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Not personally, no.

Nope, don’t mind at all! And yes, I definitely love roleplaying! The Radiant spilled the tea both literally on their opponent’s face and figuratively on their opponent’s face. “YOU’RE UGLY,” they yelled, as that was somehow the only tea their blackmail-material-searchers had dug up on the Mistborn.

If he actually confirmed her then it would be inside the canon, since what Brandon says is canon. Word of Brandon and all that. Happens all the time, and we accept it. However, if he confirms her outside of the text, then he needs to confirm it inside too. Not everyone reads extra content; if any causal reader would miss it, it’s not representation. Oh hey, are you also ace? Edit: @Dreamer, did you see my question about whether you’d seen my question?

Ene pulled them off of the bench and burned it.

I hate it when that happens! You can hide them in the options button next to the edit.

It's to Dryport?

That doesn't start with a Y

That’s when you do more if you’re bored, I can always suggest a roleplay... The Radiant Lashes themselves fully toward the Mistborn, preparing to kick them in the face.

Sorry to throw a wrench into your math problem (even more than Aydee already did) but post count doesn’t go up in here

Wouldn’t Steris inherit everything? Edit: FT, do you just know everyone?

I’m continuing this tangent here out of a hope for clarification - Shallan being bi is still technically in the realm of headcanon, right? I keep seeing that WoB brought up, but it’s not exactly a confirmation; it’s Brandon saying it might’ve been in his subconscious and that he’s flattered someone read the character as being bi relatably. I’m definitely in support of Shallan being bisexual, but as much evidence as there is, it’s not actually canon yet. (If it was, it would be more commonly talked about in threads like this, I think. One more datapoint of Brandon writing a LGBTQ+ character - and doing it very well, hitting all the points previously discussed here on how to do it well, imo.) Edit: I don’t know why it decided to post this three times, but I hid both of the others.

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Makes sense, he's certainly working with Odium...er, Passion.

Wow, how far did you get?

I’ve seen a character in a different story come back without any consequence, and it was one of the things that ruined the story, honestly. Plus, Brandon’s said he wants to be careful not to bring many characters back, because of what Trav just said, and because you either break your rules in doing it or don’t kill them off right. He already brought back Szeth and Kelsier and faked us out with Jasnah - any more would just be too much imo. Edit: but again, have your own opinion

I wonder what percentage of this thread is just *wins*, as opposed to actual content. If anyone is ever bored enough to count you’ll have my eternal respect

*also hugs* I’m so sorry you have to deal with that, that anyone has to deal with that. You’re definitely not being a chull. Just shows that we do still have to talk about this, because some people haven’t caught the drift yet that people have rights. Kidpen, you’re amazing, I love you I don’t suppose it’s Alex? Exactly, education and exposure can help lessen homophobia. Sometimes people are too close-minded, but it works other times. I just meant that most always feel the way they do, that it doesn’t usually drastically change. Gender is a complicated subject.

At least you usually have fanfics... *cries in ace* Happy to! Thank you for bringing me into this, I probably wouldn’t have seen it otherwise. Edit: did you happen to see my question on the last page?

Touchy is perhaps not the right word, it implies oversensitivity when people have a right to be sensitive about this. But you have a good point about no one being a skaa, koloss, or god. In most cases I’d agree with this, but since Brandon himself has said he will - and has talked before about how he holds both explicit and implicit promises by the author in high regard - I do think he is obligated to live up to what he has said, at the least. That is possible, true. I hope most people wouldn’t take it that way, but some might. I’d like to think most of the Sanderfandom knows Brandon better than that. Well, everything you just said makes it sound like you do care. What I’m talking about is when people are completely indifferent, because that get worse very quickly. Yeah, it’s definitely true that fewer people will fit into every part of a culture. I can’t think of any characters at the moment who have masqueraded as mentally ill people. And no, I wasn’t joking - again, I understand that you were, but I worry about it being taken out of context. *shrugs* Oh, I see. I read a book like that once. Granted, the book was also pretty badly written. That makes sense, I hadn’t thought of that. Good points. *facepalms* Good job forgetting that already, Ene. My bad.

You’re fine, just wanted to point it out. I will also say, in defense of the LDS faith, that while it officially disapproves of homosexuality, the policy is still to love and accept everyone. My seminary class was talking about this on Friday (that class was so short, wish we could have talked more - I was waiting for a chance to say something the whole time ) and the teacher specifically said that while the church doesn’t want people to be in samesex relationships because it goes against what God says will lead to the highest realm of heaven and happiness, we shouldn’t treat gay people badly and they themselves are fine, just so long as they don’t act on their urges. I generally have a different view from them on this topic, but I will say that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints does love and accept everyone. The individual members are individual people who will do their own thing, but God wants us to love everyone. And I agree, I’m proud of Brandon for representing LGBTQ+ at all. He definitely has a long way to go, but he’s done more than some and promised even more than that, so I’m willing to wait for him to get it right. Edit: Wait, @Honorless, looking at your tags - is pan officially part of the acronym now? Edit edit: @Elsecaller_17.5 it’s like six in the morning for him, I believe. (Sorry we kept you up late, sule )

Oh, Brandon Heart of Iron and the sequel by Ashley Poston. They’ve got four main characters/two couples, one’s straight and one’s gay. There are also gay/lesbian background couples. Besides that, the books are great in general, I recommend them to all of you. Yep, this is annoying. Beyond even just wanting a guy choosing between two girls - because that does sometimes stray uncomfortably close to actual historical prejudices - what about throwing a nonbinary person into the equation? What about making the love triangle about something other than sexual attraction? What about giving polyamory some love, pun intended? There’s just so much that could be changed here. I haven’t been very involved in the Harry Potter fandom, but from what I’ve seen, most of the kickback against that was because JKR did it entirely to jump on the representation bandwagon without having to do any work. There’s a lot of evidence for this, and most people (including me) are angry at her for that, rather than for him being gay. I’d love him to be gay, but as it is I can’t believe he actually is because she never bothered to write it into canon...not even when she had chances to after her announcement. I agree with most people in that we desperately need representation, but not if that representation is being written solely to be representation. Or if you’re doing that, then at least don’t make it their entire character. Okay, there’s a ton to work through here, so I’ve numbered it according to paragraphs. A lot of it I didn’t include, either because it was irrelevant or because it left me literally speechless. Haha what? You’re looking at the cosmere and all the literal hundreds of characters in it, almost all of whom have either shown a distinct preference for hetero relationships whether or not they are in one themselves, and you’re saying there are only a dozen or so relationships? What? I’m just genuinely confused here. You’d call him a man. Or, in this case since you’re using his gender identity as a part of the discussion, a trans or transgender man. I don’t think anyone really uses the term transsexual anymore. (Side note, trans people don’t ‘become’ the other gender. They simply are the other gender. Not all of them know it from the start, and that’s okay.) That doesn’t count and will never count as representation. You can headcanon someone all you like, I encourage it in fact, but it’s not representation until there’s confirmation by the author either on the page or off. Preferably on, for obvious reasons. Saying “oh, any of these people could be gay, why don’t you just assume that” is an excuse meant to satisfy people. Whether you intended it or not, it comes off as trying to push the real issues away and placate people with scraps, and that doesn’t work. I think you’re overestimating how hard it is to do that. Wouldn’t be too difficult for Brandon to slip something in about a couple getting sneered at on the streets, or someone during the investigation of the church in SOS to note that there’s a gay couple in there, that’s a bit surprising for a Surviorist church, or any number of lines that could be quickly placed. Maybe that kid from the mob Wax scattered could say something derisive about it along with other Pathian tenets. Easy. See, that’s not good. It’s not as bad as hatred and homophobia, but indifference can lead into that type of thing very quickly. I’m not asking that you jump up and excitedly join a cause or anything, but not caring can often be just as bad as being homophobic. If more people actively cared about more things, the state of the world would be better. The reason why LGBTQIA+ rights are still being discussed is because there are many people in this world who don’t acknowledge them or who actively work against them. I’m glad you recognize that we have rights, but not everyone does. Are you talking about a gay couple adopting a kid? Like, is there something else to ‘gay adoptions’? I don’t understand how that is possibly a problem. Do you have something against adopting kids? Gay culture is 100% a thing, just like American culture or black culture or like...literally any group ever lol. You put a bunch of people together with something in common and you have a culture based around that. It shocks me that I even have to explain this to people - but yes, there is very much a gay culture. And a culture for everything else. That’s what culture is. There’s a lot more to know and I doubt your aunt knows all of it. I’m not incredibly up-to-date on even American LGBTQ+ history, much less other countries, and same goes for the current happenings. Nor am I an expert in certain aspects of sexuality or gender. It’s a topic just like anything else, and I don’t expect everyone in the world to learn about everything - I’m certainly not going to - but there is absolutely more to know. There is need here. The lack of LGBTQ+ rep in books shows that. See 5. Also, who in the world said anything about intimacy? If you mean physical, nobody’s talking about that. But intimacy can also be romantic or platonic, and if you don’t have a problem with those when straight cis people engage in them, you shouldn’t for anyone else either. (Also that just really doesn’t have much to do with the argument at all, from what I’ve seen.) I get that this is a joke, but...really? You wrote don’t trust the mentally ill in your signature and decided that was perfectly fine? I can see where you’re coming from, but this excuse simply doesn’t work because of one thing: the internet. Brandon’s talked before about how he looked at atheist forums to be able to write Jasnah. If at any point in time he ever wants to read writings from, talk to, offer a rough draft of a character to, or otherwise engage with anyone of any sexual or gender orientation, all he has to do is some internet searching (it’s not even difficult, and you pretty much always have options). If he wants more beta readers who are gay, there’s nothing stopping him but himself. YES, SALAD, EXACTLY THIS. You put it so well. A+++. Yes hello I have heard the words of my headcanon and I have arrived You said the first thing you thought was “oh, come on” when a gay character flirted with you. That kinda sorta counts as a problem... If you’re absolutely convinced, then why is there a need for evidence? What even is the debate here? Why would a couple deciding to adopt someone be subject to this based on something mostly unrelated to raising a child? You wanting statistics shows distrust and disbelief. Again, you may not mean to convey that, but you do. Unrelated to the topic, but is English your first language? If so, could you perhaps follow the Shard’s rule about using good grammar? It can get confusing. If it’s not your first language, don’t worry about it. Hello, it’s nice to meet you! My sexuality is not my only defining trait, but it is an important one to me. As another person who’s part of the LDS church and who used to be a homophobe but isn’t one anymore, I have nothing against Brandon. I do hold him to his word; he said he would write LGBTQ+ main characters, that he wanted to, and I cheer that on. HOLY CRAP, THIS THREAD GETS BIGGER FAST. I’m just over here trying to write this one post and I’ve been ninjaed like a dozen times