldn't that just give the elim team information so that they could better judge who they make insane? Straw revealed what they were and what they could do and look what happened to them. The only ones that don't lean elim for me are Elandera, Devotary, and Experiance. @Rathmaskal I didn't even know you were still in this. Where are you, and what are your thoughts. I will put my votes on you until you show up, at least I hope you show up. Rath, Rath. Well, I will be back in a bit.

I will sign up as Lord Karn !

Thanks @Straw, have an upvote. That was a truly bamboozling game, great game elim team!

@Experience are you planning on voting?

Oops, Fura, Fura. Well it looks like I made a newb mistake. I know that it is our goal to get rid of the elims by either killing them or make them not attend the university. I know that the elims job is to get the villagers either insane or dead. Or at least thats what I think its supposed to be if I remember the rules correctly. I am not sure how to convince yall that I am not an elim and it seems like I just keep digging a deeper hole for myself, so I will let whatever happens, happen.

Its looking like the only way that I am going to survive the lynch is by voting on Lopen. I would rather vote on Fura but since that doesn't look like it is going to happen this turn I will vote twice on Lopen Lopen, that way you guys can get a confirm from Straw. Unless they suddenly turn out to be elim and are just trolling me. GM's can we get a vote count? Also @Straw can you vote?

Hello. This is for Straws scan, and whomever else can do it and wants to do it. That was xino right. Okay, lets do this. So far I am most suspicious of Fura, I have already explained it somewhat. Then it goes to Greene Rover who hasn't quite shaken my gut feeling on them. Then it goes to Lopen. People that I do trust more than not are Araris, Elandera, and Straw. Araris and Elandera are more gut reads with Staw less so which the interaction in the pm's. Also I will let everyone know that I have had no interaction with Hael outside this thread.

Hello yall! I am going to follow up with the same vote as last round with Fura Fura. @Furamirionind I do not feel comfortable sharing with you information because you are the most suspicious of me even though it is still a soft suspicion. Anybody who want's to ask me just pm me, if I fell trusting of you I will tell you, just ask.