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Shouldn’t this be ‘Because they’re all chicken.’

I don’t think Awakening requires connection. It seems to me like the only systems that do are Selish. For Allomancy and Feruchemy it takes the right bloodlines (barring any Lerasium). For Awakening it’s all about how many breaths you have, and everyone there is born with one. For surgebinding it requires either a Nahel bond or an Honorblade. It feels like of those the Nahel bond is the most similar to connection. I’ve theorized that Bondsmiths might have a resonance that encourages others to become squires to other orders, but I think that’s the closest we’ll see to this. On another note, what you said about doing a stormlight fuel hack, I don’t think it could work. I don’t think an Awakener can use stormlight for actual Awakening. Stormlight is a very active form of investiture, and doesn’t like to stay in one place, while Breaths are sticky. When you put them somewhere they stay there until you take them back. There’s also that Breath is literally a piece of a person’s soul, which is why it has the intelligence it needs to understand the commands. For stormlight you’d have to take some investiture with intelligence (like a spren) and put it into the thing you wanted to ‘awaken’. That may be possible, but not just with regular stormlight. The only stormlight fuel hacks we’ve seen are Zahel using stormlight instead of breath to survive and Nightblood consuming it when drawn, both of which are very non-specific about the type of investiture they need.

Interesting idea as far as using commands that are related to a different shards intent. I could see some interesting results from that. Maybe it could be possible to awaken a person to be an elantrian, or an item to give them elantrian level access to the Dor. Unfortunately the Dor is location specific. When Odium killed Aona and Skai he pulled the bulk of their power from the Spiritual realm, where most investiture tends to reside, into the Cognitive. This is important because the Spiritual has all locations in one, meaning that things there can be accessed from any location in any realm. The Cognitive however has location like the physical, so the power of the Dor can only be used in that location, namely Sel.

Bavadin is the shard Autonomy’s vessel. She likes to make these things called avatars and leave them on different planets. Avatars are like pieces of her that she pulls off and gives enough power and mind to for it to be able to take on a life of its own (letting it be autonomous:) ). Some of her avatars are male, but most are female.

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Arcanum unbounded also includes The Emperor’s Soul which is in the same world as Elantris, but has a lot more Cosmere knowledge in it. It has one of the best explanations for the 3 realms out of all Brandon’s books. Plus Shai is freaking awesome.

This is the premise of Inkheart, though with that it’s not about saving them.

David, will you please explain your simile? You are notoriously bad at them, yes, but they do always make sense to you, so please explain this one to us.

I think this is off topic, but interesting in its own right. For starters, Brandon’s creations are fictional, so brutality against them is fictional as well. That doesn’t make it completely fake, but certainly less real than brutality against real people. It’s similar to how Christ said that a man who lusts after a woman is guilty of committing adultery in his heart. So he could in theory be held accountable for this, but seeing as his books promote thought about moral and philosophical issues which can lead to real people choosing to improve their choices, this can be weighed in his favor. Plus his books don’t glorify the evils and brutality (unlike some other books that are popular right now), but rather show how bad they are and how important it is for the heroes to fight against them, which is also more likely to lead to kindness in the hearts of his readers. Again a point in his favor. Secondly, what you were saying about God giving Brandon the ability to brutalize makes God accountable. This is a fallacy. As a way of explaining, let’s look at Odium and Dalinar. Dalinar did terrible things, almost to a Hitler level of evil. Yes, Odium was pushing him all along, but Dalinar took responsibility for what he’d done, refusing to give his guilt to Odium. And just as Dalinar was responsible for his actions and chose to accept that responsibility, we are responsible for our actions despite the temptations we face from the devil and our own weaknesses. God is not responsible for our choices even if He could predict them, particularly when He believes so strongly in the sanctity of human agency (I’m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, just like Brandon, and this is one of the things we believe). The shard which is the closest parallel to God as we believe Him to be (personality wise) is Harmony. In Wax’s near death scene with Harmony he tries to blame him for all the bad things in the world, but Harmony very clearly and effectively explains that if he were to do more then he would be taking away the choices of people, and that from his perspective he can see the need for things like death, disease, and suffering. Similarly our perspective is very different from God’s. We see suffering in the world and it’s easy to either blame God, viewing him as cruel, or insist that he must not exist, but both of these options leave out the possibility that maybe He’s not only real but that He loves us so much that He lets us make our own mistakes and learn to deal with them. He does nudge things here and there, especially when asked, and for those who are willing to listen He does more personally in their lives, but He really does try to bless everyone as much as we will allow Him to. Anyway, sorry to take things even further off topic, but you brought up interesting points and I wanted to give my perspective.

I would love to see Marsh anywhere that people don’t know what the spikes mean.

It’s an interesting way of looking at it. I’m a software engineer, and this kind of reminds me of React, Angular, or MVC. In all three of those the user interface and the model are closely related and you can have a change in either cause a change in the other. Anyway, interesting stuff.

I expect that she’s attracted an Ashspren. That would put her at the same level as Venli at that point. She doesn’t swear the first ideal until a little later.

I’m not sure if I believe my own theory, but I wanna tell you the theory anyway. So when Dalinar summons Honor’s perpendicularity after everyone is there he counts them because he expects there to be 10. At first he counts 7 (himself, Kaladin, Shallan, Renarin, Jasnah, Lift, and Szeth), but the Stormfather points out 2 more, who he then points out are Heralds (Taln, and Ash). That puts it at 9. He wonders where the 10th is, but we know that Venli was nearby. This makes it so every Order has a representative except for the Dustbringers (Malata is gone with Teravangian), and the Lightweavers have 2 (Shallan and Ash). The thing is that while Taln and Nale both certainly still fit their corresponding Orders, Ash does not. She’s spent centuries destroying art, particularly all art referencing herself. So if she were to become a Radiant now, I don’t think she would be a Lightweaver. We don’t see much of her, but from what we’ve seen I’d say the Order she’d fit best with now would be the Dustbringers, which happens to be the one Order otherwise unrepresented at that scene. Just thought it was an interesting thought.

While the oaths might not conflict, Lightweavers have to lie a lot, and that would offend Honorspren.

Interesting points, but he’s currently a Windrunner squire. I considered the possibility that he could actually be squired to shallan and none of us know it, but we see him fly at the battle of Thaylenah.

I know most everyone will disagree with this, but I think Kelsier (pre-death) would best fit in with the Dustbringers. He REALLY liked to see what was inside nobles. By the end of Secret History I’d say he’s more like a Bondsmith. Interestingly I think Dalinar before the rift would have been a Dustbringer.

She’s as honest as Shallan. Like Shallan she’s just creative about the truth. I think of her as being similar to how Shallan will be further along in her development.

I get what you mean, but I think that even in Warbreaker she was more Elsecaller than Lightweaver.

No, I think she would be an Elsecaller.

I agree. I forgot to mention that above.

Ooh, and throw Wayne and Melaan in there too.

I’ve been thinking for a while about characters that aren’t radiants and what order they would fit in with. Back when I was reading WoR for the first time (before I got to the end) I kept having the thought that Aedolin could become a skybreaker because of how much he wanted to bring justice to Sadeas, and how he supported Kaladin when he was unjustly imprisoned. Anyway, thinking back on that got me thinking about other characters, mostly non-SA characters, and what orders they would fit in with. Shai would obviously be a Lightweaver. I think Wax would be a Windrunner, though I could also see him as a Skybreaker. Wayne would probably be a Lightweaver, but I really like the idea of him being an Edgedancer.

I love it. Especially if they kept meeting each other and not realizing it.

I agree.

Lol, yes!