Kokotheworm

Depend if I keep my near omniscient reader pov. Then I would take neither side and point out to each leader how the conflict is the enemy, conflict that mainly benefit one player, Odium, who is playing both side, humanity and singer, against Cultivation and actually the rest of the verse. After that try to figure out what the hell is going on with all them worldhoper and that whole investiture shard of a dead god going on. If I can't and I am simply a inhabitant of Roshar, I would probably go for team Human, but I would be cautious which team human we are talking about. Mr T's team? Dalinar the reformed monster, or other player. Let's not even talk about the other Human around there but that would assume I have an extensive knowledge of what's going on on Roshar. The singer while the original inhabitant and victim of slavery and other abuse have my sympathy, especially since they tend to put in place a system that's a lot fairer than human in some respect have those crazy flying dude and those unmade that would give me the creeps.

I don't think the Stormlight arc is drawing toward a contest of strength between two people. Rather it oriented toward solving the original crisis and subsequent vendetta between the Dawnsinger and this particular brand of humanity. A duel between two people , which neither will be Dalinar, will be just like in the last battle a secondary event In my opinion victory here is the fused giving up on their eternal war and accepting cohabitation with human.

I meant it as a cultural thing, both the religion and the way other reference it especially the people of Kholinar in oathbringer. I don't necessarily advocate that Odium shard his passion, though the fact that some of his unmade influence through those do point to a link, hatred is a passion perhaps the strongest one, since it overwhelm all other.

I did not, yet , read that. Thanks, this put one of my other reply into more context. In one of your quote though it appear the human who came to Roshar are either the product of another shard or an offshoot of humanity but that they encountered Odium after coming to Roshar. Was it there that he interfered with the religion , introducing the "Passion" into human of Roshar ?

I though the human refugee were using either Fabrial or the magic of Odium to burn away their first world. It tied with what I thought about them being the human Odium made,and worshiped, and through his intent/shard , which seem to be pure passion/feeling with hatred dominating, ending up using the surge to destroy their world. Now I am not so sure, the Storm-father says human were first of Odium then of Honor. Do we know were they originated in the first place?

A question I have been asking myself ever since I read Odium screaming like a little girl during Dalinar perpendicularity , this passage Was Odium making a reference to Tanavast or Adonalsium here? Since Dalinar is bound to the Stormfather I thought he was talking about Honor's vessel, which bring the question of who is this we he is talking about. I don't think Odium consider the fused and him as being part of a "team" so anything less than another shard would be I killed you using my pawn. Hence did Cultivation turn on Honor or was some other player involved. The other option, Odium referencing Adonalsium would indicate that in that instance Dalinar went beyond what Honor could do and somehow Odium saw the old God in that. I rather like the option since it tie's a bit with Dalinar other vision and feeling and it put some distance between the idea of Cultivation joining Odium in murdering their pal Tanavast.

I thought that prior to the Nahel Bond Human didn't have access to the Surge. That the Shards on Roshar didn't intend for the surge to be usable . Did the Human who came to Roshar used Fabrial?

Fresh lurker, long time reader I thought I would come and say hi, share some of my question and hopefully confuse anyone who bother to read me. See you out there.

What I am wondering about is why the fused ever agreed to be invested by Odium in the first place. If I followed the timeline correctly ancient Dawnsinger welcomed Human, at this point they are not of Honor/Tanavast but of Odium and come from a world they ravaged by using their power. I am not clear if it by surgebinding or voidbinding, but I am rather convince it is voidbinding since surgebinding is from Honor and since ,even without the Herald warning, surgebinding appear to be a investiture system who regulate itself in opposition to voidbinding. No hard proof there. So they welcome the son of Odium being urged to do so by their gods, is it Honor and Cultivation or just the spreen? If so is it the spren of Odium or the Spren of Culti and Honor? Humanity is confined to present day Shinovar, and at some point (speculation from me) split into two group those who do not leave Shinovar and are bound by the original "pact" the Shin and the other human who spread to Roshar. Then conflict erupt between Dawnsinger and those human, I highly suspect Odium and his unmade to be the driving force of this conflict. Loads of question here, are human voidbinding at the beginning of the conflict ? what power do the Dawnsinger have at their disposal to pose such a threat to human that Tanavast decide to side with them through the heralds. Since the Radiant and surgebinding appear much later after a few desolation. Regardless Odium end up investing Danwsinger making them Fused , but why would those accept? Odium is foreign to them , most likely the cause of the conflict, apart from this form of "Immortality" I don't really see why the would side with him. Edit : Nevermind it appear that the Human of Roshar were not from the 3 shard, that Odium came to Roshar after the human settled their, that human were interested in Odium more than the Dawnsinger , which might have been why a conflict arose.

Concerning the Dustmother Chemoarish , does she grant boon to people ? Hence the confusion between her and the Nightwatcher . If so are we absolutely sure Taravangian's curse and boon come from the Nightwatcher?

Did Odium even knew she was there? Looks to me that Lift biggest strength is that she doesn't register on the radar of everyone but one prior to the battle. Which doesn't mean her ability won't be critical yet I can't really bring myself to see her start nibbling at Odium, don't think it would sit well with her stomach. The only time you see Odium afraid, really afraid and loosing his composure his when Dalinar make his perpendicularity. Which by the way his puzzling in it's own way.