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    Ok. What I’m trying to say is “I don’t have the motivation to make good, thought-out reads, so I’m like ‘ok, this person seems suspicious’ and I build other suspicions around that. It’s not an elim thing. It’s a me thing.” I hope that helps.
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    I put a lot of weird explanatory stuff in there because I feel like people were harping on me for not doing any analysis. It really boils down to the fact that it’s more likely that Albatross survived if they were an elim.
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    FYI - that wasn’t what I was replying to. I was replying to them misspelling it in their VC earlier. Honestly, I’m not sure. I didn’t have too many big reads at the moment, but… maybe Albatross? I remember I was gut reading them kind of weird at that point in the game. In fact, I find this recent survival has only strengthened my opinions against them, since it seems vastly more likely if they were an elim. They could be a vil!Thug, or could have struck a deal with a Lurcher in PM’s, but they could also be an elim!Thug, or could have been protected by an elim!Lurcher. The former is about equally likely for both elim!Albatross and vil!Albatross, but the latter is much more likely to be elim!Albatross. So… Albatross.
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    [I’m very confused as to what you mean here]
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    [Apologies. I have been lacking the motivation to post much today, but I find it likely that the vote manip was all elims, possibly 1:1. Iguana and I had been the brunt of most of the suspicion D1, so whether or not they’re an elim, the elims have reason to protect both of us.]
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    *Blood pools on the floor under Mauve Crocodile's corpse, as cheery opening music plays* *Gorilla walks onstage, hair frazzled and tears running down eyes* Keep it together, Gorilla. Keep it together. *ahem* *ahemmm* heLLO EVERYONE!!! We- *cough* Welcome BACK to SANDERSON ELIMINATION! The 17th Shard's FA-FAVOOORITE GAME SHOOOOOOW! (I'm OKAY, Martha! *sob*) AS UUUUUUSUAL, we have MURDERED BRUTALLY one of our contestants!!!!!!!! Woo. OKAY. Let's get on with things. SO, Turquoise, what do YOU think about this recent development? (Yeah, yeah. I can be a host and a contestant at the same - at the same ttttime. Dddon't ddon't doubttt mmmeeee, MARTHA!) [WELL, Gorilla, I think this was not a good development!] Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can see that! [Yeah!] *stands there awkwardly* *sobs quietly*
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    I really don't want to see either Croc or me exed, so I've gotta go with Iguana. Sorry bud - I've been reading you pretty null throughout the turn, but I don't want either me or my top village read to die here.
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    Updated VC (wow that’s a lot of votes): Turquoise Gorilla [3]: Violet Axolotl, Coral Swan, Scarlet Octopus Charcoal Hyena [2]: Chartreuse Penguin, Salmon Meerkat Coral Swan [2]: Oxblood Beagle, Turquoise Gorilla Mauve Crocodile [2]: Emerald Falcon, Fuchsia Ostrich Violet Axolotl [2]: Onyx Flamingo, Mint Heron Saffron Iguana [2]: Pearl Chameleon, Mauve Crocodile Amethyst Scorpion [1]: Charcoal Hyena Pearl Chameleon [1]: Amethyst Scorpion
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    [It is mildly ironic, but that’s not the reason I voted for you. I feel that starting a train this late in the day is futile, and I was gut reading you mild elim. Plus all the stuff I said in my post above.]
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    [Ok, so I think I’m going to join the Swan train. I’m mostly reading them null; maybe mildly elim, but I really don’t see the reason for most of the other trains here. Chameleon and Crocodile both seemed very village to me in PMs, and I don’t really see why everyone’s jumping on Hyena; none of their posts at all stood out to me]
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    [Can we have a VC ples]
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    Hehe
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    Wellll heLLO everybody, and welcome back to SANDERSON eeeeLIMINATION!!! Our contestants have just answered our OPENING QUESTION, so let’s take a look at their responses. Out of the five of these, I’d say I like TURQUOISE GORILLA’S the best! Why, thank you, host! You’re very welcome! (Yes, Martha. I’m talking to myself. Do you have a PROBLEM with that?) I do like Iguana’s comparison to a previous game - it doesn’t hold up in context, but they didn’t KNOW the context here. Um… I usually feel like with balanced roles, 25 percent rather than 20 is the sweet spot. That’s why I, uh… *ahem* Gorilla said 6 or 7. There’s more room for 5-elim teams if they have more than one kill role, but that’s rather unlikely.
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    [My own thoughts on the distro: I believe there to be 6 or 7 elims - 6 if there is a coinshot or mistborn among them; 7 if there is not. I'd say there are about one of each role, give or take one or two, in the village population. I'm not sure about elims, but I'd say there's likely one kill role (coinshot/mistborn) among them and two or three other, non-kill roles). That's all for now, I guess. More CR content coming when more people have replied.]
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    HELLO THERE, and welcome to the 17th Shard's fAAAAAvorite game show! It's called- *aide whispers frantically in ear* (yes, excuse me? Yes, I'm sure this is a game show. Damn it, Martha. If I say it's a game show, then it damn well be a game show. Yes, I know that logic is flawed. Now go away, I have a show to host.) *ahem* It's called SANDERSON ELIMINATION, and this week's episode is very special - it's the anniversary game, where contestants compete for the highly coveted PASS OF IRRELEVANCE! (Yes, Martha. I know that's not what it's called. It needed a suitably dramatic name.) And here's your host, TURQUOISE GORILLA! *Applause track plays* (I did just introduce myself, Martha. Shush.) *walks onto stage* Yes, yes, thank you. Like our wonderful announcer just said, I'm your host, Turquoise Gorilla. But enough about me; let's have a look at our contestants! Ooh, we've got a lot of them this time. As usual, (this is the first time I've hosted this, Martha. How perceptive of you.) let's start us off with our opening question. Hmm... let's go with this: what do you think is the village to elim distro? Since there's so many of you, let's just "popcorn" it out, and once we've received a few answers we can move on to the next part of our show, the SHOWDOWN! (No, Martha. I don't have any idea what that means. I'll figure it out, Martha.) [OOC: ooh, this is gon' be a FUN CR. It has no relevance to the actual setting, but]
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    So I understand we have a fair few kills floating around. Fancy triple tapping the GM?
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    I just wanted to say that this is really quite lovely to see - thank you all for being so considerate. It is heartwarming to see the community acting in this manner.
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    Hey all! Fancy having some fun this cycle? I've been informed through several of my delightful contacts (thanks guys) that a certain player is blackmailing both Autonomy and myself. Now, I don't really like blackmail. We saw blackmail in some of the very earliest games, and to my pleasant recollection I remember a real hatred of blackmail and mayoring in the games I played, in years gone by. This all being said, Melon Dingo. I know you're a villager - Azure Mouse sets out the rationale for that well. Autonomy and I are not villagers. We are neutral players. We have, I think, played well to our neutrality this game. In large part, this has been because both teams have treated us well. Blackmail does not incentivise us to cooperate with the village, I'm afraid. Indeed, blackmail has the opposite effect, and rather persuades me at least, that unless repudiated, I should stand up to it and lend my support to the other side. These games are about fun, not about coercing players to act in a particular manner.
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    Can confirm Opal Lion definitely shouldn’t be in that range - they’re definitely one of Odium’s lot. They seemed positively enthusiastic about giving me a PM with Ostrich earlier!
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    I think the point about inclusion/exclusion has less to do with the sharing of conclusions as it does the feeling of having a stake in the discussion leading to the conclusion.
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    Turquoise Gorilla: Azure Mouse: Azure Mouse, please correct me if I misunderstand your post. I am going to summarise my understanding of it as follows, so we can be clear we are discussing the same thing: 1) You suggest that an element of why this game has not felt inclusive is because players are not engaging in thread 2) You blame an element of low engagement on players stating they do not want to be engaged 3) You suggest there are issues with trust circles even where PMs do not exist 4) You suggest I am calling for an infrastructural solution to this. I think the first point where I think you have misunderstood me is that I am not addressing the meta. I haven't played a game on this site (other than a very brief return for MR42) since 2018. I do not know what the meta now is. My expression of frustration was instead limited to this game alone, and was not intended as a polemic on the wider issues that may or may not be affecting the community. I think, to restate my point, I am not enjoying this game. This is a great shame, as I enjoyed the first part of the game. In my post quoted above, I expressed one reason why I wasn't enjoying the game, and I suspect other players out of the loop may feel the same way. In regards to your points specifically: 1) My challenge to that would be that it is extremely difficult to engage in a non-RP manner in thread with vastly more limited information than those controlling the lynch each cycle. I would further suggest that any such engagement would be considered far less valuable, both specifically because we have been told who to lynch each cycle anyway, and because it is not coming from a trusted player. I would further suggest that the motivation to post is much, much lower if it feels like a separate conversation to the game determining conversation which other players are having behind closed doors. 2) I think your second point here is a straw-man. Quartz Zebra may have said they didn't want to be engaged, but I was speaking in my post driven by my own feelings about the game. I was very heavily engaged with the game up until early cycle 3, at which point engagement with me seemed almost to drop off a cliff. 3) I accept that trust circles have long been an issue. I disagree that fear of trust circles is a good reason to avoid trying to make the present game fun for all players involved. 4) I reiterate that I am not suggesting a meta solution, not knowing at all the present meta. I am expressing frustration at how it feels like I (and I assume other players) are being frozen out of this present game, despite a desire to engage. I would note that all of the above is driven by feeling. My arguments may not be as sound as they could or should be, but I hope they convey accurately my feeling, which is I think the most important thing I am trying to get across.
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    Locke Tekiel sighed, but sat up at the bar and reached for another pint. He looked around for a friendly face, but found those around him cold, refusing to meet his eyes. Conversations whispered in the gloom of the old bar, and in his solitude Locke caught the odd word, but little more. Oh for the days of his youth... Locke was growing old. He ached when he woke, now, and no longer had the energy or sprightliness he once carried. He had worn many faces, faced many a danger, stood and spoken to many a mob. He had slid daggers into the backs of friends, had personally led the lynching of near entire crews of those with nefarious intent, but never had he felt such weariness as today, sat alone in a bar, with nary a word of greeting in days. Oh, how he longed for his youth - for the spirited discussions around the noose, for open plotting, and that sense of community - yes, Locke thought, it was that Connection, that sense of belonging that he missed. He rose, slowly, from his place alone at the bar, coughed and stepped up onto a small table, feeling for once a little of his old self return at his desire to speak. Clearing his throat, Locke turned towards the whispering clusters of figures on the far side of the room, and spoke, growing bolder as he did so: Evening all. The lynch seems settled enough - I’m not even going to start getting involved in that. I’d also like to preface this to say I’m not asking for pity, nor condemning any individual player. I’m writing my thoughts up because I feel slightly saddened at the state of the game, and haven’t felt this way since a long, long time ago, where such behaviour was more common. As is known to a great many of you, I am a neutral player. Invention, to be specific. A number of you can verify this - Azure Mouse, to name but one. It has been increasingly known that I am a neutral player; I have hardly kept it to myself. However, as it has become more widely known, I have felt a disturbing trend. Perhaps it is that this game is being solved mechanically, behind closed doors, but it feels to me like I (and a number of others not in the all important village trust circle) have been frozen out of the game. With the mechanical solving through roleclaims taking place in PMs, and the ensuing settled lynches in thread, engaging and even caring about the game has grown harder and harder. There is nothing those of us (village or neutral) can contribute beyond throwing our vote onto a player. To rephrase, and perhaps better articulate myself, it closes the game off to all but a select few. I’m sure those involved are having a great time, but at the expense of everyone else, I think. Perhaps the game has changed in my long absence from this site, but I remember once we made such an effort to keep the games fun for everyone, often above what was strategically optimal, whichever side we were on. I may have lost my train of thought, and certainly have not articulated myself as well as I might have. I can only offer my frustration at the impotence I feel here as an excuse. That all being said, I shall vote for Opal Lion. Opal personally has been a delight to talk to, when we have talked, but I think a closure of PMs and PM groups would reawaken this game. Locke, having spoken, turned away slowly, and with a long sigh, returned to his drink.
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    As much as I find it distasteful, in the interests of accuracy, I'll add that in UK editions, "Honor" is used to refer to the shard. This appears to be a deliberate (if grating) choice. Minor spoilers for WoR:
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    Nor could any of the eight of us on Shadesmar. There is, as far as I can tell, no reason to assign greater suspicion to Axolotl than any of the rest of us. Moderately strong village read on Onyx for this misconception, however.
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    Gecko's death seems like an inevitability, so I suggest we at least try to do something productive with the cycle. Magenta Albatross: My response to them last night cycle: For now, in the interests of stimulating discussion, Magenta Albatross.
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