Child of Hodor

I think Sebarial will help bring an industrial revolution, through more mundane means. He has already started. WoR Ch. 40: He's been making incremental progress in engineering and the organizing of labor. He's had a slight setback with the relocation to Urithiru, but I'm sure he'll figure things out. I expect the ideas he and his people are working on combined with Navani's work will lead to a big leap in technology in the back 5. I'm not saying late 1800's or 1900's tech but out of the middle/dark ages.

TL;DR they had a different way of accessing magic on Ashyn unrelated to KR and spren. Before the humans came to Roshar (the planet) they were on Ashyn. The 10 surges represent 10 fundamental forces (Gravity, Light etc.) that can be manipulated via magic in the Rosharan System (Roshar, Ashyn Braize +10 gas giants). https://wob.coppermind.net/events/81/#e5238 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/74/#e9725 The way to access these powers was different on Ashyn than the way humans are doing it on Roshar. Silence Divine spoilers:

The original Vessels would have to have originally been one of the three intelligent species on Yolen at the time of the Shattering: Human, Sho Del or Dragon. Singers were not originally of any Shard because there were not Shards of Adonalsium back then, there was just Adonalsium. They existed pre-shattering. Some Vessels are non-human, all are from Yolen. 3 Intelligent species to choose from: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/314/#e8933 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/219/#e7982 Parshendi existed pre-shattering: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/188/#e3922 Bunch of other WoBs on the making of Roshar: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/31/#e1723 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/131/#e3952 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/324/#e9283 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/314/#e8903

Yes, 10 is the magic number of the entire system. Braize is 9, I suspect because Odium is "in residence" there or other actively did something to break it. Odium is "The Void", maybe his natural number is -1 and him hanging out on Braize makes it 9. WoB:: The voidbinding chart shows 10 but 2 are "trapped" in the ruby at the center. Maybe they are merged into 1 making it 9. This may be the fuzziness Brandon talks about here:

I think he was definitely, briefly, a Shard vessel. The theory is: Tanavast was the last vessel of Honor. Tanavast died and Honor was splintered to pieces, but Tanavast's cognitive shadow was absorbed by The Stormfather. Tanavast's cognitive shadow is still Connected to the remnants of Honor. Dalinar has bonded the Stormfather and has is now bonded or connected to Tanavast's cognitive shadow. In a 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon way Dalinar is connected to Honor's remnants Dalinar can piece things back together on multiple realmatic levels (like he did with the statue in Thaylen City). Dalinar briefly pieced Honor's remnants back together or enough of it to reform the perpendicularity. I think he is ascending even before he does the clap. Right about here: "They swirled around him in a column of golden light. Beyond it, Odium stumbled back. So small. Dalinar thought. Has he always looked that small?" OB Ch. 119 Dalinar was overwhelmed by the vastness of Odium previously, now he sees Odium's physical representation as a tiny portion of an equal. I wonder if Dalinar, The Stormfather and Tanvast's cognitive shadow will all Ascend together as one Vessel. On the spiritual level Dalinar and the Stormfather are one soul now and some of Tanavast is in the mix somewhere. I'm looking for a twist, I don't think it will be straightforward.

That's a good question. We know they have 9 orders, we don't know that a power is missing. The voidbinding chart has 10 powers.I assume the two orders in the ruby in the middle are combined into one order. It may be less that one is "missing" and more that two are combined into one. KR access their powers through the ideal system (after they bond a spren) which combines two Shards. Honor: Swear oaths and stick to them. Cultivation: You don't get to swear them all at once. There is a progression and only when a person has grown / is "ready" to say the next ideal do they gain more powers. Whatever the Fused are doing is accessed through Odium and may be the reason each order seems to only have one, but the chart shows the powers going to multiple orders. I don't know why 2 Shards = 2 Powers .. 1 Shard = 1 Power (1 Like = 1 Respect) on Roshar. It doesn't seem to work this way in other systems in the Cosmere.

I think he's Bondsmith as well. As for what's up with him appearing Dalinar's dream, there is this idea of a Spiritual Corpse Brandon talks about. Maybe Dalinar is interacting with that. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/183/#e3910 "Even after a long time, there's a record of that spirit web in the spiritual realm." Because Dalinar is connected to Honor's remnants through the Stormfather, Dalinar may be able to interact with these spirit webs. Might be how he hears Evi. I think him having the dream of Gavilar at the end of WoR where a blinding light ends it and Nohadon's dream where there is a blinding light at the start are due to the same thing. I think the light is Honor's power, like how everyone (except Odium) has to shield their eyes when Dalinar is forming Honor's perpendicularity.

Sorry, this typo is bugging me.

I feel like Cultivation access to magic would be through progress/growth over time like it is with her part of the KR access. They swear ideals but not all at once, only once they have become ready to which is an internal growth issue. From Honor’s perspective there is no reason not to agree to more than one ideal at a time. That’s not how codes of conduct or laws work, we don’t agree to follow one law and if it goes well then we can agree to obey more. As you said that’s why she or her super-spren wouldn’t know how to or want to grant Lift’s wish to not change. I think she has something to do with the gemhearts. Brandon said a one magic system is related to Fabrials and those seem to depend on gemhearts which are very nature based growing inside of living things and all. He also counts The Old Magic as a magic system. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/219/#e7932

I was doing some reading on psychology for unrelated reasons and I came across literature describing anger as a powerful catalyst for change. When something in the world upsets us it motivates us to change that whether it is our own lifestyle, a personal relationship or a political/societal issue. It makes me think that Odium + Cultivation wouldn't be so bad. Could be really weird, but could also work well depending on the Vessel. In the WoR letter Frost refers to Odium as "divine hatred, separated from the virtues that gave it context." Giving Odium context (and a new Vessel) seem to be what needs to happen in SA. Cultivation would be good context. Honor obviously would as well. Cosmere spoilers: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/201403/go-forth-in-anger https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/wander-woman/201101/want-change-get-angry

Makes sense. He is more definitive in this WoB.

She is more active than Odium thinks, but she can be hiding and working on things on the sly. She was revered alongside Honor in the days of the Knights Radiant, there is a huge mural of her in Urithiru in the room Shallan found and now almost no one knows of her but they still know the Almighty. Her spren think she has withdrawn. She almost never visits the Nightmother. "YOU MUST FORGIVE MY DAUGHTER. the woman said. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN CENTURIES I'VE COME PERSONALLY TO SPEAK WITH ONE OF YOU." OB Ch. 114 She's made herself scarce. She's doing things, but doesn't want to be seen doing them. Location One WoB I linked has a footnote indicates the one off planet is not the Hide + Survive Shard, but there is a lot of confusion around this issue. Footnote: The questioner seems to be conflating two separate Shards in his question. There is the Shard that wants to hide and survive and another that is not on a planet.https://wob.coppermind.net/events/6/#e326 Here is another where the questioner asks about the Shard and says they are on an uninhabited world. Brandon refuses to give any information, which might have been taken as confirmation that it is on an uninhabited world because he doesn't correct the questioner, but Brandon might not have corrected them because as he says he doesn't want to give information. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/7/#e7043 One where the questioner says the hiding Shard is in outer space and Brandon doesn't correct them. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/6/#e326 Ingenuity Here is one where we don't here the question, but he says the Shard that is hiding is very intelligent. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/120/#e7889 Ingenuity is a synonym for intelligence and here are two where he hints Ingenuity is a Shard. So it is Ingenuity NOT on any planet and the planet it is not on is uninhabited.

Listening to the Shardcast on Germany WoBs a thought struck me: are we sure the Shard that is only trying to Hide + Survive isn't Cultivation? I hope not, I was/am fully on board with Wisdom or a synonym as a Shard. But I had this sinking feeling. The original WoB: Cultivation was mentioned by Tanavast in the last Vision of tWoK. We had not seen Cultivation yet. It depends on how Brandon interpreted the request and if he remembered Cultivation was mentioned once when he signed this. He didn't really answer the question because Hide + Survive was later clarified to not have much to do with the Shard's Intent. There is also confusion about whether the Shard is on a planet or not. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/6/#e326 In the footnote to this WoB it says there is one Shard that has no planet and a different Shard that is the Hide + Survive Shard. Implying that the Hide + Survive Shard has a planet, but it's confusing. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/124/#e1805 Hiding Cultivation is in hiding. Wyndle thinks Cultivation has given up on humanity and withdrawn. That would fit with a Shard being primarily focusing on their own survival via hiding. When we meet her she has a dim view of humanity and chooses to alter Dalinar because she thinks it will be useful to have a piece of him even if he joins Odium. Very utilitarian. Honor has a greater religious presence as the Almighty on Roshar in modern day. Odium has a bigger modern religious presence (The Passions). Cultivation is largely forgotten, she is mentioned as an old pagan goddess, once. A Shard that's been dead for ~2,000 years and a Shard whose main forces have not been on the planet for ~4,500 years are better remembered than the one that has been alive and on the planet the whole time. It's like she wanted people to forget about her, like when she wiped Dalinar's memory of her. Part of her going stealth mode. Surviving Surviving is tangentially related to Cultivation's Intent because things have to still exist in order to grow and change. Could say that for most Shards, but she is more associated with lifeforms and the ways they develop than most Shards. Evolution drives most change in the natural world and that is based on survival of the fittest. The Diagram came about after Mr. T visited the valley and was changed by either the Nightwatcher or Cultivation. Either way Cultivation's influence is in the Diagram and they are focused on survival at any cost. Cultivation is focused on her own survival and this group brought about by her influence is also scarily utilitarian and single-minded about saving some humans at the cost of most. I notice the similarity in the stressing of how high "the cost" would be between what she says to Dalinar and this. The recent WoB discussed on the podcast. I find it odd that in zero appearances in the books this mystery Shard has had a change of heart. It's possible, clearly Hoid and others are having adventures off page. But we at least meet Hoid, Kelsier and Khriss. Maybe there is a Wisdom: Secret History going on. I still like the Wisdom Shard and I have a hard time believing that people have been asking Brandon about this mystery Hide + Survive shard for 8 years like it is not one we've heard the Intent for and he's never corrected the initial assumption. Maybe he doesn't think it's a big deal and he has said he doesn't want to give any new info on Shards outside of the books because he doesn't want to be locked in. When I think about what Cultivation's strategy has been since Honor's death it does fit Hide + Survive. The latest WoB indicates a change in strategy or attitude and I think it fits a Shard that has been seen in the last 8 years more than one we've never met. Perhaps, Cultivation has realized hiding won't work against Odium and has been switching up her approach a bit. One day we'll have our minds blown by all the seeds she has planted while in hiding.

@Chaos On the Shard that wants to hide and survive ... are we sure that’s not Cultivation? Was Cultivation a confirmed Shard when that WoB was given? Or are we sure Brandon remembered that Cultivation was already confirmed when he was writing that WoB about a currently unknown Shard? Odium says Cultivation has “hidden herself away”. the Diagram started after Mr. T visited the Valley and is all about ensuring that a “seed of humanity” survives. Cultivation may have realized that it’s not enough and is changing strategies. It’s weird for Brandon to be talking about a Shard going through changes over the years if that Shard has never been introduced.

That's a good point, Hoid uses some sort of time-dilation / hypersleep / stasis so that he doesn't experience all the time that has passed since his birth, in addition to being immortal. I would think she also has made herself ageless or slowed her aging, because she undoubtedly knows various ways to accomplish it using the magic systems that she's studied extensively. Brandon seems to indicate worldhoppers like Khriss are using a combo of the above: Besides, why wouldn't she partake in immortality? The only way she can chronicle all everything she wants to is if she sticks around to study it all, time-dilation can only do so much, she might get stuck on a planet for a long time due to unforeseen circumstances. Hoid has some special ability to understand exactly where he needs to be (although sometimes it fails him) Khriss may not have that or access to Fortune, whatever that involves.

The Lopen novella seems like the least essential SA novella one could think of, outside of a novella for The Stick. On the plus side The Stick's novella would be very easy to write. I'm pessimistic about the 2020 release. I'm sure he has more tours he has to do and that will put him behind. Hopeful he'll decide which novella he wants to focus on and that is released in 2020.

The decay form stanza about not walking on rocky river beds and hills makes me think of the Stone Shamans “Don’t walk on stone”

I haven't seen this new WoB commented on in the either this or the SA forum yet, apologies if I missed it. This, like all things Patji, has me a little confused. I assumed Hoid wrote a letter to Patji who is the one that cannot respond. However, this WoB indicates Patji did respond. Who is the one that cannot respond, then? Or did Hoid write it to the Island Patji and the Entity Patji responded. Brandon speaks of them in those terms in this WoB: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/315/#e9385 It does make sense that Patji is responding because of the references to water and dangerous trials. Was Hoid confused and thought the Island itself was an avatar of Autonomy, but then the Avatar is like "Hey, you got my address wrong."? Maybe more like "Please, Mr. Patji is my Island's name. Call me Patji" Or did he Hoid write or speak to a different Avatar that can't respond and Patji was stuck writing Hoid back? My interpretation of this is that Hoid talked to a different Avatar that, for some reason could not respond. And yet the letter writer comments in the Ch. 46 that they are surprised Hoid found them "we thought it well hidden" and in the ch. 43 epigraph above they express surprise at being located. It really does sound like Hoid wrote a letter to a pile of dirt. Or maybe he talked to an Aviar thinking Patji would get the message. The bird can't respond, but Patji can experience what the invested bird is experiencing. I think Autonomy Avatars being separate in body and mind, but the soul is part of the confusion. The writer may mean different things each time they use we or us.

I like how similar Rashek is to Kelsier. Both members of oppressed groups both charismatic and hateful towards to the ruling class. I think TLR wasn’t into religion because he learned through his uncle that Ruin was screwing with the texts and the religion he grew up with was not reliable. He put that plate in the ministry building quoting his uncle saying only engraving in metal can be trusted.

Yeah, it's awful.

So is Odium the Burger King now? Both wear crowns and now Burger King is all “Only I truly understand you” “I care about emotions.” “I’m the only fast food (Shard) that does”

It’s speculation, but there is a WoB saying Honor’s perpendicularity moves and the Highstorms are associated with Honor and full of his investiture. The Highstorms aren’t the perpendicularity but connected. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/36/#e1525

That’s a connection i never made. Aimian’s probably circumnavigated and mixed with east coasters. As to the origin, there has to be something out there. It keeps being brought up.

Ahhhhh! Weird, I like it. Might be how the species started as well. Little organisms synced up somehow.

It's really interesting that they are worldhoppers and are on other planets. I believe he said in the past that at least one will be in the final mistborn era, but I hadn't thought they would be on a bunch of planets already. Mostly because they have a hard time fitting in as humanoids and their hordelings while can blend in on Roshar, but none of the other planets we've seen have anything like them. They'd really stick out. I assume it is just the way he said it because it is an impromptu answer during a signing, but "settled on Roshar" is an odd way to put it. People usually settle places they came to from somewhere else. I can't imagine the Sleepless are not Roshar natives. Maybe some Sleepless left and made other Sleepless elsewhere and those Sleepless came to Roshar and "settled. How do Sleepless reproduce anyways? Like not a more hoardlings, but a separate hivemind? If they make a ton of hoardlings and then some of them get out of range from the main group do they begin to develop a separate mind?