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Yeah, everything with the Shattering and Hoid is super vague. It was just an idea that I thought was cool. It kind of can't really be proven or disproven with the information we have.

Okay, I know that this sounds kind of crazy, but what if the original reason the 16 and whoever they worked with Shattered Adonalsium because they had decided that the full and complete power of creation was too dangerous in one place, so they did it only in order to protect the power from being abused by others, and used for evil and destruction? We know that there were and are forces consciously opposing Adonalsium from this WoB- who even at one point created a weapon. At one point, there was even a plot to destroy Adonalsium. Obviously, the story of the shattering isn't as simple as "A bunch of greedy, and power hungry people broke apart the power of creation so they could assume the power and become deity." That makes the original vessels out to have all been horrible people, but we actually know for a fact that at least one of the original 16 was an extremely good and generous person. Obviously he doesn't really fit the mold of the evil kind of person who would destroy the power of creation for selfish reasons. I think it's more likely that it was decided between the Dragons, Humans, and Sho Del, that the concentrated power of Adonalsium was too dangerous, and vulnerable where it was. It could even be that THEY were the ones Brandon was speaking of when he referenced the plot to destroy Adonalsium. Brandon himself said that when he says that there was a group or force opposing Adonalsium, that doesn't necessarily mean there is another cosmic entity or anything, but those who Shattered Adonalsium would be described as "Opposing Adonalsium." So it's possible that this plot is just the first attempt to get rid of the threat that the power of creation posed to their planet, and them shattering it and becoming vessels is the backup plan. When Khriss and Kelsier meet in the Cognitive Realm in Mistborn: Secret History, tells Kelsier a bit about the cosmere without going into too much detail, but she hints that for "some reason" at lease SOME of the original 16 who shattered Adonalsium did so believing that it was the final option open to them, and she even suggests that it was a last-ditch attempt at self preservation. This suggests that it was indeed those sixteen and others who tried to destroy Adonalsium earlier, but had to go with the Shattering due to the failure of their plan. We know that there were rules set out in the very beginning by the vessels regarding their conduct and how they had to stay away from each other. This may have been done in order to protect the power, and the people of Yolen from the full and dangerous power of creation by ensuring that it would never become so concentrated ever again. This need to keep the power from becoming concentrated in one place makes the isolation rule make a lot more sense. As far as we know, the rule was generally upheld by the vessels in the beginning except for Honor and Cultivation, who obviously, being romantically involved, would have a bit of a hard time keeping the rule, and they arrived on Roshar together. As time went on though, we know that more and more shards eventually grouped up and were on the same planet. With Preservation and Ruin it's pretty easy to explain, because their Intent's could not be perfectly served alone. Without Ruin, Preservation could not perfectly create, and Ruin could not perfectly destroy. Their Shardic intent DROVE them towards each other. I don't think we really have a way to explain away Dominion and Devotion's proximity to each other. I haven't been able to find any WoB's on it, but i'm sure if we had more firsthand experience with them in books, we'd get a better idea of what about them or their intents drove them together. As I read about it more, the more I believe that the people who shattered Adonalsium and took up his shards did not know about or plan for the Shardic Intent warping and changing them. The relationship between Preservation and Ruin is a perfect example of this. We have been told by Brandon that each of the vessels CHOSE their shard. We know this from several WoB's, and it is also stated in the letter Frost sends in response to Hoid's request for help. This letter also implies that the vessels had help in shattering Adonalsium when Frost says "He is what we made him to be". If they were able to choose their shard, and they didn't know about the warping caused by the Shardic Intent like I believe, I can totally see that an extremely kind and generous person would choose Ruin, because they might think that because of who they were, the Shard would probably be safer and used in a better way than it would if it were in another's hands. All of this begs the question though, what the floopers is Hoid trying to accomplish exactly? What's his goal? We know that Hoid is on the outs with most if not all of the shards with what we hear in Secret History when Leras says that he was surprised that Cephandrius (Hoid) still meddles so much even though he swore to have nothing to do with us. (Paraphrased) Us being the shards. So we know that Hoid is not on friendly terms with any of them. We also know that Hoid was there at the Shattering And we also know that at least in part, he viewed the shattering a being "Kind of" necessary. This does support the theory that the reason they shattered Adonalsium was because there was some threat or danger posed by him and his power being concentrated in one place, so removing parts or all of it could be necessary. We also know that Hoid had the opportunity to take up a shard, but refused. So at this point after the shattering, Hoid must have already changed his mind about the shattering being in any part necessary. And must have wanted no more part of it, and I'm thinking that it is around this time that he swears to have nothing more to do with them. I'm guessing part of it might be related to some kind of horrible or evil act committed by Rayse soon after the Shattering that proved that the danger posed was actually lesser than the dangers of having the power of creation held by unworthy people. I don't know what Rayse might have done, but obviously, because we know his character, he would not have taken long to prove that he was evil and hateful enough to deserve being called Odium. We have already seen him use the rule of isolation as an excuse to kill the other shards, and it seems like he does this so that he doesn't make any of the other Shards worry about him coming after them because THEY obey the rule. It's obviously just an excuse though, and they should definitely be worried. Ambition was obeying the rules too y'all! It is definitely possible though that Rayse and Bavadin immediately did some very not okay stuff with their new found powers. But that's 100% speculation because Brandon immediately RAFO's anything that comes close to the details of the Hoid - Rayse - Bavadin hate triangle. So now, I'm not really sure if Hoid's goals are simply to end and destroy Rayse, which could be, because we know he has beef with him, to try to get rid of all the malevolent shards, or if Hoid is simply trying to bring Adonalsium back, but he is obviously trying to make up for and fix what they did in shattering Adonalsium and bringing so many horrible and evil deities into the cosmere. I don't really know as much about Hoid's possible plans and end goal as others on the shard, so if you know or have ideas, enlighten me. Thanks for reading! I kind of feel like I was all over the place with my thoughts and ideas, so i'm sorry if it seems jumbled. Let me know what you think.

This whole theory with the avatars of Autonomy makes a TON of sense. But i'm kind of confused at how Trell can pose any kind of threat to Harmony and Scadrial if he is only the avatar of Autonomy when Harmony is two shards. Creating an Avatar must take a TON of power and it's definitely the kind of thing that would weaken a Shard to the point where they could be easily defeated by one of the other shards. Even Preservation putting a bit of himself in the Scadrian humans weakened himself to the point where Ruin could kill him. So if that relatively small use of Investiture and essence can allow Preservation to be vulnerable to Ruin, how could an AVATAR of a shard in any way pose a threat to the combined power of TWO shards? It's been confusing me for awhile. Because Trell's operatives and his "Psuedo-Kandra" have been going around under Harmony's nose for who knows how long. And when Wax is talking to Sazed during his out of body experience, he see's the huge red haze surrounding the planet. Brandon has said that there are forces trying to keep knowledge and information from Sazed, making him less of a threat, so if this red haze is Trell, than he's got to be pretty powerful to be able to keep Sazed at bay. So the whole thing is just kind of confusing to me.

On the line of how being more in line with the Shard's intent may put less pressure on the vessel making them unchanged, I think that's definitely a thing. We know from the letters between Frost and Hoid that Ati was a good and generous man before taking up Ruin, and it was clear to see what happened to him. (Paraphrased) So we know that the opposite is true, that if your will and intent are different from the shardic intent, it slowly changes and molds you to reflect it's intent. And then Hoid says- "Rayse, on the other hand, was among the most loathsome, crafty, and dangerous individuals I had ever met. He holds the most frightening and terrible of all the Shards." -First letter, Words of Radiance - Hoid In part of Frost's response, he says- "I suspect that he is more a force than an individual now, despite your insistence to the contrary. That force is contained, and an equilibrium reached." - Second Letter, Words of Radiance - Frost Obviously, as Brandon has said, "Hoid has beef with Rayse". Rayse was obviously a horrible person before he even took up one of the most evil and dangerous shards, and he tries to convince Frost that Odium is too large of a threat to be ignored. From what Frost says, he obviously doesn't believe Hoid, and it can be inferred that Hoid believes and has tried to convince Frost that the destruction that Odium is causing, and his evil are not simply due to him being corrupted by his shard, but he may actually remain unchanged due to him already being aligned with the shardic intent before he became the vessel of Odium. Hoid thinks that Rayse does indeed still exist as an individual, and that Rayse is actually pushing his power to do even MORE evil and to more hateful things. We know that Frost, due to his policy and oath of nonintervention, does not leave his planet, so it would make sense that he is simply behind the times, and doesn't understand the Cosmere as well as Hoid, who has been having firsthand experience all over the Cosmere since the shattering. There have only been two people who have been confirmed to be even close to his cosmere knowledge. Only Khriss has been confirmed as being more informed. QUESTION Is Hoid the most knowledgeable about what's going on in the cosmere? BRANDON SANDERSON No, Khriss is the most aware by a long shot. Nazh knows a lot as well. Hoid might know more than Nazh but he is pretty in the know as well so it's close. So knowing that Hoid is so informed, I'm thinking that the odds of Frost being right about Rayse losing his identity as he has been molded to better emulate the intent of the Shard are pretty slim to none. So I think that the theory that original intent being aligned with the Shardic intent is pretty solid. It even seems incredibly similar to when Shai in The Emperor's Soul gets Gaotona so she can practice the stamps on him to see if they would work on the Emperor, because they were so close and he knows him so well. I realize that this isn't exactly the same, but it seems like the same principle to me. It's interesting.

Technically, the Chimeras aren't of ruin, they're using the "Unknown metal" or Trellium to spike the humans they use or however they make people into Chimeras, so technically this new form isn't of Ruin, but of Trell. Whoever he actually is. Chimeras are a Hemalurgical Construct, but they aren't necessarily of Ruin unless they were simply previously undiscovered. I doubt it though since their creation seems to rely upon the strange powers that the new god metal has. So if we ARE sticking with the numbers system for shards, three could still work for Ruin. There are even three major planets and gas giants in the Scadrian system, so that would support the theory. That's debunked though if the two dwarf planets count. We don't count Pluto though, so I'm sticking with it. I don't know if Ruin would really have a number, because like RShara showed us, not all shards associate themselves with a number. But with the information we have, three seems most likely. It's possible that Ruin had more Hemalurgic Constructs that he didn't show Rashek how to create, but i'm guessing not. It makes sense that he'd point Rashek to creating the Koloss, Inquisitors, and Kandra because it created tools he could control easily. I don't really see any reason why Ruin would withhold any extra knowledge from Rashek that would only allow for the creation of more slaves for Ruin. So I do think that there are only three Hemalurgic Constructs that are of Ruin, and the Fourth is simply of Trell.

Yeah, this sounds pretty exciting. Twould be a major plot twist. You could say my mind is blown. You have changed the cosmere good sir. Or ma’am. I actually don’t know.

I think this is all some pretty awesome stuff, and some really cool ideas. I think we all need to remember though that they only have a certain budget for these films, so if we're being realistic we can really only have well known actors play the main characters that get the most screen time. I don't think they could really afford to get this many stars, as awesome as that would be. All these crazy stars like RDJ probably couldn't be afforded. He was paid 40 million dollars for infinity war ALONE. So yeah, I'm guessing that the actors playing Kelsier, Vin, Elend, and Sazed will probably be the most well known, if at all. This is kind of going to be a prototype movie for the cosmere, and if it gets all crazy with hyped up actors it won't work. Also, as much as I'd love David Tennant as Hoid, I don't think that we can really afford to pay him for just a little bit of screentime. That's kind of the same situation as Lucasfilms having to pay millions for Mark Hamill to be in the Force Awakens, and not even say a single word. It would just be really hard to work. But I'd love it either way. I realize that most of this is just fantasizing about your dream cast and everything, so being realistic doesn't really matter. But yeah. I'm way excited to see where it goes, whether it ends up being a movie or a tv show or miniseries.

That's fair I guess. Like I said, it's technically possible, but based on who Telrii is as a character, I don't think it's really likely. But yeah, you have a point.

This is something I’ve been thinking about to for a way long time. We know from OB that stormfather said there wasn’t no way for them spren to be revived and to bring them back to life. But clearly as is shown by dalinar creating Honor’s perpendicularity and accessing investiture from the spiritual realm, they’re breaking new ground in what’s possible and what’s not. So I think if it’s possible for a bondsmith to do what Dalinar did, which surprised Stormfather, it’s within the realm of possibility for the swords to be revived. I thought it was really interesting that after their experience together in Shadesmar, he’s able to communicate with Maya on even a small level and she can tell him her name. My explanation is just that after their time in Shadesmar, there was a higher level of connection. And that’s allowing for more of some kind of extremely low level basic Nahel bond. Kind of like when Kaladin could talk to Syl before he had sworn the first ideal. I don’t know what kind of spren Maya would be, but it would make sense, since spren, and especially honorspren are creations or at least results of the presence of Honor and Cultivation. I think somehow, that Honor’s remnants being present in the bond between Dalinar and Stormfather will allow for the resurrection of the sprenblades.

Yeah, I don't think he meant it to have any significance, since we had his characteristics earlier when we met him in TWoK. Easy to miss though, so I feel. I can see where you're coming from though. I mean, we know Renarin has kind of struggled at finding his own place in the books so far. He's had his infirmity, which keeps him from being able to participate in the fighting and war activities that his family and his nation consider one of the most important things. He's good with numbers and smart, so everyone said he could and should become a stormwarden. He's always been kind of a weak and scared kind of character that fears confrontation and isn't very good in high pressure and stress situations. (Just now noticing it, but he is really similar to his spren, Glys in this way. Glys at one point in the book hides because he is scared. I think it was when they went after the Midnight Mother.) But in Oathbringer he gets a lot of development and he has to accept the responsibility of being a radiant and is able to move past his inhibitions and infirmities to ensure that they succeed. So, I understand how you could argue that if he hadn't been described up until this point that it would have some significance. Something I wouldn't have noticed if that was the case.

I'm kind of skeptical as to whether or not Telrii worldhopped before he died. I don't really know how he would have access to either Devotion or Dominion's perpendicularities on Sel. One of them being on the mountain with the pool, and the other probably being somewhere in Fjordell based on the fact that they can access the Dor to create the crazy monks with pewter level durability and strength and the ability to use Aons. I think it's definitely in the realm of possibility though. Brandon has a history of using physical characteristics, mannerisms, and ways of speech to tip us off to worldhoppers in the past, for example, when we see Demoux, Galladon, and Baon at the Purelake searching for Wit in TWoK. When asked in Q&A's, Brandon has stated that it's important to watch for similarities or matching names across the cosmere, because they usually aren't coincidences. That's why there's such debate with (White Sands Vol 2 Spoiler) Brandon deliberately sometimes gives us more information on certain characters to let us know that there's something different about the character. So I can agree with the idea of Telrii being a worldhopper and traveling to Roshar. But I don't think that it really works. Telrii as a character doesn't really seem smart or interested in anything beyond food and spending his riches. (That he actually inherited from his older brother rather than through any work from himself.) He's an incredibly lazy character. Basically at the same laziness level as Sebarial. Probably worse. I just don't think he would have the ingenuity required to find the shardpool on the mountain (He is incredibly overweight), discover it's use, somehow discover how to travel to Roshar through the cognitive realm, and then find his way BACK down the Horneater mountains to then go to Kholinar to talk to Dalinar and try to get gain. Likewise, I don't think he ever went to Fjordell and tried to seek out the possible shardpool there. It doesn't really fit with his character. Remember, at this point in their history where Telrii is, the people of Sel aren't very Cosmere aware. The Pre-Shaod Elantrians have been WoB'd as Cosmere aware, but they had all been killed or hoed, so he couldn't have discovered it from them. So, all in all, technically based on how everything has worked so far, the idea could work, but I seriously doubt it based on who Telrii is as a character.

Haha @Ashspren you're too kind. Please, take this upvote.

I found the WoB that I originally got the info from. The URL is https://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=977 DOUGLAS What about a Lerasium savant? Or would that require so much Lerasium that the person attempting it would ascend to become a new Shardholder? BRANDON SANDERSON Basically, this is what ascension is. So yeah it's a thing. Basically what he's saying is that the amount of Lerasium or Atium that would have to be consumed in order to become a savant in either of those allomancy disciplines would force you to consume enough of the god's essence to ascend.

This is really interesting. I think it would make Kaladin's inner darkeyed/lighteyed debate even crazier, and it could maybe even lead to him not being so predjudiced. Brandon using this as a catalyst for changing Kaladin would be kind of cool. I'm kind of skeptical though. Kaladin noticing the tune is kind of weird, but there are too many assumptions that need to be made to get from Kaladin recognizing a tune to Hesina and Asuedan being secret sisters. We shouldn't just make assumptions based on assumptions without any evidence. There isn't even technically anything connecting Hesina and the tune in the first place. I agree that it's probably more likely that its a listener/singer tune, and it's supposed to be foreshadowing the fact that she gone crazy and has gone and eaten one of the unmade. But that's just as unsupportable as the other theory. I think this is a cool theory, but I kind of need more evidence before i'll go along with it.

Maybe it's more along the lines of, "I will focus on protecting those who can be saved, and accept and live with the sacrifices of those who fall." Or a variation like this "I will not let the deaths of those who cannot be saved keep me from saving those who can." Or maybe it would exclude restating anything about protecting those who can't protect themselves and would instead be like this. "I will live with and accept the sacrifices and deaths of those I fail to save." I would have to agree that it feels like it would be partly about accepting the deaths of all the people that he has failed. When he's trying to swear the ideal, and he thinks of all the people he's failed, they're all people who he has failed to protect, and he can't let it go. Part of me feels like when he says, "'I can't lose him, but...oh, Alimighty...I can't save him.'" that he isn't talking about Dalinar like I originally thought, but I think he might be talking about Tien. Most of Kaladin's inner torment and depression stems from the fact that Kaladin couldn't save Tien. So I'm thinking that part of this ideal that he's having problems with is letting go of those who have died because of his failures. His only connection to Tien is his drive to make sure that there aren't any more who die like he did. It's demonstrated clearly in WoK when he spends so much time and money sheltering the young inexperienced conscripted teens in his squad. But if he accepts that he can't save everyone, and that he should focus on saving those who can be saved, he'd lose that connection. I'm not saying that he'd get all hardened and callused like Liren wants him to be, but he would have to learn to deal with the pain of losing those he can't save. Kaladin has spent the entire series thus far dwelling more on those he has failed to save than rejoicing in those he could. He never feels like it's enough. He needs to learn to not let past failures keep him from future success.

I'm feeling more of theory 1. We know from Mistborn secret history that you have to be connected to the shard and its intent to ascend, and the more connected you are, the easier it is. Dalinar is definitely incredibly connected to Honor. He's honorable to a fault, and incredibly trusting of people's words and promises, kind of remeniscent of how Honor eventually started being obsessed with and respecting oaths of all kinds, no matter what they were for. The only problem with the theory that we can't find an explanation for yet is how Dalinar would be able to gather together the splinters of Honor's power to partially ascend. Odium killed Honor, and then he splintered his power, which should have made it impossible to gather together again. Odium had already successfully done this to Devotion and Dominion on Sel, and there hasn't been any gathering together of their power, their power just sits and powers the Dor now. There have been some WoB about the battle between Odium and Honor, and Brandon said that Honor was smart and wiley, and he prepared himself for the fight with Odium since he had already seen what he had done to the shards on Sel. Honor was able to somehow trap Odium on Braize, which is why he's still there, and it could be possible that Honor somehow found a way to make it so that his power could be taken up again if/when he fell. He was at least able to create the visions so that he could help people in the fight against Odium. We know that the visions were sent to people that were potential bondsmiths, (There was a WoB where Brandon said that Gavilar had visions and that he was on the first steps to becoming a bondsmith. The dark sphere might have something to do with it.) It might even be that he was using the visions to fashion and mold someone into the person he would have to be to take up his power again. It could be that theory number two and number one could both be partially accurate. In his efforts to make it so his power could be taken up again, he might have tried to alter the power itself so it could survive, and he might have accidentally or purposefully changed the intent to Unity. Or maybe when the splintered parts of Honor came apart, they formed individual intents or something. That's all speculation, but just some ideas.

Brandon has answered some questions that are similar to this. Before Honor and Odium even fought each other, Odium had already defeated and splintered both Devotion and Dominion on Sel. When Brandon was asked about this, he said that Honor was smart and wily, and he obviously prepared himself for the fight, he stopped creating honorspren and instead handed the task over to the stormfather, and when eventually they fought, Odium dealt a fatal blow, but Honor was somehow during the fight able to bind Odium to Braize. Obviously, the details of the fight aren't known to us. We've learned through the books that the shards are all equal parts of adonalsiums power, with none of them having more power than the others. The only way for one to overpower the other is by one of the god's losing some power by investing themselves somehow and losing a portion of their power, for example, when Preservation created mankind on Scadrial, he gave each of them a bit of his essense, leaving himself weakened and at the mercy of Ruin. So, it's logical to assume that in Honor's efforts on Roshar left him weakened to the point where it left him vulnerable to Odium and allowed him to overpower Honor. We've seen gods being stuck on planets in Mistborn where Ruin and Preservation were both unable to leave Scadrial because their powers were too invested in the planet, leading to ruin trying to destroy it in order to escape. We know that it takes a very long time for gods to die, like what RShara said with Preservation. Honor was able to create the visions that were eventually sent to Dalinar, and he tried to help them as much as he could before he died and was splintered. Rough life. It is possible though that Odium has found some new way to overpower other Shards, because he was the one to first splinter a god's power so no one could ascend and take the power back up, which hadn't ever been previously done.

I've been confused for a while trying to find out if the ancient Truthwatchers even had the ability to see the future. As far as we know, the Truthwatchers only had access to the surges of Progression and Illumination. The lack of any information about them makes it difficult. It's even said in the books that the Order of the Truthwatchers was difficult to understand, and very secretive. "Now, as the Truthwatchers were esoteric in nature, their order being formed entirely of those who never spoke or wrote of what they did, in this lies frustration for those who would see their exceeding secrecy from the outside; they were not naturally inclined to explanation; and in the case of Corberon's disagreements, their silence was not a sign of exceeding abundance of disdain, but rather an exceeding abundance of tact." It's definitely possible that they were so secretive because they didn't want their knowledge of the future to be widely known. But as of right now in the series, there isn't really any conclusive evidence proving that the ancient Truthwatchers had the ability to glimpse the future. The closest I've been able to find is where in Dalinar's first vision, one of the Radiants tells him "speaking of what is to come is forbidden". Obviously, if there wasn't anyone opposed to Odium with that ability, they wouldn't have any reason to make a rule against it. That's all there is that I've been able to find that points to the ancient Truthwatchers being able to do it. Unless Brandon has said something that I haven't been able to find, or I just missed something in the books. If that's the case, let me know so I can stop being confused. But no REAL evidence that I've been able to find in the books proves it. The only example or evidence we have of Truthwatcher future sight comes from observing Renarin. But he technically isn't a true Truthwatcher due to Glys's corruption. It's possible that his ability to predict the future is only possible because of Glys being corrupted, since seeing the future is technically, like Ivory says, "Of HIM" or a power of Odium. But if the Truthwatchers did have access to that power, I don't think they had full control of it. Renarin doesn't seem to be able to see the future at will, it seems to hit him in flashes, like during the battle of Thaylen City when he saw that Teft and bridge four would be coming through the oathgate. When he does have visions, they don't seem to be too far in the future. The most advance we have seen from one of Renarin's visions is when he predicts the everstorm and gives a 60 or some odd day countdown. If the ancient Truthwatchers WERE able to see the future, the reason they might have not written it down and been so secretive is possible due to them knowing that speaking of what is to come is forbidden, but they also knew that their future sight could be an asset in the fight against Odium. So they might have chosen to try to use their knowledge of the future to guide the orders to victories without letting them know that they were using the future to do it. It's hard to judge with such a limited knowledge of their order, aside from a corrupted member.

I wonder if this could have anything to do with Aimia. In the story that Wit tells about Nomon and the queen and everything, he says that this an explanation of why the people of that place had blue tinted skin, kind of like Aimians? It might explain why they are considered to be kind of unholy, and we know that they must have some kind of abilities because the aimian that is encountered on the Reshi Isle is all tied up but it is said that he's only there because he wants to be there, and he could escape easily. We know that something big happened over there that hasn't been explained yet, with how Aimia was destroyed and for some reason there are the huge soulcast stone walls that had to be turned to smoke to gain access. There was some destructive event that took place there as well as Natanatan and the Shattered plains. It's even possible that the two events aren't separate events but one. With Oathgates in both New Natanatan and Aimia, it's possible that the third godspren or whatever caused the destruction in Natanatan may have moved through to Aimia to hide. It would explain the soulcast walls, which could have been the radiants trying to protect it or something. And that crazy cook crab person who killed the Smoke Soulcasting Savant could just be some manifestation of the power of the third godspren, or something like the spren trying to defend it. If I remember right, the cook said something along the lines that there is something in Aimia that should not be found or rediscovered. I don't know. That was an awesome theory though. Makes a lot more sense than the mess that I was able to come up with. I'm still kind of confused about the last sibling though, because Stormfather is the Godspren of honor, and Nightwatcher is supposedly the godspren of Cultivation, so is the last sibling the godspren of another god? Or is it just another incredibly powerful spren that is for some reason capable of creating a bondsmith? Because the only other god that it could be a spren of is Odium. Unless there is just a second spren of the first two. But that doesn't seem right to me. So where would this third Bondsmith Spren come from? And I don't think the whole Ishar thing could really be viable, because we know he is the God-King of Tukar, and none of the other Heralds were capable of the mass destruction that occurred in Natanatan and Aimia. There's no reason to believe that he's more powerful than the others. Any of them would be the leaders and "God kings and queens" of whatever countries they decided to reveal themselves and their abilities and immortality to. The heralds are generally depicted as gods anyways.

So, yeah Brandon has said that highstorms were there before Honor and Cultivation arrived, but because of certain events like Honor's splintering they were changed. All of Dalinar's pre-recreance visions and pre-death of the almighty visions have people using torches to see and such, is that because people hadn't discovered that gemstones captured stormlight? Or had highstorms not been changed to the point where stormlight shone through? And if they didn't need investiture from gems, does that mean that Honor powered them directly? That's really interesting.

So, there's a super long list of things I want to discuss, but first, If Dalinar is now bonded to Stormfather, and the remnants of Honor's splintered power allows them to do things that would not have been able to do previously as a bonded bondsmith like opening Honor's Perpendicularity, do you think Dalinar will be able to unlock the dormant potential of the Oathgates to travel to and from the cognitive realm? Because the gigantic spren of the Oathgate told Shallan that Honor locked the trans-realm capabilities of the gates, and since he was gone, there wouldn't be a way to unlock it. But now that Dalinar has according to Odium, "Ascended", he essentially IS Honor. Now obviously Dalinar hasn't been able to Ascend fully because, duh, he ain't a god. But I guess that it could be that because he was so connected to Honor because of who he is, and through his bond with the Stormfather, it allowed him to partially take up some of the splintered power of Honor, kind of like how if one was to consume Lerasium or Atium on Scadrial, they would be consuming the essence of a either Preservation or Ruin, but wouldn't ascend. If one was to consume ENOUGH of the essence though, bing bang boom you got a god. So obviously, Dalinar wasn't able to draw upon enough of Honor's power to ascend, but it's really interesting to see where that goes. It's kind of confusing though, because supposedly, Odium had found a way to splinter the power of the gods in such a way that their power couldn't be taken up again, resulting in the Dor on Sel, which is just the remnants of the splintered power of Devotion and Dominion pushing their way through the Aons, and I think this is also where stormlight comes from, Honor's splintered power shining through the realms during Highstorms. Considering this, It makes a lot of sense that Odium would get really scared and worried, and then retreat from the battle of Thaylen City when Dalinar started drawing upon the powers of the dead god, because he thought that by splintering it, he wouldn't ever have to worry about it being taken up. I'd be a wee bit angry. There's a lot of speculation on here, but this is just some of the thoughts I've been having, so let me know what you think.