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  1. I think there's a WoB that says some sets of Shards have to be plural to make a planet, and the Coppermind says that Starling says that Invention is a maker of planets, ones more advanced than Scadrial. Does this indicate that Invention is the greatest planet-making Shard?
  2. W&T is my favorite individual fantasy book out of all I've ever read. And I like the whole Archive to date anyway. So: 1. W&T 2. WoK 3. OB 4. WoR 5. RoW
  3. One of my favorite scenes in all the Cosmere books is when Leras does his dying semaphore for Elend, taking the uneasy buildup towards the attack on Yomen and inverting the whole affair. I think sometimes the rational outcome of the mysterious/unsettled premises we're given is that our current information is both more and less important, in curious ways, than what we expect. So I wonder if the puzzle of the fourth Rosharan moon is like a half-red herring?
  4. Maybe the very reason the fourth moon was lost was because it didn't correspond to a Shard or a spren or a force?
  5. A stretch: an emerald sea vs. an emerald city. A little less: the Sorceress vs. the Wizard. OTOH the Sorceress is also like a Witch... I haven't gotten far enough to know what's up with the talking animal character, so not sure if it's even thematically reminiscent of e.g. WICKED. Also, I'd be implying an analogy between Tress and Dorothy, probably. Unless Sanderson read a bunch more of the old Oz books or something, maybe Tress is more Ozma-like, who knows but I wish I knew more about Sanderson's reading background... I did understand in advance that a different story he's writing was inspired, structurally, by FF6, but I think that was mostly luck at the time (my actual evidence base was almost totally the vibes I got from books written a while ago, before the ones where my guess was supported). (A horrible sample: I for some reason automatically visualized the FF10 sphere grid when I originally read about cosmere spiritwebs, and that accounted hugely for my belief that Sanderson draws inspiration from the FF games at all, which is true, fine, but that was not a clearly justified inference, by me, at the time. So I don't want to be like, "I was right about that, so maybe I'm right about Tress and Oz," I already feel even less inwardly confident in this newer analysis/cross-reference.)
  6. Suppose that Valor foresaw that one day, Hoid would ask for her help dealing with Retribution. Let's say this was quite a long time ago, when she foresaw this. So she goes to Endowment with a request for help, Endowment fulfills the request as her role in the forging of Nightblood. From Valor's POV, then, she's already helped Hoid preemptively, so Hoid would just get a little reveal about that when he finds her, but not her willing to go to Roshar after Retribution's Ascension. She'll be like, "I knew you'd ask for help, so I did this, if that's not enough well I don't have anything more to give you at this point." (So I'm guessing, if just for this theory, that Nightblood has some of Ruin, some of Endowment, and some of Valor in it.)
  7. Maybe the distinction between virtue ethics, and consequentialism and deontology, is on the level of "acting under a description." Like your typical consequentialism or deontology use action descriptions that are less organic than virtue ethics does?

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      Not that this disproves anything utterly, more it's that more harmonizing can be done if you adapt utilitarianism and so on to different systems of action descriptions.

  8. So it says in AATE that the magic crystal sword was made from crystal exposed to the Blood of the Earth. Loric got this crystal. He also knew the danger of the Blood, I think, from Damelon. In the fanfiction I wrote, though, I said that Loric knew the danger from seeing an evil Insequent and a quellvisk (some evil magical monster) use the Power of Command from the Blood to have one of the Elohim accept being possessed by one of the croyel. The outcome was that the croyel, feeding on the Elohim, could not survive the power of it, and then the Elohim drove his enemies into the Blood, which destroyed them. Then the Elohim explained to Loric the grave danger of the Blood, and claimed that he was the Lord to protect that place.

    But I guess it was Damelon, from the canon/lore, except Loric is talked about questing under the mountain, for the Blood, so I don't know...

    And Amok says Kevin made him, yeah? Because Amok is himself one of the Seven Wards. But Amok is a way around the Door, from later than the Door by name, so, hmm...

    I think the evil Insequent had studied the quellvisk species, but they knew of the EarthBlood, so, hmm...

    Well, let's say Loric couldn't access the core zone, under the mountain, of the EarthBlood. Instead, he went a little deeper, where a secondary, but still powerfully concentrated, rivulet of Blood flowed. There should also be a flow of molten hurtloam below that... But then how does the Elohim scene make sense? Maybe it wouldn't. Or there would be some weird threat anyway, not as grave as that of Command...

    Anyway, Loric would find a crystal which would have been energized by ages of exposure to the Blood, which is not a normal liquid, but which has the same positive density at all scales. It is a superabundant substance of prime matter, almost. This is why the Worm consuming the Blood will destroy time, because the Blood is infinitely dense/compacted.

    Hmm... I wanted a scene just now, though, where Loric Commands the crystal to live... So the sword is alive, and it is in the books anyway. To an extent. But I wanted it to come alive like a Wraith of Andelain, to explain why the Wraiths were so enamored with the sword.

    Also, the Ravers are like anti-Seven Words. They have no true names, and they *are* their false names. Magically speaking, I mean. So rending them meant breaking their names into letters, magically/metaphorically.

  9. Hypothetical far-future chronology: let's say, the second version of the original world is shown to exist for 200,000,000ish years, and by then, they've discovered 9 total other universes, one of which is so large (in some sense) that exploring it is what made for the gap between the discovery of the 5th and the discovery of the 6th. Still, the ur-destroyer has not awoken/returned/been released, and no proof has been found by the explorers that the entity still exists. So, the question of the Second Destruction is thus far unanswered.

    ("What about the tangent you imagined at the end, where a band of adventurers stays behind to square off against the emergent ur-destroyer at the last? Who are left there like that as a little last mystery for the readers? Like, that's all the reader is given to 'know,' that at the end, there was this squad, and they tried something, maybe it worked, maybe it didn't, everyone else had escaped that world so..." Yeah, true. Well, I guess that turns on whether the bizarre ethereal sci-fi post-narrative is worth writing more strongly than that scene? Or we adapt the idea some. Suppose either way that, when mortals left the destructible world when the ur-destroyer did at last re-emerge into their world, then the escapees did not find out what happened, not as a matter of common/public knowledge thereafter. Whether the adventurers "saved the day," whether the world was redestroyed but then recreated again, or redestroyed and left that way, etc. none of that is automatically given to be known to the reader via the POV of the final epilogue/coda, arguably. So, instead, from the invincible realm, explorers have gone out, and they know not how many other universes there are "period," but they assume that the more they find, the likelier it is that there are as many as can be.)

  10. I guess it can't be "Nightmare-hallows" because that phrase is already in circulation from someone else. So maybe "Nightmare-falderal," that would be a neat little odd word, maybe...

    Buried War, the. Or maybe "the Tomb War," who knows, but it's a legendary war being fought for centuries/millennia (depending on the storyteller) deep underground by gigantic underground insect/kindred monsters. The scorpion colossi that are "common knowledge" dwell principally and strongly in mountain areas, but they seem potentially capable of living deep in the earth. But what would they be fighting? Not a gelatinous cube swarm, no (I forgot to mention that I decided that gelatinous cubes, spheres, Platonic solids broadly, maybe even things like tesseracts, would be an ecological feature of the scenario). But... oh, gosh, well, haha, let's say, when the old world was recreated, then a large mass of osseous detritus was assembled at random into a metaphorically deeply-buried skeleton monster. Not an animalistic bulk, not quite, but like a network of bristling skeleton-tentacles in a certain vast underground sector. Something that makes very distinguishable noise when it's about... (Like, if there is somehow, somewhere, underground air flow, enough for effective wind, then the passage of this wind through hollow skull structures might produce a wind-instrument effect of some sort?) And so the underground scorpion colossi armies are constantly fighting with massive skeleton-tentacles in the Buried War's objectively valid referent (the stories of this meta-event are laden with odd magical and false details, that is, like a nonexistent intervening faction composed of just one unique separate monster; this is to be shown at some point to be a distorted application of knowledge that there is surely a surface-dwelling hypermonster from the old world, otherwise fully recomposed in the new one, to the expected underground "situation": these people incorrectly judged that the elder demon was interfering in the Buried War, when, even if "surprisingly," it was not).

    (How long has it been going on? Well, how old ought this recreated world be, in terms of its intended sense of historical timing ("providence")? I'm suggesting that it's at this stage only about 7,000 years old, aren't I? Elsewhere, somewhere, in my writing this down... But is the Buried War a holdover from the "olden days"? Because then it could be millions of years going. I guess, if the skeleton-tentacle blob was created by warped recombination then no, though... hmm... Actually, it would be a little bit more worldbuilding-optimizing to talk about at least three major "factions" in the underground war. So, the scorpion colossi... Wait, I think the way I defined them, they're from the recombination warpage too... Argh! So there'd have to be two from before instead, as such. For four total later; but what would they be?)

    (Hmm... Maybe like far below even the gem-fracturing stones along the ways of the scorpion colossi and the skeleton demon, there was an enormous lightless cavern, enough for two whole nations to be roughly stacked atop each other inside of it and still have enough room to fight pointlessly over control of the sky. Which there was a lost abyss, after all. But ensconced in a mountainous alcove there, there is a titan city that does have the capacity for physical self-illumination. This city was created unknowably long ago in the first iterate of the world, and continues to send out deadly stone-theurgy "probes" up into other under-realms, towards the high surface. There is some evidence that the fourth major faction was also an especial foe of the coverted city, either directly or by the legends of even those days. But its physical/corporeal presence was not clearly recorded anywhere. Some of the more weirdly, piously rationalistic applicants of their relevant scriptures would conclude, "therefore," that this was strong evidence that the intact elder demon had genuinely been at work in the deep. "We already have it available in the record, it's more 'parsimonious,'" I could see an argument like that...) (It turns out to be a magical distortion in social realities, which is why it was so dangerous to the deep city: because any city in its path would be at risk, but given the background situation (including the bulk of old-world time involved), the threat of the social magic cloud "infecting" a surface city was historically low. It mostly has had access, such as even when it has truly "existed" as a cohesive enough mass at all (a fact which fluctuates over time), to the deep city, and a few other settlements from other beings of some long-forsaken ages. (Maybe it's like, you're trained to associate the weird wind-whistling from the skull horde, WITH that horde, so some POV character "down there" is at first all like "whew, there's no skulls for that wind to be whistling through" and their knowledgeable companions look at them aghast, like, no, it's worse when there's no skulls, because then something else is mimicking the wind-whistling of the skulls, and the thing that is doing the mimicking is from the olden realms, from some other endlessly dark quarter far, far below the mantle?)

    (In fact, near enough to the core zone(s), there is a form of mass sentient magma, the living serum of the planet I guess. This can be communicated with somehow, and is communicated with, at some time, for some reason. It's probably a positive event, like the protagonists are helped out by "talking to" the magma-serum. There are also skittish diamond-based creatures called ur-mice, though they don't necessarily look like mice as much as potatoes bristling with flimsy roots. And who knows what else. Suppose, for example, some unknown anomalous recombination that deposited its object in the deep underground. This is reasonable to consider as possibly having happened, so that we would have reason to expect that there is as such one other huge magical-faction/factor in this underground domain.)

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      (Or, to parse it some more, someone is brought to the first layer as a slave, and in an effort to get free, is lured into the second layer by a cult-like group in a creepy, and actually moderately large (like 200,000 people maybe, with eerie tenements aplenty...), compact underground city. (Let's say, it's plausible to talk about a weird cult controlling hundreds or thousands of people in a decent-sized compact city. But not, maybe, tens of thousands of people, nor all of them. Just some, enough for them to make it seem like they could help the slave to freedom.) The slave is working on giant mansion grounds in the city, though they don't know who actually "owns" or even "administers the estate of" the mansion. Their enslavement is darkly amorphous in this respect. Then, though, they get sucked into more physically realistic abysses, so that's how their earlier relief is sufficiently controverted later.)

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      Let's say, there was a mixed humanoid/elephantoid(?) civilization of old, and it was some weird powerful elephant-sorcerers who helped try to settle in the far reaches below, but these settlements were eventually destroyed by the confluence of a huge appearance of the skeleton-bulk and the scorpion colossi in the area (numbering in the tens of thousands down there, and they are mostly at least twice to three times the size of a normal elephant). I mean, there's a bunch of para-Lovecraftian stuff we could throw in, I guess...

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      Maybe there's even a mutated/immortal elepehantoid wizard who dwells "nowadays" in the enclave-city of the magic probes. Like, when they get there (the POV people or whoever), they at some point encounter residue of the wizard's powers or the wizard himself. This doesn't have to be a bad thing, mind you. He could be using a sort of metaphysical healing power to keep himself alive in such a hostile, lost environment. He could have made a deal with the other deeper darkness, the lost social distortion energy. Or whatever. There'd be a good enough reason for whatever happened to happen, hopefully.

  11. Nightmare-hallows, the. Place dreamt into subsistence by the ur-destroyer, but not the same as the full parallel cosmos of the police defector and the fugitive. Source of the arcane demon which split itself into Sitra Achra and Amente after the old recreation of the world.

    Above the Sea. Poetic name for the ur-destroyer's full dreamworld? Maybe. Well, somewhere, anyway...

    ("The angel could call them from realm to realm because it came from the dream, not of the ur-destroyer but the ur-creatrix instead. So half its essence was enough like the original world, and half enough like the shadow of the Nightmare-hallows, to conduct them accordingly...")

  12. Some scenes/scenarios in a Thomas Covenant storyline after THE LAST DARK:

    The main our-world POV is the sheriff from the other books. He's now in the Land, twenty years later. He's been drawn there by an Insequent known as the Covenant (the sheriff thinks "oh, perfect: another person who's obsessed with that damn leper," and the Insequent shows up in our world like the man in the ochre robe from earlier books). Now in the Land, maybe 7000 to 8000 years have passed.

    Some things that happened in the meantime: moksha Jehannum has split into two Raver-like demons named Sitra Achra and Amente. These have quasi-possessed Jeremiah's two briefly-mentioned sisters, one of whom has been abroad long upon the Land's Earth, gathering an intercessory army to challenge Thomas Covenant for failing to destroy a-Jeroth at the center of time. This is the strange ploy of the Raver-fragments to serve their old master.

    When the leader of the army, from the people of the Sandgorgon desert, enters the city of the Land withal, Revelstone, he finds out, however, that Jeremiah disappeared first, long ago, followed by Linden Avery, then Covenant entered a sort of peaceful caesure and has been physically inaccessible ever since.

    Jeremiah, in the meantime, is not in a caesure, but Linden is too. But Jeremiah is with the Elohim, including two who have been goaded or twisted by the dark Insequent into believing that a second awakening of the Worm is inevitable, and this time it will be the Elohim who voluntarily awaken it, to emulate Linden (whom they now highly esteem). What is currently at stake is not that, but the message is that the seeds of the first awakening were planted deep in ancient time, so too now will the second tree of Desecration be born...

    The sheriff, partly in guilt, recognizes Jeremiah from photos he'd seen after he and his men gunned Roger, Linden, and Jeremiah down.

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      During the recreation of the Earth, the spirits of some Haruchai who died being fed to the Sunbane were merged with some Ranyhyn spirits, forming entities now known as ur-unicorns. This is because their key desire in exploring the Land then was in hope of finding that the Ranyhyn still lived, and their last days and hours under the dire auspices of the Clave filled them with dread as to the fate of the star-blessed horses. So their love is fulfilled by recombining the fragments of the prior universe in this manner.

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      Did any croyel endure the center of time? Hmm... "One had planned not for a new being upon the reborn Earth, but for a remnant or residue of its purpose. The recreators of the Land and its Time had not seen fit to put the croyel back together. It had foreseen this, and left just a dim trace of its malice for the future. In the end, it had fallen to the oratory of the prophetess of the Raver-born, joining the great army. But it still had enough blighted power to contribute to the deep Desecration in this case."

  13. This could actually work really well, but more indirectly. Because of who he has murdered before, Rayse has various dark Connections to various worlds. Maybe he killed an aether along the way. So, as he responds to the Heralds vs. the Fused, he "activates" pockets of his assigned Investiture on those worlds which were originally subsumed there by the Shards/powers that he ruined. We'd be assuming, then, that there were pockets of Odium on all those worlds. But it's said that most Shards do this. Is it to avoid having to concern themselves with every random world that happens to feature a pocket of their assigned Investiture? They "shed the excess"? Or so they start to do such a thing but turn to hatred from neglect when Odium did such a thing, and cut the pockets of Investiture off from himself just enough for them to metaphorically hang off his body like unhealing gore? And in the cases of higher intelligence, they Cognitively/Spiritually hung on to him by a thread. Also, like the Heralds, they were drawn from their worlds of origin, to Braize. So that was how they got from Sel and Threnody, say, to Roshar, by dying on their original worlds (being unmade) to come back in the ambit of their Lord's battlefield now?
  14. Two fantasy settings that I'm familiar with, which make a lot out of this talk of "True Words" and "True Names": D&D/Planescape, and the Thomas Covenant novels. In D&D, the emphasis is True Words generally, like the Last Word (possibly the "true word for" destruction, due to its apocalyptic ravaging uses), or "whatever the Lady of Pain would speak in if She ever spoke at all." In the Covenant books, the importance of "true names" is mainly a feature of the last three books but the idea is that knowing someone's true name gives you some kind of power over them at times, or if you learn your own true name, it gives you power for/of yourself. In Planescape, the weight of distributed belief can condense into objects of mere belief, now reified, which seems much like many and varied phenomena described in the cosmere. There are also sixteen encircling upper/outer planes of existence with an anomalous 17th in the "center." (The Lady of Pain happens to dwell in the anomalous city at the uppermost center of the 17th plane itself.) So, I assume that it is possible, in the cosmere, that if you and enough other people "merely believed" that you had a "True Name," somehow you would then end up having one via Cognitive shenanigans? Or are the Dawnshards as "Commands" an example, not of True Names, but of True Words? I'm reminded of the Power of Command yielded by the Blood of the Earth in the Covenant books. This was used to awful effect in one book, a threat to awfully use it was made in another, and in yet another, it, as the mere Blood, was the fuel source for the final apocalypse. The equivalent of True Words in that world was a phrase starting with the word "Melenkurion," and this word was also applied to the name of the mountain of the Earth's Blood. So, the Power of Command uses the raw symbolic energy of the concept of true words/names, to accomplish its task. How it works is you choose some non-divine entity to Command, you drink the Blood, and then you issue the Command you have in mind. (The "non-divine" qualifier is fudging some, because there is an effectively divine monster at the center of the final plot to destroy the world, which is susceptible to the Blood and the Command.) This is very much like what we are shown can be gained by knowing someone's true name, there: you can command them a priori, or you gain divine power that you lost (if you learn your own true name). But the Blood is so purely concentrated out of the essence of the Earth and its life that it embodies the sheer general possibility of "truly naming" things, and dominating their will thereby. Likewise, the Dawnshards are apex-tier objects if anything of such an instrumental character is in the cosmere, and they are Commands, used by Adonalsium no less, as well as the future first Vessels of the Shards, and apparently people in the Rosharan star system. But so they are Commands in the sense of falling under a certain category of Intent dynamics. There is also Commandment in Awakening, for example. Has Sanderson variated over the "classical" fantasy concepts of true words/names in the sense of "replacing" those concepts, in this environment, with the more refined/precise conception of Commands under Intent, modulo the cosmere as a world susceptible to belief-based concrete fluctuations in reality? Or is there still a more "exact" counterpart to "knowing the true word for something" in the cosmere? P.S. Not sure how to interpolate the Latter-day Saint background element, here. I think they credit the word "Elohim" with being the proper name for God the Father, whereas they reserve "Jehovah"/YHWH for the Son of God, who is both a god but not the Most High God, there. (On the other hand, it is still the godly Son who Atones for the sin of the world and is the living keystone of salvation as such, so they might not really be claiming that the Son is at all less exalted than the Father is.) But I know not whether they think that the word "Elohim" is a "default" name for the Father, even as a personal name, or if they conceive Him as having chosen it (at least relative to us) from among unknowably many possibilities. I think there's a major strand of Christian metaphysics throughout the ages, going back to "new names" mentioned in the Book of Revelation, which is a huge part of where the modern classical fantasy theme of "true names" might have even come from, after all, though.
  15. Maybe that's what I missed... I had this sense like, "Honor and Odium are both Big Bads, here" (as of W&T) but I think in-text or in a WoB, Tanavast's decency is attested to. So, I'd have to be thinking, "Sanderson is showing that a good person can be a Big Bad, somehow, nevertheless." But "Honor is childish" explains it without all that, maybe? In fantasy without Big Bads, you often/usually end up with having to face off against a natural/industrial disaster situation of some sort. Like, setting aside the issue of Metatron, in His Dark Materials the key endgame is an environmental problem that isn't the responsibility of any specific Big Bad as such, a problem triggered by multiversal technology. The Vessels are like that, they're facing off against their own Shards in different ways, and before against Adonalsium to boot. So, the "Big Bad" kind of effects Honor and Tanavast have had on Roshar were more like "natural (magical) disasters," in this case the catastrophe of the god of oaths being inhabited by such a childish conception of the universe.
  16. Doesn't one of the Unmade say, "He made us, and then unmade us"? That probably wouldn't fit any aethers being turned into Unmade unless Rayse made the aethers (the specific ones, not the "species") somehow... Also, if the Unmade were a response to the Heralds, we'd be supposing that Rayse carried around chunks of other, defeated Shards for this possible use down the road? Also, Sanderson has said: "The Unmade are voluntary Splinters, because Odium ("like almost all of the other Shards") voluntarily Splintered part of it's power." Even if Rayse used chunks of other Shards, or aethers, or whatever, as one of his bases for any Unmade, he still added a chunk of himself to the mix each/every time. The likeliest scenario in terms of thematic diversity is somewhere in a range between "Splinters of Odium alone were involved" to "at least some were only Odium-based, but some were based on other things also" to "every Unmade is some mix of Odium's Splintering and the essence of a relevant other power" (e.g. other Shards, aethers, w/e).
  17. There's this prominent (well, most prominent in his field I suppose) director Hayao Miyazaki who inarguably influenced Sanderson, and who said something once like, "We depict horrors, to then depict the joy of liberation/salvation." One of his movies has a baby animal being tortured near the end, for minutes and minutes on end, while a horrible demon from the ancient world awaken and unleashes nuclear fire before its arc is completed. The manga behind that movie is even darker, especially in the end. At any rate, though, Miyazaki's stories can go from bad to worse but still end up with relief or even redemption. Another Sanderson influence is the Thomas Covenant multi-series. Book one, we're shown a beautiful society in a beautiful world, albeit the "hero" does despicable things already. Things get worse throughout book 2, then the meager victory in book 2 is wiped out by the premise of book 3, then the major victory in book 3 is wiped out by possibly the grimmest, darkest story in fantasy history as of book 4 (through 6) (we'll see if Retribution's Roshar follows suit, though), and then all the way in book 10... they win. Not perfectly, but they do. There are millennia of genocides and tyrannies and betrayals, the works, but they win. So, to say that Sanderson is "going grimdark" (I think he's said he will in a Threnody novel, though) would be to predict that all the mounting nightmares of the cosmere will result in everyone dying, or being irredeemably corrupted, or consumed by hell, or whatever, like (so far) what has happened in the Second Apocalypse books (which are truly, deeply "grimdark tales...). Now I myself love Sanderson's books way, way more than Bakker's, but I don't hate Bakker's. If new Second Apocalypse books are released, I would be willing to read them. So I wouldn't say I am drawn to happy-ending fantasy to the same extent that I am repelled by horrible-ending fantasy. All the happy-ending books that have been written and will be written, will continue to be read, there's not some deeper significance to other future books being horrible-ending ones is there? The book market isn't a social zero-sum game like that???
  18. That's an interesting point. If there are only 30 or 50 inhabited planets, you could have merely a few dozen units distributed for interception, but for thousands of worlds you'd need thousands. OTOH, maybe it's an indication that the Brigade doesn't have more than a few such sufficient units?
  19. Sanderson seems familiar with some questions of historical population loss (the Roshar-medieval execution of 10% of Azir seems probably based on any of many IRL scenarios past). Now true, it's hard for most anyone to have a crisp intuition for huge demographics, the best we can do is usually get a panoramic look at a city. But for ambient "statistical" reasons, then... Oh, hmm, maybe I misread the implied "or" in Nomad's thought. He doesn't have to say that billions might die every day *per se*, but he can be thinking, "Millions of people die daily anyway, or sometimes a whole planet is destroyed and billions die on those specific days."
  20. What if it's like there are billions of Fused-like soldiers in Retribution's army, and they die in these crazy mass waves constantly? And sometimes most of them die, and then come back. Like Retribution emulates the horror that was inflicted on the bridgemen, by inflicting it in another way on billions of his soldiers.
  21. ??? I thought it was WoBed that the cosmere has only a hundred star systems to its name or something. EDIT: the Coppermind is kinda ambiguous... There's this linked: But the entry for the Physical Realm says, "The cosmere is a small star cluster within a dwarf galaxy,[2][3] or potentially a galaxy in of itself,[4] or the universe.[5][6][7][8]"
  22. At one point (Dawnshard IIRC), one of the Sleepless talks about something like how billions could die if the Dawnshard is abused. Then: How is this possible? If there were 100 inhabited planets with, IDK, an average of 2 billion people, there would be 200 billion people in the cosmere total. If 2 billion people died every day, it would take 100 days to depopulate those planets, then, yeah? So maybe the average population of a planet is a lot more than 2 billion??? Well, even if it were 8 billion, that's just 800 billion for 100 planets, so 2 billion dead per day would mean 400 days before everyone is dead. (Sidebar: there's a sci-fi book, Anvil of Stars, with one star system with a population in the trillions. Or IIRC Coruscant in SW is supposed to have like a trillion people. So maybe there are trillions of people in the cosmere overall??? Are there Coruscant-like demographic concentrations somewhere?) Where are all these possibly dying people coming from??? Are some of them spren or similar? I could see a planet having unfathomable numbers of spren, so if there were spren "now" on many planets, there'd be a reliable population base to keep chipping away at. But spren, as far as we know, die when they're bonded and an oath to them is broken. Alternatively, if they get absorbed by a Shard, maybe they die. So are there Shards going around absorbing billions of spren a day? Or billions of people are binding and breaking some spren? I wonder if it's not that possible super-dangers like Retribution and Discord have placed the whole cosmere on the verge of destruction, but that there are systems in place that routinely destroy huge numbers of people without the threat of more cosmic destruction. Like the difference between nuking the Earth in a flash vs. maintaining the factory-farm system over the decades?
  23. One of the seven is a pulsar, which almost destroyed the plot world long ago. The plot world, let's call it the Traveler, gets variously caught in the orbit of different stars as time passes, in an endless series of loops/cycles. So there are at least two general tiers of magical ability: Can access a given kind of star magic when and only when in orbit of the relevant magic star (well, they're all magic). Known widely as Weaklings. Can access any star's magic regardless of the current orbit. Known widely as the Anymen. Some "special" stars: The Ring of Glory: a torus-shaped boson star. Its magic can be channeled only through rings made in part of gluonium, which rings themselves can be made only by using other star magics. Visible consistently, because of the Glimmer, a magical phenomenon that encases the Ring in shimmering power. The cause/origin of this phenomenon is unknown and is used by the Dancing Light cult as one of their "proofs" of an intelligent designer. There is one hypergiant star, known "affectionately" on the Traveler as the Doomgem because of the unusual danger of world-wrecking solar flares when in the orbit of this star. Two such flares have struck the Traveler before, though both were dampened by the planetwide use of defensive magic to avert greater calamity. The pulsar, the Dark Torch and the Light of Agony, which hit the Traveler with a gamma ray burst in the ancient past. The first use of planetwide magic defenses was the cause of the non-extinction of life on the Traveler during this terrible episode. There is also the River of Grace, which is a progression of stars distant, but not too distant, from the seven-star system. There are hundreds of them spread out in a river- or some say dragon-like form, so there is in some cultures a reference to the Dragonfall instead. It is eventually discovered that almost all of the River is composed of quark stars, including strange stars. People who discover how to use the magic of the River are known variously as the Graceful or the Fell of the Dragon (in cultures where wielding River-magic is viewed negatively). There are many factions, and indeed the Traveler is not the only place where life exists in this star system. There is a moon of the lone, relatively small gas giant which is inhabited. Now two of the factions, at least, are more or less the seemingly primary "evils" in this context, because one "serves" the impending black hole, and the other "serves" the dire boson star. That is, they know how to use magic from those objects despite the vast distance between the seven-star system and the future threats (at least a few years, let's say). One of these factions is the Epoch Citadel, who are headquartered in the architectural expression of their cause. The other is the Cathedral of Roses, who are much more insidious than their name suggests.
  24. There are things in nearer history that happened, that were important, and that we have indications of. For example, something happened roughly 1,000 years ago that affected Nale and Ishar, maybe it was Ishar's partaking of Odium's well, but it was still in nearer history, anyway. The scouring of Aimia and the Hierocracy are also more recent events, so maybe things that happened 1,000 years ago led to things that happened 500 years ago, etc. There might be patterns to discover.
  25. I have seen Sanderson lay deep Easter eggs about mathematics and metaphysics throughout his Cosmere saga, so IDK... Like also 2^4 = 4^2 = 2^2^2 = 16, I think that's probably relevant somehow. It's the unique equation of its kind for the natural numbers, IIRC. We might then have to look for sequences that have 4 (and other "magic"/Shardic numbers) as their outcome or basis, or at least as a stage, and "importantize"(?) build-up and component numbers accordingly, e.g as with 2*5 = 10, or 10 - 1 = 9.
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