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It is odd though that they so closely resemble humans especially if they came after the fused. You would think if that were the case they would be much more Parshedi like.

Think About what you posted here makes me think that there is some connection between humans and voidspren. Perhaps the originated on ashlyn That might even have been what brought the surges to ashyn.

Can intelligence voidspren make regals?

At the very least we know she can stick things together like Kaliden can.

Hiding inside a body It seems to be a trait that is comon for void Spren ( Possibly as a substitute for their inability to become fabrels) . I don't think a regular watcher watcher Spren would have this ability.

Make sense they are said to be the most varied out of any order

That's even stranger. As the quiz has a mechanic in it that that automatic automatically subtracts a certain number of points from your bondsmith score to simulate how rare Bondsmith are.

When and why were the voidspren created? This seems to be a hole in the timeline of desolation. Did the creation of void Spren happen naturally? If so was the first desolation just fused? If they were created purposely they what was there purpose?

We do in rhythm of war. And it sepacifically says That his illumination is different from their's.

And he can't now anyways beening dead.

Because see the future is voidbinding and it was confirmed in RoW that uncorrupted truth watchers can't.

how about connecting Someone with storm light healing to someone without in such a way that The storm light thinks that the 2 bodies are the same Allow in for the other person to Be healed every time the surge binder use storm light.

Good point, curious why do you dislike the Chanarach = Shallan's mother hypothesis ?

The Desolation started before the ever storm. When taln came to earth.

Word of Brandon says taln didn't break which implies a second harold.

Stormlight 5 prologue

Just the opposite. Remember they have to be found by the fused. Remember also what the stormfacker said when the herald died "they mustn't know" they are probably the fused. My guess is the fused didn't realize a new Herald died then 6 years later then happened upon her and she broke.

Not really. Having 2 would be a terrible disaster. As according to the storm father in the last few desolations Most of the Heralds Broke the minute they were found by the fused

"She's started overcoming her trauma, I would say she is very close to doing so. Yet there is hardly any difference in her spren." And there should be it's a switch not a process we learned that from sly "Nowhere does she go 'wait, spren can lie?'. " If i recall correctly those are almost her exact words I suggest you reread it "Actually, you're the one making up terms. " Then show me where " half dead, half broken, half deadeye" appear in the text "whimpering, not screaming. And not weeping either. We've never seen a deadeye weep," So just because we haven't seen it doesn't mean it's unusual. If it were Brandon Sanderson would have put it in the text. "and we know that Syl was different from other deadeyes because of the ease of her revival (If such a revival even took place)" We have never seen another Spren brought back How could we possibly make a comparison that doesn't exist? Did you miss her flashbacks? That's what she was doing. Her father's anger, Nan Balat's sadistic tendencies, Rushu's gambling addiction, Wikim's suicidal depression, those are all due (mostly or partially) to the Unmade's influence. " Perhaps I reread the word of Brandon. But I'm pretty sure he talked about prior to her mother's death.

"Full deadeyes are much harder to revive, as evidenced by Testament not being revived despite Shallan overcoming the trauma that caused her to go back on her oaths." I've already explained that Shallan Has not overcome her trauma read my last comment. Never once has the word fool dead eyes or half at dead eyes been used in the book or in words of Brandon you're literally making up terms. This isn't a thing if it is show me in the book. "Exactly. Why would he lie and doom Syl to becoming a deadeyes forever? The only explanation is that Syl wasn't dead, or the Stormfather didn't know she could be revived. Given that even Syl thought deadeyes could be revived if their Knight was still alive, I'm sure the Stormfather knew that as well, so it makes no sense for him to lie unless Syl was still alive." Syl Didn't think that tell After she had been revived. It was only with the knowledge that could be done that she could speculate on that. Before that she wouldn't have known neither would have any one else. You seem to be missing the point of what I was saying. My point is that the storm's father lie makes no sense in your theory lying would not have saved syl. "Where are you getting that from? Shallan didn't fight an Unmade as a child. She fought the Unmade's influence on her family. And she said that she's going to absorb Radiant, once she's properly rested." No she said she would absorb radiant when when the time was right like she did veil. It's not like it takes energy to absorb a personality she doesn't have to rest up. And yes that's what I am talking about fighting the unmade's influence. She hasn't said anything about fighting any of the unmade influence on her family so I would assume that then she has not fully unlocked her memory the rest is probably in brightness radiant. "Kaladin had no powers and could not talk to or see Syl. Shallan had a deadeye Blade, and apparently had powers, but we never really see her use them unless I'm mistaken. Neither Shallan nor Kaladin had a shapeshifting Blade, let alone a bond strong enough to do what Sigzil does." Again all this can be explained by a dawnshard. And your contradicting yourself, you laid earlier that Kaladin could hear sly. "I don't know, but even Shallan knew that Pattern could lie. She just thought he was completely trustworthy. Never once did she go "oh snap, spren can lie? Storms, my whole life's been a lie!"" Actually she does do you not remember rhythm of war. "Yes, it was weeping. I looked up the reference. Throughout the series deadeyes, besides Maya who is partially revived, have only ever screamed or whimpered. We've never seen them weep." But it never says anywhere that they can't. Again you're making stuff up. And you're also wrong you whimper when you're weeping. I have never ever seen anyone whimper without weeping.

"Their spren are quite dead. As evidenced by the fact that they're incapable of weeping." Then either you're wrong or syl lied to Kaliden. Because syl said they could be brought back, And you say That that isn't possible unless thier "half way" dead. "After Kaladin fell into the chasm, Syl was hurt, and the Stormfather ordered her to stay away from Kaladin, then told him that Syl was dead and there was no way to bring her back." This is all in your imagination never once does the storm father say he ordered Syl to do anything till after Kaliden brings her back. Syl never says " Don't feel bad kaliden I was never dead at all I was just a little hurt" Besides why would the storm father lie in the 1st place what good would it do. It's not like distance Could have saved her if Kaliden made her a dead eyes. "When speaking to Syl, the Stormfather's argument is not 'he killed you once, he'll do it again' it is 'he betrayed his oath, and he will (Future tense) kill you'" It would still be the future if it did again I don't see what's your problem with this phrasing. Because the storm far they're specifically did not say the word "again" He could have just implied it he doesn't have to say everything outright. "not destroyed her only hope of survival by telling Kaladin he couldn't fix it." He didn't know. What happened to syl Was unprecedented. No dead Spren Had been Revived up to that point, Because all of the former Knights radiance were long dead. "This is an outright lie, as deadeyes do not weep" Now you're just making things up, Show me one passes where it says dead eyes don't weep. Besides are you sure it said she was weeping and not screaming? It's been a while since I reread that part in words of radiance. "Well... Shallan kinda did all that. She confronted the fact that she killed her mother, and killed her spren. She has her memories back. Unless you subscribe to the Shallan's mother was a Herald theory." I do but that's irrelevant. If Shallan Had completely recovered from my from her trauma she wouldn't need brightness radiant. And would have absorbed her As well. And she doesn't have all her memories as she does not remember fighting the Unmade as a child. "Was it a major reveal? I never got that impression." Seriously what do you think was the whole point of the shallan, pattern story line in row? "It hurt Syl. And breaking the oaths also broke the bond. How do Sig and Aux have a bond if Sigzil broke it?" Again I've already explained this look at syl, Or look at Testament. Bonbs that are broken still remain. Everything else can be explained by dawn shard.

"First off, no, it's not speculation. We see everything that I describe occur in WoR." No, what we see is: 1.Syl died 2. Stormfather confirmed her death. 3. Kaliden brings her back to life 4.she tries to reunite with him but is stopped by the stormfather. 5. Kaliden says the 3 ideal overriding the stormfather. Everything else is in your imagination. Never once dose syl say anything about being imprisoned by the stormfather. Never once did she or anyone else call the storm father a liar. Hell The fact that Spren can lie was a major Reveal in rhythm of war . Do you really think Brandon Sanderson would make a major reveal out of something that he already revealed literally 2 books ago. Besides this there's the fact that syl has said that it should be possible for the Spren killed in the recrience to be revived if only thier knights were still alive. Are you suggest that the old night's radiance only half way killed thier Spren? Never once has anyone in the books said anything about halfway breaking an oath, Or half way killing a Spren. If I'm wrong show me. "Second off, Aux wouldn't be dead if Sigzil 'half way' broke his oaths. Unless he's a CS." Sly died. Besides If Aux is CS then there would be no oaths to break in the first place. "Then how come Testament's still dead?" Another easy question, as we saw with Kaladin, one has to confront the contradiction that caused you to break your oaths in the first place. For Kaladin that ment risking his life to save the king (a reverse of the decision to let the king die). With Shallan Things are a bit more complicated her ideas are truths That she acknowledges about herself. After her mother's death she begins to suppress her memories. The very opposite of acknowledging truths. This is Probably what caused her Spren to die. While it was not a conscious decision nevertheless it was a decision To suppress the truth to herself and is the very opposite of the ideals of the lightweavers. To resurrect her spren she must deal with the trauma That caused her to break her oaths in the first place. This has been her arc throughout the entire book. It is almost complete now I suspect it will be complete by the end of book 5, Once that happens she should automatically resurrect her Spren. Just like we saw with Kaliden. "half way' breaking his oaths (or breaking them as Kaladin did in WoR) would not kill Auxiliary." It killed sly.

"While the bond was almost completely broken, Syl wasn't dead, as she could still talk. The Stormfather was preventing her from going to Kaladin, only relenting when he swore the oaths. The Stormfather told Kaladin that Syl was completely dead, and there was no way to save her. We see this to be an obvious untruth when Syl speaks to Kaladin and the Stormfather at the end of WoR, completely conscious and sentient." This is all you speculation not in the text. Even if it was it fits into my argument even better then yours because if you can "half way" break your oaths then we can dismiss any inconsistencies with Nomad by saying he "half way " broke his oaths. Come to think of it this might explain why Axu isn't mad at him and why he says his oaths "ended" without taking about them being broken. "Shallan's straight up resworn oaths. How is Sig's spren so functional if he just broke his oaths?" Wrong again Shallan sworn new oaths to pattern not testament. She has no need to reswear to testament. "If he broke his oaths without justification, why would he say that they 'ended'? That's the whole point of this thread, after all. To try and theorize about why Sigzil says it this way." And I answer it. Either his just using a euthanism or your "half way" broken oath theory is correct.

"The Stormfather is obviously lying. Syl is very much still alive, kept away from Kaladin by the Stormfather, nearly dead because of his nearly broken oaths. Becoming a deadeyes is not something that can be easily reversed." There's literally no evidence for this if this were true how come kaliden seemingly lost his power? "Her spren is still a deadeyes, and hasn't even recovered as much as Maya." Yes so? But why phrase it that way? It's avoiding responsibility in a way that neither Hoid nor Aux would allow. If he had broken his oaths, I would expect one or the other to immediately reply with something along the lines of 'you mean you broke your oaths. They didn't just end.' Are you sure we've only just met Aux I don't think either of us can confidently say what he would or would not do. As for a hoid, he Clearly saw nomad Was in a bad place. He went so far as to lie in order to comfort him. I doubt he thought it was the right time for a confrontation. "No, it's called euphemism. And it doesn't make sense in the case that he broke his oaths." Why not? it makes perfect sense to me.

"They're broken enough to kill the spren. Kaladin never completely broke his oaths as Shallan did, and it seems that the Stormfather might have intervened to save Syl as well. If Sig's had his oaths broken for multiple planets, he would need to reswear them as Shallan did, or swear a new oath as Kaladin did." wrong on both accounts. 1. The storm father clearly States that he has killed Syl. 2. Shallan needed new oaths Only because she got a new Spren. "Right, sorry. Still, not someone he's going to lie to on purpose." It wasn't lie. Breaking his oaths would cause them to end. Why do we say: 'my brother is gone' instead of 'my brother was killed'? It's called euthanism.