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Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
That's what my team is banking on. I look forward to the night turn I believe one the GMs confirmed it at one point. Someone asked in the doc and they posted it in one of their mega clarification posts IIRC. On the bright side, I'll roll a new metal tonight. I'm really hoping for Lurcher so I can self-protect, but we'll just have to see. -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
I'd never NK Salmon or Amber, for that matter, if I didn't believe he was a v!Mistborn tunneling on my claim -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Whether or not you believe me, I did roll Thug last night. I cannot confirm or deny if we have a Lurcher at all, but if we did, they would have saved me to preserve that life for today. Do with that info what you will. I also didn't roll Lurcher N2. I put in the kill on Octopus when I meant to kill Ostrich. Dang these confusing color/animal names. -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
TBH I don't remember specifically. I did like 3 reads but can't recall which; I reordered the list after it was done and doesn't really matter. I didn't look at my teammates names until much later. -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Even I don't know what the goal is anymore -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
You're making it very hard for me to save you, friend Whoops -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
I tried. I really did. It seems you and the village are the ones checkmated, however. Sorry that it had to be you I dragged down in my master plan, but it's been a blast playing with you. Rae is cool and nice. I am not. But I do consider them my apprentice in some ways. In their first game ever, LG15b, I took her under my wing and we had much fun. I'm very proud of her and how much she's grown, both in games and IRL. That Salmon/Turquoise meme actually made me cackle. A lot. Like a good five minutes. Still chuckle when I see it. Brilliant work. Hail Hydra. Ivory come on, you and I both know we don't have that much emotional allomancy. It wasn't AtE, though I see how me being upfront with my emotions does in turn appeal to emotion or can be interpreted that way. The reputation thing has been a sticking point for me for a very long time and relates to some IRL trauma from my youth. I realize now my abrupt change in emotional tone was triggered by Salmon's abrupt heel-turn in our PMs - which we've since talked about and I hope has been forgiven - but you've definitely helped me realize that I myself blow the reputation thing out of proportion because whenever I get turned against, my brain immediately assumes it's because of my reputation. From the start, I should have refuted the problems I had with how Amber and Salmon reached the conclusion that I was an elim, as I did in my reveal post (please read everything before the reveal as serious game philosophy, I made very good points that have nothing to do with my alignment that should be considered), but at the point, I myself was blinded by my own assumptions, and everything just went downhill from there. That said, I do think whether or not people consciously take my reputation too seriously, it does lead them to subconsciously expect complicated ploys or subtle manipulations from what details I focus on, ignore, or how I interpret things, where in reality, my ADHD just causes me to hyperfocus on certain details and flat out ignore others. I would have defended Turquoise no matter what as well, I've done it for Straw many times in the past when I believed they were being unfairly exed regardless of their alignment, so my arguments regarding that N1 were honest. On the other hand, it was always my plan to tie my alignment with theirs and get executed myself, though I didn't enjoy how Amber + Salmon got there (again, see IG text in reveal post). I would have liked the conversation I was going to have with you actually got off the ground and pulled more people into it. I didn't know about the busing thing being normal tbh, I just thought my team decided Turquoise's death was inevitable. I personally wanted nothing to do with it because a long time ago, I bused a really good friend of mine who I love and respect deeply, which caused them great pain, so it's just not something I do unless I have no other choice. Serious game talk over, back to the fun! Right??? But we probably don't have a clear vision of things, given we're the ones on the chopping block. You nailed it. Unfortunately, no one will believe you. RIP Village Lurcher. -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
I'll sleep on it. Goodnight friends. Do be productive while I'm gone. I will return for proper commentary on the morrow. -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
*Is Liberal. Does not feel checkmated.* Ooo, interesting. Yeah, over the last couple years I've had trouble maintaining activity. This is a bit closer to the halcyon days. I'm glad it's been memorable, and thank you for the compliment. It means a lot :cry: Corals got a point, Em. -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Friendly reminder that while this is fun and all, the village still has a job to do. Please don't let me distract you. My team welcomes the challenge. -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
I mean. I wouldn't say no. I promise I'll be a good boy. Just feed me treats, and I won't pee on the carpet. It's probably what stands out most in people's memory, at least. Maybe you should try using more. Hey Coral! No idea who you are, but I've been reading you town practically since your very first post! Keep up the good work! Ooo, I like the way you think. But I also like honesty and avoid lying whenever I can. Except, of course, when I fully expect to get executed and have an opportunity to buy my friends more time. Yeah, I dunno about that. No one would have given me the chance to actually prove it anyway, which I already knew when I said it. Sweet dreams You know, I've been wondering if Rae is in this game. I hope they are, but if they're not, I hope they're well. Ya'll are just making me miss Rae more. Stahp. I mean, does repeating it actually change anything? Either way, I hope Salmon gives you an honest chance. -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Ignore that. Emerald is Village. How many times do I need to say it??? -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
A dear new friend. The more important question is whether or not I rolled Thug. Would be a shame if my team and I planned on me getting executed today because of it. I wasn't kidding when I argued P1 was too easy. -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
For what it's worth (probably nothing), the main deciding factor was that I believed Amber was a Village Mistborn, which is why he tunneled so hard on me after finding out my role from you. Sadly he was a boring ole regular. A dang shame. Hopefully this lightens the mood. -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Hi Onyx. I know we haven't played together before, but it's nice to meet you. The names Aman. I like to open wolf. -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
My only regret is that I couldn't have been bloodier. My ego says I still could have, if I didn't lose my initial post. Today, not much fun has been had, but I hope to redress the balance. Didn't plan on the reveal until Fifth stepped in, but it works. The result is the same if people find out now or tomorrow. This way is simply better for everyone involved. -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Thank you. I've been practicing my entire life. -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
I'm sorry if I made you think I was blaming you. That was less of a challenge to you, and more an expression of my feelings that began with this entire debacle last night. Also was an attempt to help you understand the context for my reaction. The reality is my reputation follows me, no matter what I do, consciously or subconsciously, for players who know me, and in turn they affect the opinions of people who don't. (OOG response start, do not analyze for purposes of game, simply need to get this off my chest, not sure if it's appropriate to blue text: Regardless of my alignment now, I often feel like as a Villager, I'm rarely allowed to survive long unless I find an elim quickly and secure village protection, since elims want me dead for my ability to direct others and solve late game; it leaves me very little room to make real mistakes before people start worrying I'm deceiving them. As an eliminator, it similarly impacts my ability to perform for my team because unless I bus a teammate early on, the same worries surface and make it extremely difficult to convince people who know me of anything because they come back with things like "You're a diverse enough player to bus one day and stalwartly defend another elim the next." I've convinced a lot of very good players that I was village when I wasn't and betrayed them in the end. I've collected information, saved it for a rainy day, and pulled off insane gambits like the time I got 4(5?) villagers killed in a single night because I convinced them all to use actions on me like protection when I had a secret role that kills anyone who targets on me every 3rd night of the game. I've openly claimed to be an Eliminator Coinshot (Cook in that particular game) out of pity and struck a deal with the villagers to only use my kills on inactive players, and actually convinced them into letting me live until we achieved parity. Perhaps it's time I accept this instead of fighting it. The reason I've left so many times is because I feel these scenarios are unfair, no matter what alignment I get. Perhaps what I should do instead is focus on the reason I keep coming back. I heckin love this community and everyone in it, both old and new. For many of the hardest years in my life, it was a haven where I was allowed to forget about my real life and have fun with people who love Sanderson, solving puzzles, and engaging in debates as much as me. One of my proudest accomplishments in my entire life is being chosen to participate in the Mafia Universe Championships and representing this place with honor. This place has a very special place in my heart, and as such, it hurts me when I don't feel I'm given a fair chance to play like anyone else because of much larger threshold I need to reach in order to gain trust and impact these games in a meaningful way. It was a home to me when I felt I had none for a very long time - a place where I had friends when I felt I had no one in my life and desperately needed them - and profound enough that just being a part of it saved my life on multiple occassions, simply by giving me something to constantly look forward to every time a new game started. These days, I am experiencing difficulities IRL that are significantly worse than what I previously believed was the lowest point of my life. I decided to join this game in an attempt to experience that all again because I was desperate. If today has taught me anything, it's how irresponsible I was to put that much pressure on a game that's meant to be fun, whether or not I actively made that choice or just stumbled into it. It's taught me that I put way too pressure on myself to do well and be perfect. My worth as a human being is not intrinsically tied to winning like my brain tends to insist. It's tied to the connections we forge together, the lasting bonds we form across the world, and I realize now that should have always kept that in the forefront of my mind when participating here and writing my posts. Had I done that, maybe things wouldn't have escalated so quickly for so many people. I never meant any harm to anyone in my life, most especially my friends; past, present, and future. And so now I put this into words for not just myself, but everyone here that's been affected in the last 24 hours. For everyone who has ever struggled like I am; past, present, and future. I am not alone. We are not alone. end of non-blue-text OOG) You're right. Anyone can say anything, village or elim. Words alone are but wind. Actions speak louder than words. And so I take the most important step a person can take. The next one. Again, you're right. I messed up by not defending against the points I disagree with before responding to people. That had been my intention from the beginning, but as I read the posts on Page 1, many thoughts and feelings surfaced that I wanted to express, and in doing so, I failed to consider what the natural result would be. People voted for me for a reason, whether or not I agree with the reasons, and without challenging those reasons, everything I say can be read as manipulation. (Once again, OOG statement that should not be considered for this game, emotional manipulation was not intentional behind any of my posts. I am just a very emotional person; I cry during every movie, show, and book if it has any kind of presented emotion, good or bad, and have even been teary eyed while rewriting this post. Always have been, though it's likely more prominent now since I'm currently going through a lot. Both Amber and Salmon know about the problems in my life, so there was a degree of me taking Salmon's complete shutting me out as a personal affront, even while I logically was aware there was nothing personal about it. It put me on a tilt that I have now, fortunately, broken out of with the help of Fifth and several other players behind the scenes. Furthermore, I am a writer through and through. It's been my dream to be a fantasy author for 15 years, when I was only 13 years old. It is a passion I have decided to pursue with all my heart and soul in the last few years, and as such, it bleeds into how I write these posts. If they feel to be deliberately crafted to appeal to emotion, that's a reflection of who I am and my approach to writing. I adore character driven stories, and emotion driven characters. In a way, my game related posts are my version of RP where my alignment is my character and winning is my character's motivation. That's why they read like speeches, which as you can probably see, I'm overly fond of. I understand now that I've taken that RP too seriously to a fault. I take responsibility for the fallout.) Now back to the actual game stuff. "You made a bunch of bad votes." This is one argument against me that I would like to challenge, for my sake and for every single player that is put in a similar position, whether village or elim. D1 I voted Amethyst Scorpion for firm language regarding the spiked being weak. It was before the Turquoise exe picked up any steam, and I wasn't there when it did. Right now, Amethyst's alignment is currently unknown. Until they flip, you cannot objectively say that was a bad vote. D2 I voted Saffron Iguana for reasons I actually believed in. You believed in those reasons too; enough to say it when you added your vote. Others voted them too, and it's very likely there are villagers like you who did so. For that reason, I don't consider that a bad vote. D3 I voted Quartz Zebra fully aware that no one would join it. I did not push for their death, but instead parked my vote somewhere I was comfortable. Likewise, I did not push your exe as hard as I could have; certainly not as hard as Salmon has implied. You were the only person that I interacted with at that time, and that interaction + Salmon's own read of you was enough to convince me into backing off. Much like Amethyst, Quartz's alignment is still unknown. Did I fail to vote a Spiked? Yes. Is this the worst of my votes for that reason? Also yes. Is it a bad vote? Perhaps. The question I propose is this: If either Amethyst Scorpion or Quartz Zebra were dead and revealed to be an elim too, would your opinion of my votes change? Surely they would be "good" votes then, right? I wholeheartedly believe that unless you know something about those two slots that the rest of us don't, it's disengenious to call these bad votes. Such language paints me in a worse light than I deserve when multiple others voted outside of Turquoise. Most especially the votes on Emerald, the only real counterwagon, who's alignment is still unknown to everyone here. Even though people suspect Turq and Em are teammates, suspicion is by no means confirmation, and much of Amber + Salmon's case against me is built upon the foundation of that belief. It's that belief that I have so many problems with, and that I have intended to challenge this entire time. So here we go. Amber convinced himself that an eliminator rioter used their vote manipulation to bus Gorilla Amber convinced himself this meant the elims actively wanted to preserve Emerald's life first, and therefore they too are elim Amber convinced himself that because Emerald must be an elim, I'm lying about my scan of a teammate, and thus an elim too This is the root of my frustration; the aforementioned flawed logic. The main argument for me being evil is not just because Emerald is evil; it's because Emerald is evil because an elim!Rioter saved them over Turquoise. I am two steps removed from the situation, and yet somehow the crux of it. We now know that Amber was a villager, which means he did not have confirmation that any of the manipulations came from an elim. If anyone claimed to be responsible for this to either Amber or Salmon, they would need to be flipped in order to support this chain of events. Furthermore, he ignores the possibility that all vote manipulations that occurred that day are Village - that they all believed Turquoise was evil more than Emerald and acted accordingly - which in fact was the consensus, even before said manipulations, hence the 8 votes on them and 4 on Emerald. Furtherermore, if the elims actively used their vote manipulations to bus Turquoise in secret, then surely they would also have voted for Turquoise in order to earn village credit. Despite this, neither Salmon or him responded to my own post about that very subject; who the likely busers are. Even if we assume that Emerald was an elim too, this remains a possibility; especially if the elims wanted to make sure that Emerald or themselves did not die in the future. Instead of engaging with me in a discussion about public Turquoise busers, this is what Amber chose to focus on. Likewise, Fuschia and Salmon ignored the very good points I raised on this subject with the former insisting my defense of Turquoise could not have come from a Villager, which came before this argument was presented, instead interjecting when I challenged Fuschia on his inability to accept that I could be a Villager. At the time, I felt that I made a genuine effort to solve the game only for it to be discarded for theories that are comparably unproductive, due to all the unknowns and assumptions involved. If you're voting for me because I didn't vote Turquoise, I can accept that. But if you're voting me because Amber, a now confirmed villager, built this unfounded narrative to justify Emerald and I are both an elim, then I cannot accept that. It's why I was so upset with Salmon; this very post was the turning point where he shut Emerald and I out. That suggests he came to the decision I'm an elim here, and not sooner. Even if he expressed his doubts or harbored them in secret - even if he had other reasons to worry that I'm an elim - this was the tipping point. Unfounded speculation about elim roles and how they're using them. A fairytale born from paranoia that both players are smart enough to see is not a guarantee for Emerald or my alignment. P1. If there are reasons to think with high confidence that Emerald is evil, they are wrong. P2. I did indeed scan them, and they are indeed a Villager, hence why I know they are wrong. P3. Further proof of the scan being honest; and yet it's being altered by P1 to be false. Salmon's view of Emerald is not based on the fact I scanned them, when it should be proof that their "high confidence" is wrong. Alongside Amber, they reached the conclusion Emerald was an elim based on things she and I both know are incorrect. They are using an unrelated source of important information to justify their own biased reads, which betrays their tunnel and paranoia over Seekers. They have been duped by false scans in the past and assume that must be the case now with no actual proof. They are working backwards, rather than forwards, and regardless of my alignment, I have severe problems with that. Everyone here should, themselves included. A. While they bring up the possibility my Seeking of Emerald is truthful, albeit says nothing about my own alignment, Salmon refuses to engage with this from P1. He already has high confidence that Emerald is evil, right? It's the very reason by he goes on to focus on B. There was no scan because we are teammates, and us inviting Salmon into a group PM was an elim!ploy to grab trust. And thus it informs the rest of this post. The rest of his biases. First, my claim tripped red flags because he decided it was a ploy to "account" for my actions with an unprovable metal. He says it seemed designed to project the idea that we are trustworthy. Much like with the e!rioter --> e!emerald --> e!charcoal progression, Salmon takes an incredibly firm stance on something with a lot of unknowns. It does not consider the reality where I'm being honest of my scan and giving information I have to an all but confirmed Villager. It assumes the worst from the very start. Second, Salmon reveals his paranoia by talking at length about why he assumes the worst about Seekers. He talks about previous games in which scans have been used to gain trust, using those past games as evidence to insist this Seek could not be genuine. He says "people fixate on the utility of Seekers" while fixating on the fallibility of Seekers. It's the exact same problem that he's preaching against, but in reverse. If anything, this just proves that Seeker roles should not exist in the first place. It's the same problem with my reputation affecting paranoia. By embracing that paranoia instead of giving Seekers and me a chance to prove themselves, it renders their benefits completely useless. I could be lying because I'm an elim, so everything I say cannot be trusted. A Seeker could be lying because their an elim, so everything they say cannot be trusted. I didn't realize this before, but it's the exact phenomena repeating, and it explains why my reaction was so volatile to myself. It's unfair to the people who are honest and it does the village a diservice. Third, I am my own player. I can make decisions that are not what others consider optimal, for reasons that are completely my own. Salmon didn't even bother to inquire further than what base explanation I gave, and it's showing. So allow me to explain myself now. I only had one night to scan one person. I could either scan a player that I suspect and maybe get an elim, subsequently get that person executed D2, which requires me finding a player I trust enough to act as the intermediary for that information without the assurance they're a villager from a scan. Even if I contacted an elim and they still helped me execute their teammate, I'd be summarily killed, and any trust I may have earned is gone. Furthermore, the elims teammates could take advantage of the situation to bus and potentially earn village trust of their own, and the early loss of said elim would likely not drag any of them down because the executed elim would have much fewer posts to analyze. Personally, I would deem this situation a net loss, and thus I went for another tactic: deliberately finding another villager who I could bounce ideas back and forth, then slowly build up a trust group in secret to better narrow down the elims. Salmon mentions counter wagons (people I deem inevitable to be scrutinized by the village regardless and, if village themselves, could probably be figured out by myself, the person I scan, and every other hard working villager) as well as Emerald's activity (only present in the latter half of the cycle, which is a complete non-factor he didn't bother to ask about; I made the decision N1, even deliberated on it until the very last minute [Amber, Salmon, or Emerald], at which point Emerald had been active and put in what I read as genuine solving). Ultimately, my philosophy on village play is that it cannot be done alone. Teamwork is needed in order for us to prevail over the elims. Though we only start the game knowing our alignments, that does not make this a solo game. And so I decided to not play it like a solo game from the start. He says he believes that combined with Emerald likewise pushing against the Turquoise lynch, this logic is immutable. Once again, it boils down to the question I've been asking since the flip. Why can't a Villager have opposed the Turquoise lynch? Why does opposing a single elim flip guarantee a players alignment? I ask these questions because I have the privilege of knowing that Emerald is a Villager from my scan, which proves to me this evidence is just not good enough. If there's any lesson we learn from this situation, it's this. Paranoia is not your friend. It might protect you sometimes, but it hurts people just as often. Hurts yourself and your ability to think, hurts the village's ability to work together and win a game, hurts your friends and loved ones. Especially the extremely emotional ones. I believe you have too. I wasn't having fun originally. Not last night, no. Today I was, until the reactions from my initial post began rolling in, until Fifth stepped in, and I realized I was suddenly having too much fun. Up until today, I've been forcing myself to do work I wasn't passionate about (isolating people, analyzing votes) when that was never my strong suit, and it was literally driving me insane. I know Salmon feels my pain there, even if it's for a fundamentally different reason. Said insanity is why him and I got here in the first place. But no more. This insanity ends now. I did. Yeah, to be honest, I was playing with my food there. It wasn't meant to convince anyone still alive that I'm village. It was a message specifically for Amber, which I now know I should have sent in our PM. A little friendly taunting. A lot of me wishing last night didn't happen, because it forced me to kill him when I really didn't want to. I'd have much preferred earning his trust and proving everyone's paranoia over me right with another resounding victory. Alas, it was but a dream. Alas, it's time to embrace reality. @Salmon Meerkat "Come! Let us cast aside titles and pretense, and reveal our true faces to one another!" "I am Amanuensis! He who shall lead his brethren to victory from beyond dark slumber!" Let the AMA and openwolfing begin. -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
I am sorry for my part in this. Not as a player, but as a person. I hope everyone knows it. And thank you. -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
I genuinely agree with this post more than anything else you or Amber have said against me. Executing me is perfectly valid for this reason. Executing me for the arguments presented last night is not. I can accept pragmaticism, but I can not accept the illogic from last night on sheer principle alone, and will show everyone the flaws shortly. The last and only thing I care about is showing you specifically why I've reacted the way I have. Charcoal Hyena. I was literally one sentence from posting it, for the record. I lost two hours of work to an internet interruption. Was extremely discouraged, about to quit entirely, but I made a promise to myself not to give up, so I'm going to try again. Once I've said my peace, I will do what I can to lead the village in the right direction after my flip. I see now how I only played into the elims hands by reacting the way I did today. Any further discussion about me from anyone else only prolongs this unnecessary distraction, and I'd like it to end now. I will. I'm sorry it's taking so long. Last night tilted me more than I could have possibly anticipated. Once I'm done, I hope we can move forward. -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Ah yes. Backed into a corner by myself. It couldn't possibly be that I'm a villager forced into a situation beyond my control. It couldn't be that I had opinions that contradicted others, did things that others would not have done, because being an individual is "objectively wrong" and being wrong about a single elim means "evil." It couldn't be that I'm not the kind of person that refuses to back down against injustice. They are to me. I know they are objectively false. You yourself have said that in this game, we are the only ones who know our alignment until we flip; that the game is to converse with each other and prove ourselves.All I know for 100% certainty is that Emerald and I are Village. If someone has a reason to believe otherwise, it has not been thought over enough to lead to the objectively correct conclusion. Their "honest, decent assumptions" are flat-out wrong, and thus can only be described as ill-conceived. Would you prefer a villager to lay over and die when their fellows are turning against? If you or anyone else was in my shoes, I'd encourage them to do their best to prove their honest. I implored Saffron Iguana to do that very thing, was willing to vote elsewhere if he searched for an elim and showed their progress. I asked Turquoise to do the very same thing, and when you provided me a reason to believe you could be village, I backed off and gave you a chance. I've done nothing to be fair people, and I do not feel I'm receiving that same courtesy. I promise, my previously promised post will shed light on all that I have done and thoroughly explain why I have done it, how there's no damnable evidence that hasn't been severely blown out of proportion because of my player reputation (the very reason I left SE in the first place), and point out all the factually incorrect assumptions that Salmon should see, but is refusing to. When I'm "against" someone and their a villager, this is the reaction that I expect from them. If I end up voting a villager wrong, it's because they failed to deliver. Listen to yourself, Onyx. "You presented a massive argument against me based in my votes for villagers and defense of gorilla; would the same not apply to you?" It absolutely does apply to me, but what did you do? You went to explain your reasoning and I took it to heart. Was I wrong to do that? Are you not a villager who placed a couple bad votes and yourself stated: We are the same. All your votes were informed by mine except for Gorilla's, remember? The only thing you and I don't share in this post is "I can't really stop you." That is not a philosophy of mine. If I am capable of defending myself, then I'm going to do it, and I believe every single player in this game is capable of seeing reason, other than the people who want this to happen. The elims. The people we're supposed to be finding right now. Your definition of fun or why you play these games may be different than mine, and that's perfectly fine. I have no problem dying. I told Salmon in PMs to send the Coinshot after me long before he turned on me because of Amber's misunderstandings! Perhaps my tone is coming off wrong because I'm exceptionally longed winded or an emotionally driven human being, but this is my definition of fun. Proving myself. Finding bad guys. It's why I signed up for the game in the first place. I ensure you, no one is fighting. We are friends still, I'm just welcoming the debate. I agree my flip gives information regardless of alignment. I will be happy to die if it's for a good cause. This is not a good cause, and so I present the whole me. If I get exed at the end of the day, I don't care. But there are more than 30 hours until that, and I'm going to use every living second I have to do my job. I was not appealing to Amber in the dead doc; he's dead. I was reaching out to my friend who died when he didn't have to. I didn't want him gone as much as Salmon did. All I'm saying is to hear me out. If you're going to lynch me for information, then say it after I've finished my Opus. But don't tell me your going to vote me for things I know to be false and expect me not to call those falsities into question. That is not who I am, have been, or will ever be. In the end, I'll be satisfied knowing I at least tried. Sometimes in life, all you need to do is try. This. I am just having fun while I'm still able to participate in the game. I hope that everyone is doing the same, and that no one is stressed out. I'm certainly not. The way I see it, so long as I try, I win either way. It's why I joined the game in the first place. I didn't join to give up. Giving up is not what I do. -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Oh, sorry. I forgot that villagers can't be emotional. -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Then you're either a wolf or an honorary one. I will refute each and every wrong argument of yours with or without your approval. -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
There is no single word to express how I feel right now. Baffled that it has come to this, dejected that we lost Amber over a sophic fairytale, frustrated that I am still alive when I all but threw my hands up in defeat, disappointed that not a single person has thought to question how easy and nonsensical this is, amazed at whoever is responsible for this cruel joke of a night turn. Amber. My friend. I hope the dead doc provides the clarity I desperately wanted you and Salmon to have. I'm sorry that I did not put in the effort to convince you of my alignment sooner. Perhaps my greatest regret right now is not speaking with you more in our PM. Maybe if I answered your questions earlier and better, this situation would have never happened, and we'd have ended up in a trust group together. Maybe you would have trusted me if I Seeked you instead of Emerald on N1, though I'm certain you'd have given me a hard time to prove it. I hope we can play again in the future when I'm in a better mental space, and I apologize for any grief that I inadvertently caused you. None of this was my intention. I did, and it remains true. I was saved by a Lurcher, though I have no clue who. I agree with this assessment. No one has claimed to me and no one defended me in thread. There's only one player that's engaged with me with levity in PMs last night, so I've asked them, but I don't know why they didn't warn me ahead of time if they're indeed responsible. They have not posted yet today, but hopefully I'll have a response soon. If not them, this is the only explanation. The more I read these posts, the more the reason becomes abundantly clear. Thank you for being the only person to question it, even though you still ended up voting me afterwards. I hope that means you're keeping your mind open and that you take my words to heart. Et tu, Emerald? You know as much as I do how ridiculous and irritating this scenario is. To be stonewalled by a person who we wholeheartedly believe should realize we're village, except they're too wrapped up in their paranoid musings to listen to our words. Why else would the elims not kill you, but Amber, in the same turn I am saved from the village coinshot? Your alignment is directly tied with mine. So long as I live, you remain unconfirmed. They don't care if you've been scanned if no one believes us. It's clearly only worked against us so far. And with Amber dead, it forces the village to take my execution into their hands. If the elims have a Lurcher like it seems, then Salmon's talk about the coinshot attacking me would have been too perfect an opportunity to ignore. It would be a mistake not for them to not capitalize on this misunderstanding and maximize the chaos. So long as the village remains fixated on us, they'll continue to ignore them. I'm watching you. I'm glad you're enjoying this enough to meme about it. I hope that you know I'm deeply sorry if my reaction on our PM upset you. In my defense of that, you understand why I'm emotionally charged, and none of what I said was meant to hurt or attack you. Despite all the stressors that have come with this game, I've had some great fun with you, and I really loved our non-game related conversations. A part of why I was so caught off guard was because of that fact, and how I didn't want to lose it. Not without an explanation, and not without making my case. You are wrong, friend, and by your own words, you are being one hell of a stubborn chullson. You may not have been open to persuasion then, but I am asking you to at least try to internalize my words. There doesn't have to be a future game where we are on the same side. We are in that very game right now. I love Fix You and this so much. Saw Coldplay live twice. Always makes me cry. If there's anything good that came out from this madness, it's that it inspired this. You're right. Amber was a threat kill. You're wrong about your arguments against me. Or the reality where my green flip confirms that Emerald is Village and Em replaces Amber in your trust group. Had my death gone through, do you think you would be as thoroughly doubted by anyone? Probably not everyone. Where the thread executed next would be a complete unknown, allowing cases to build on others. When you did your Tineye fakeout, you talked a lot about not letting a Seeker scan to consume the entire discussion. Isn't his exactly what's happening now, but in the reverse? You're so afraid of lying Seekers from the past that you refuse to believe an honest one exists in the here and now. So I ask you, with great respect and trepidation, why aren't you calling for others to examine other options now? Is it perhaps because you're tunneling on me? Surely it can't have blinded you so thoroughly, you can't even realize that you're blinded. I mean to address every single halfbaked, harebrained argument that both Amber and Salmon have presented and put an end to this farce once and all. I have too much pride to go down for nothing without my best intentions laid bare. That is my duty as a villager, and I intend to see it through until the end. My other duty, my more important duty, our most important duty, is to get us back on track to finding the real elims, who I know are cackling at our expense from the shadows. Consider this my challenge accepted, thralls of Ruin. And you, Salmon. You have said many a time that executions like this are my battleground. I will show you that it applies when I'm Village too. I will show you all. But most of all, I will show myself that I still have a life to live for. And it begins with you. Expect a post much larger than this in the next few hours. But for now, I need to force my ADHD to stop hyperfocusing on this game and finally eat some food. -
Anniversary Game 8 / AN11: Back to Beginnings
Charcoal Hyena replied to Elbereth's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Double posting only to say no matter how great you are at constructing a paper and articulating your arguments, these rabbit holes you and Amber have thrown yourselves down have severely blinded you. Remember when I said in our PM that if a conclusion is objectively wrong, there's a flaw in your process somewhere? It's right heckin' here. Like it or not, your high confidence is wrong. I put in the action, you didn't. I received the result, you didn't. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Emerald is Village, and the fact that you've somehow tricked yourself into thinking I'm an elim because you refuse to believe Emerald's alignment borders on comedy. And not a good comedy at that. I'm talking the Emoji Movie level of bad comedy. Do you two really think that I, as an elim, would allow events to unfold so astronomically bad that Turquoise, Emerald, and myself all get found out in the same night? I can't tell if you underestimate or overestimate me at this point, but I'm frankly insulted either way. If I had an evil master plan, y'all sure as heck wouldn't be able to figure out. I am confident enough to claim that much. You are so incredibly off, it actually hurts me. Paranoia, paranoia, paranoia. It's such an easy word to say. One that gets used a lot in this community. And while it's a decent survival mechanism, Paranoia is not your friend. Its purpose is to hurt you. To hurt the village. It is exactly what the elims want and you two are singlehandedly giving them the reigns. Kill me. Please. I heckin' welcome it. Then you get to see Emerald is Village and the elims will just kill them anyway. Meanwhile, I'll be dead. Sweet release. Sweet silence. Sweet, sweet vindication. I may have screwed up with my part in the Saffron exe, but that's got nothing on this. All cards on the table for the rest of you: Village Mistborn N1 got Seeker, was debating between Amber, Salmon, and Emerald because I was a lonely boy and wanted to play the game with someone I could talk about big brain things with. Decided not to do either Amber or Salmon for player ID reasons (figured we'd be able to vibe without a scan and I'd figure out their alignment later). Emerald was an unknown but had nice ISOs day one, though I couldn't tell if I was effort clearing them or genuinely reading as Village. Wanted to save myself the headache from solving a slot I expected a lot of dense content from and took the shortcut. N2 got Lurcher. Protected Emerald. Nothing happened. N3 got Soother. Can't prove it until tomorrow. Praying I don't get the chance. Would have liked to have been more helpful, but RNG is what it is, and stubborn people are who they are. Best of luck, my friends. Tyrian Falls is going to need it.
