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While I happen to agree that his comment was made needlessly bombastically, I disagree that it was off-topic. The OPer himself wants to know what the various planets should look like. Someone suggested that Nalthis would have a ton of color, someone else mentioned that we'd only seen T'Telir have a ton of color, and Dent made his comment about what we've seen of Idris. While I fault him in that the manner he expressed himself was a failure of the 17th Shard's general standards of discourse, it was as on-topic as any post could be. He added that he thought that along with the deliberately boring colors, the scenes themselves were boring, which was tangential, but hardly uniquely so on this site.

If I'm right, all fabrials replicate hemalurgy, in a sense. However, to answer the question you're really asking, exactly what hemalurgy does. It would be a gemstone stuck onto a metal spike which you could stab into a person and rip off a chunk of their spiritweb, then staple it onto someone else. Presumably.

We got in a translator for the chain, but all it would say is, "I am a chain."

First, it's a huge leap to assume that the stormformers were literally suicidal. And they'd have to be. It's not a matter of doing something riskier or difficult in order to save lives, it's doing something significantly easier to save lives, and far more guaranteed. The Alethi armies almost stopped the song. If the listeners had been by themselves with a karaoke machine, they would have finished without risking failure. Sidenote: The voidspren, that we know of, have no reason to fear or hate the Alethi, specifically. All they should want is the Everstorm, as soon as possible. If they were truly able to utterly subjugate the listeners, they would have summoned the Everstorm the very day after the final highstorm, when they had as many listeners as they were gonna get. Their target is the continent, not one army. The fact that they didn't implies they're able to strongly influence the listeners, but not control them completely. (Or, admittedly, that the voidspren had some reason we don't know about why they needed to attack the Alethi.) Second, the alethi scouts were two or three plateaus over. The shattered plains are literally the size of a small country. This is why I commented that they'd go about 15 miles north before cutting west.

Though it might be interesting to use nicrosil on Szeth... get him to positively flare with stormlight for just a moment. The light would prolly penetrate walls.

I think I wasn't clear enough in the OP. Let me clarify now. Also, I disagree with you on certain points. Eeehhhh... that's a terrible trope in other fantasies that Mr. Sanderson has done an excellent job avoiding, in my opinion. (Warbreaker being a slight exception). I can't prove your wrong, but I hope very much you are. If nothing anyone did mattered after Renarin wrote his prophecy, the whole book is boring. To be clear, you're talking as though I don't understand the trope of prophecy. I understand it perfectly, and I think it's terrible, and I hope it's not the case. And, as I point out, it's kind of crazy. The listeners have a spy within Bridge 4. They almost certainly know that the humans have a prophecy counting down to a day the Everstorm comes. Eshonai knows tactics. If people are expecting something terrible to happen on Tuesday, and you want something terrible to happen, you don't sit and wait until they're prepared. You strike on Sunday when they'll have no idea something is coming. By your logic, they're not allowed to do that. They know the prophecy, they see it coming, they made a decision based on the information of the prophecy... and you're now telling me they're not allowed to do that. You say if they did it three days earlier, the prophecy would have said three days earlier. But since they know the prophecy, why aren't they allowed to choose, "Whatever day the prophecy doesn't say"? Whatever day the Alethi will not be expecting it? This is, and has always been, the problem with prophecy. It was a beaten dead horse by the time of ancient Greece, because it sounds all nice and poetical but makes no bloody sense. As I've said, Mr. Sanderson has avoided this trope before. In Way of Kings, there's a Death Rattle which says, "It is a thousand days, and the Everstorm comes." It was off by almost 25%. If prophecies are only that accurate on Roshar, it could have been 15 days in either direction. Mistborn spoilers Perfect prophecies remove agency from the characters. A story about characters with no agency is the story of a rock falling off a cliff. The final Highstorm was 2 weeks before the human army made it to Narak. Two weeks that the listeners spent sitting in their city, kicking their heels, doing nothing, just waiting. Two weeks Dalinar's coalition spent slowly crossing the plains, entirely exposed, counting on weeks and weeks of Hightstormless weather so they don't all die. I didn't say they would attack the warcamps, which they can't anyway. It's been made fairly clear that the listeners cannot escape the Shattered Plains, so there's no way for them to get west of the camps. What they could have done would have been to get west of the army. Stormform---------------------------+ | | Warcamps------------------Tower--------Alethi-Army-----Narak If the listeners had spent those two weeks simply going north, they could have passed the Alethi, drawn even with the Tower, and sent the Everstorm to kill the Army while they were sitting on the plains, not even close to what meager shelter Narak would have provided. What they ended up doing was splitting their army in two; half the listeners were singing the Everstorm up, while the other half had to fight and die to protect the singers. If they'd sat out in the plains, dozens of miles west of the Army, there would have been no reason to put anyone on guard. Not only would there be no army to fight, so not a single listener would have died, but they could have had twice as many listeners singing, and Eshonai made it clear that they needed as many as they could get.

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Inspired by these geniuses. "The storm will blow the wrong way... or, is it every other storm that's blown the wrong way?" Venli smiled. "Wait... the wrong way? As in, west to east?" "Yes. We'll have to wait until we're right on top of them." "...No, that's a terrible idea. Let's just circle them." "...What?" "Well if we wait until they reach us... first of all, we'll just be sitting here waiting, and I want the humans dead now. I mean, what are we waiting for, some sort of arbitrary timeline prophecied in carvings on a wall? And second, we'd have to have half of our forces defending against the Alethi army while the other half summons the storm. Not only does that mean some of our warriors will die, but since we've already established that the more of us summon the storm at once the better, let's just have everyone sing at once." "But... the Alethi are west of us." "Yeah, and the Plains aren't a single line. We take a few hours, travel northward about fifteen, twenty miles, enough to be way out of range of their scouts, and hoof it westward. We get past their army, sing our kumbayah with twice the listeners, and we win, several days ahead of schedule. Hey, we can even set up on the Tower, that's a nice dramatic place to stand when we kill a huge chunk of the Alethi armies." "That... I see nothing wrong with that plan. Let's do it!"

Eh... I mean, one sense organ is "the entirety of your skin." So... pretty much the whole body. I feel like you're going to get two overlapping sets of data from that, and that the correlation won't necessarily mean causation.

Can they? I know that's a power they had in a different draft, I don't know that it's still canon in text.

...Jasnah is maybe not the best example of a strict Vorin.

I'm proposing an alternative to the Dark Alley. We've seen that there are fabrials which can decrease the emotions of people. We've seen that there are fabrials which can detect, according to the ars arcana, "objects, feelings, sensations, or phenomenon". I humbly suggest this is a mimicry of sensory arcana such as Lifesense or allomantic bronze. And, of course, we've seen fabrials for the Surges of Transformation, Transportation, and Progression. I wonder if one day we might learn that fabrial science was designed to mimic other powers, without having to steal them. So, basically, if you wanted multiple powers, instead of having to kill someone and staple their soul onto your own in order to get them, you can simply build the appropriate fabrial. This would presumably have the downside of efficacy; it's far easier to simply have allomantic bronze and think about it than to play around with a fabrial. However, it has the upside that it doesn't require you to kill anyone, and we don't have it confirmed that it opens a rift in your soul which would allow in something referred to as a Dark God. Just a thought. I'd like to ask if Lift could possibly wear a fabrial which would allow her to store metabolic energy in it.

Yeah, border patrols in Shadesmar are killer. Seriously though, it's possible if not likely that travel in Shadesmar is actually incredibly hazardous to your health. It's possible you risk death with each and every trip. Sidenote... i don't know that even a "low-quality Soulcaster" is cheap or possible. There seem to be a limited number, and since they're viewed as religious relics they might not even be for sale. Though, granted, we only have direct knowledge of the Alethi ones; maybe in other cultures, they're simply a tool. Still, there's prolly an easier way. Vstm (I can't recall his real name, Rysn's babsk) says he got the metal from ardents practicing Soulcasting. For a presumably only slightly more nominal fee, you could ask them to pick gold instead of whatever metal they did pick. Though I wonder if that's still the best use... allomantic metals might be in more demand, especially difficult to get ones like cadmium. Aluminum, we know, is expensive on Roshar, so while it would fetch an excellent price on Scadrial, it might still not be cost-effective. I've already mentioned bringing silver to threnody; there's not a ton which is of worth on Threnody, however, to trade your silver for. It might make an interesting fortress, however... if one were able to acquire a Soulcaster capable of silver... bring it to Threnody, soulcast the ground itself into a MASSIVE disc of silver, build your house on it. Buy slaves on Roshar, feed them to the Shades around your property, so that it's just lousy with Shades. You have your own little fortress surrounded by demonic forces to protect you.

I don't think you're correct... Vorinism, like all religions, has grown and changed over time. For example, the Radiants were once revered, and have since been cast down. Then Vorinism turned into the Hierocracy, and thereafter into the Devotaries. Vorinism has changed, and one of those changes was the addition of the cultural belief in the Feminine versus Masculine arts. It's notable that only Vorin kingdoms follow these precepts. And yes, the Ardents follow different rules. The Ardents are also property. Priests in religions typically hold to a different set of morays than followers.

It saddens me that you're completely missing my point. You still refuse to see that all the things you state with such confidence aren't very likely. Even here, the most you're willing to concede is that you're still probably correct, and every other scenario I propose is "unlikely." You're saying the Shamans will hear that Kaladin can Surgebind, and will assume this means he has the Honorblade, because every other Radiant will keep their powers hidden. The entire Alethi nobility calls Shallan "Brightness Radiant." It is not, as you put it, an "unlikely scenario" that these rumors will state that she is a Radiant. And this is my point. You just said that any scenario other than "The Shamans will come to the incorrect conclusion that Kaladin is a normal guy who killed Szeth and took his Honorblade, and that's why he has Windrunner powers" is an "unlikely scenario," but it's only even possible based on a premise that's more or less impossible. You've stated that, as far as you're concerned, I'm asking you to put disclaimers on everything, even when you are 90% correct. That is not, nor has it ever been, what I've said. What I've said is, you're saying things like "90% correct" or "any other scenario is unlikely" or even just assuming it as the premise of a statement when it's an argument that is almost certainly wrong. I have said this, this clearly, a dozen times now, and you still claim I'm just nitpicking because you're 90% right instead of 100% right.

And I'm not trying to say that I think it's impossible that we'll eventually learn that all Truthwatchers get prophetic sight during Highstorms. I just see an encompassing sense across the forums that this is the presumptive case, when I see a number of glaring inconsistencies which leads me to believe that another scenario is at least as, if not more, likely. None of it means that I don't think it's possible.

The entirety of the Unclaimed Hills, if I recall, is covered in grass. It's implied that grass is the default in most places. That said, there's a GREAT deal more variety in plantlife color than Earth typically sees. Apart from known-inhospitable places like the Frostlands or the Shattered Plains, I'd default most places to green, but don't be afraid to make a random forest of red or orange or white. Recall that Shallan's Middlefest flashback takes place in a basin filled with trees... I think they are stated as being predominantly white. And the lait she finds just outside the Shattered Plains had a psychadelic collection of plantlife.

From what I understand of Occam's Razor, it is indeed a fallacy, just like your A then ~B doesn't automatically mean ~B then A. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Razor is, "Assume the simplest, most obvious explanation is true." Basically, of all the options, find the one most likely, even if it's only 30% likely, and assume it's true. People use it, and people can be right a lot using it, but it remains faulty logic which leads people to be sure of something that's not logically sound. It is my understanding that there's a fundamental difference between applying Occam's Razor and thinking, "Okay, this thing has a 95% chance of being right, so until we confirm it, let's just keep our eye on it and continue speculating." I now get the sense that when you say you're using Occam's Razor, you're not using the fallacy as I know it, you're doing the second thing. I didn't mean to imply that no one should ever speculate without perfect knowledge. Sorry, you sorta caught me in the middle of a broader debate with Moogle about this. Speculation is amazing and I heartily encourage it, and you are in fact being far more rigorous in your speculation than I have so far given you credit for, and for that I apologize (and it's very kind of you to apologize in turn and recognize that you could be even more rigorous. It's just plain nice to talk to someone who sees rigor as a worthy goal.) Tangent because I'm slightly confused. In the back of my mind, I've speculated that Dalinar's visit might have inflicted a Curse upon Renarin. Did I actually say this, and you're referencing that? Or did I not say this, and you independently speculate the same thing? I more-or-less agree with you. I find it unlikely that the Nightwatcher would curse Dalinar's son for Dalinar's Boon. That said... I do wonder if it's possible. It would be cruel, and more to the point we're not sure if she can Curse someone who isn't present. I also state that if Renarin was Cursed, it must've been when he was very young. I agree with you that it would take a pretty quirky scenario to get Renarin close enough ask for a Boon... but it could happen. What if Renarin was born sicker even than now? Maybe he was born with seizures so bad they'd kill him. Maybe his mom took him to the Nightwatcher, asked to save his life, and for the same reasoning you just brought up, she gave both the Boon and the Curse to the same person; she reduced Renarin's fits to mild, infrequent seizures, and put him on the autistic scale. OR. And I'm flying high on the speculation broomstick now. Dalinar always loved Navani. Maybe I'm going sorta Lifetime movie here, but I could see the case being made for her realizing that, but no one notices how it hurts her. She loves Dalinar, and all she wants is to find a way to earn his love in return. What if she hatches a desperate plan? What if she gets it into her head that giving Dalinar the perfect son will finally win his love? Maybe she goes to the Nightwatcher, and that's the Boon she wants. (This also sorta ties in to Nightwatcher-is-Cultivation, since it feels very Cultivation to do.) Shshshsh gives birth to Adolin, her handsome, strong, perfect Alethi prince son (this genetic modification also explains why he has almost no black hair, something that's bothered me if you're supposed to have hair proportional to your heritage and Dalinar is 100% alethi... either Shshshsh is about 600% non-Alethi, which would mean she's got 12 grandfathers, or the variance is ~49%, in which case why even have a standard at all, OR something hinky is going on). Then her Curse is to bear a second son, one who is NOT the perfect Alethi ideal, one who will be weak and sick and autistic, smart and built for the ardentia but eternally yearning to be a warrior. ...In my defense, you DID ask. Like I said, I've got nothing against rampant speculation, as long as it's admitted as such. I guess, what it boils down to... we know practically nothing about Renarin, his circumstances, or his history. This, to me, makes him different from someone like Kaladin. We know a great deal about Kaladin. If someone wanted to start speculating on him, I'd be less comfortable, because there's not a ton of room. But for someone like Renarin? Yes. What little we know about him makes it unlikely he's been to the Nightwatcher, or that he's the result of the Old Magic. Yet... there's still SO MUCH MORE to learn about him. It's well within the bounds of possibility that something we learn will overturn all that we think we know. In conclusion, I promise again to police myself better and not accuse you of things you didn't say or do. Also in conclusion, pondering about Renarin amuses me for now. So little is known about him, almost everything has to be speculation. As more information is revealed, I will be fascinated to see what which of my guesses will be close and which will be so far off the mark I'm at a different archery range.

You may wish to re-read The Weeping. Tien carves a horse. Kaladin comments that it's a perfect replica of an actual living horse Tien had seen the previous day, much as Shallan can draw from memory an entire wall filled with maps and writing she glanced at. If you re-read The Weeping, and also possibly the the earlier flashback chapter where they catch a Lurg, and compare it to the Chasm scenes in Words of Radiance, I think you'll see that it's not simply a matter of "Tien's a likeable fellow and I feel better when he's around." Kaladin is an extremely accurate portrayal of someone who suffers from Seasonal Affective Disorder. You can no more "snap out of it" than people can simply "get over" depression, no matter how infectious someone's smile is. The sort of change that comes over Kaladin in both of their cases is the sort of thing that in our world would require drugs and therapy; bereft of either, and considering that Kaladin points out these two people, and only these two people ever, have made him feel this way, I think my conclusion has strong merit.

An interesting theory belied somewhat by the location; he keeps the flutes locked up in his secret "I am obviously a Son of Honor" room.

My friends and I asked this and apparently the E can be either EE, or AY just like the letter A. Another thing to keep in mind is that this is only for the vowels in the Aons themselves, not the tacked-on bits that turn Aons into names. So, for example, Sarene would actually be "Sah-RAY-NAY". For the first time ever I have absolutely no problem using my headcanon pronunciation.

Dating on Roshar works when Jasnah convinces Shallan that Adolin is handsome and well-versed in amiable discourse, they establish a casual betrothal and begin courting.

Ym and Lift. I don't think either of them are Lighteyes.

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