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  1. Wit Beyond Measure
    That's the intended implication, in my opinion, but the phrasing lends itself to various interpretations - also deliberate. And so whether the twins belong to Wit is not certain. Because the wife is not even on speaking terms with Wit, she almost surely would not be one of the twins Wit believes to be willing to come to his rescue. I love the Shae and Kaise and Daorn theories! I'm not at all sure they're correct, but they seem the most plausible so far.
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    Jesus spoke of himself as Light and his disciples, especially after being glorified, as sons of light. Some English translations will render this children of light. Aes Sedai are similar to witches and even called witches, I believe, by the Children of the Light. Witchcraft, sorcery, divination, and mediums have been forbidden in the Bible (Deut. 18:10-11, Ex. 22:18, Micah 5:12, Is. 3:18-23 and 8:19-20, 2 Chron. 33:6-7, 2 Kings 21:6-7, and Nahum 3:4). Such powers have been associated with the worship of Satan (Baal) and the other fallen angels, where little makes God angrier than worshipping the creature, the created being, instead of the Creator. As a Christian, I am not keen on Jordan's portrayal of Christianity, obviously. I will admit that many who call themselves Christian have earned a bad name. But Christ himself embodies perfect love, mercy, and justice. He's a God of vengeance, too, but that vengeance will be justified.
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    My eldest has become the equivalent of a WoT flat-earther. We finished the Rhuidean episode where Rand gets his dragon tattoos, and Anne is still denying that Rand is the Dragon Reborn. She saw Lews Therin as the undisguised same actor as Rand, and still she denies. So funny. What was she hoping for? Mat? Perrin? Egwene? I have no idea. She'll probably be rooting for the false dragon Lanfear creates in the episode she hasn't watched yet. This season is epic! Rewatching with the fam is all joy.
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    Just. So. Kimmalyn! The voice of the car in this video is Quirk, that is, but not all of the features. https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1AXVwWgdj2/
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    I got my shipping notification!! My notice of what I ordered, because it has been so long I'd forgotten, does not include an audiobook for Isles of the Emberdark. Did I just miss that option? I bought the ebook and both the ebook and audio for Dragonsteel Prime. I always buy the audiobooks. I am so confused. Was this just not an option? Thank you! ETA: Oh, I did miss it!!! I likely saw the Prime audiobook and assumed the other was there. And there is no way to add it now. So sad! But perhaps I can get the Audible version. In 6 months...
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    Thank you, both! I missed the Battar references. I seem to lose track of her and most of the other female heralds.
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    Those two are Ash and Taln, heralds, and his previous seven include Windrunner (Kal), Lightweaver (Shallan), Truthwatcher (Renarin), Elsecaller (Jasnah), Skybreaker (Szeth), Edgedancer (Lift), and Bondsmith (Dalinar). Assuming Taln takes Stoneward and either Ash or Shallan moves to Dustbringer, then the only one left is Willshaper, Eshonai/Venli. Venli was there on Thaylen Field with them! Not only that, but these ten make up the ten books. Sanderson has planned a book about each of these ten. Not only that, but we see that Kaladin has already ascended to become the Windrunner herald. Not only that but we learn in this book that the previous heralds did not necessarily keep their original orders but sometimes switched. And Chana seems to have clearly earmarked her daughter as her successor, even though that is clearly not yet fulfilled. Foreshadowing, though, is Sanderson's thing. Not only that, but the ten books each focus on a single character that matches these ten exactly. Ten heralds. Ten orders. Ten books. Ten orders on Thaylen Field. And Sanderson named his kid Dalinar. So while I struggle with thinking that we are going to see another Kelsier-like resurrection, I am also seeing how well Dalinar has been setup with an unfulfilled destiny as a herald, a bondsmith, destined to unite not just Roshar and not just the cosmere but the Shards themselves back into Adonalsium.
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    If you are reading these words, nothing about this scene screams MeLaan except for the tangential fact that we are using hemalurgy and steel inquisitor techniques to create a gem inquisitor. But if you listen to the audiobooks, you will hear Michael Kramer's distinctive MeLaan voice when he says these last lines, as if Odium's assistant in the hemalurgical tranformation of Moash is MeLaan, spy of Harmony sent off-world on a mission where she was last seen in Shadesmar near land with red haired people dressed strangely and presumed to be Horneaters (Lost Metal, Epilogue 6). Now, Kramer has used a voice similar to MeLaan's before. He seems to use that voice for several sultry women, but there is nothing sultry in this singular appearance of this unnamed character in all of the Wind and Truth interlude, her only appearance. Chances are, I am wrong. This is nothing. Merely coincidence. Nothing to see here. But if I am right, then Sazed has a spy in Odium's camp. Thoughts?
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    Ah, yes, your hidden quote confirms the theory I have held for a long, long time. I would give Aharietiem or at least a partial shattering like the Shattered Plains a 50% chance of happening in Book 5. Now that I have seen this quote, that edges things up a notch, especially for a full-blown Aharietiem. They keep talking about the Tranquiline Halls and going back to Ashyn. I'm thinking that could be the 2nd half of the story. That and traveling Shadesmar and the cosmere.
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    Yeah, I think there is a good chance. All of Renarin's vision pains in Chapter 30 seem to be the same moment, in my opinion, and a moment where the storms are coming, where Dalinar stands on a platform looking over the void below, the never-ending pit, and Mishram screaming to break it all. I have been obsessing over these panes, but I love that kind of foreshadowing!
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    Is polygamy a thing in Kharbranth? If so, a Kharbranthian could make a killing by selling marriages. That, or they are the true Voidbringers. We know from Elia Stele that humans are the true Voidbringers, along with their god Odium. And surely the surge of division especially from the Dustbringers will bring the Void. Renarin saw it with Rlain in his panes of glass, after all, and so I think we will be getting a Dustbringer shattering like what they did to the Shattered Plains in this book, at the end, if not a complete Aharietiem (where the last five books would then take us to Ashyn, taking back the Tranqueline Halls, if Aharietiem happens now). We are not the ones who shattered these plains (lose quote form the Listener Song of Listening). Mishram sounds like she's ready to get the Dustbringers to break it all.
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    Actually, I thought that Renarin would make an amazing champion for Dalinar since he can see futures but Odium cannot see him - the only one Odium cannot see.
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    Jasnah might know that Szeth is on his Skybreaker mission and that Kal is accompanying him to help with his sanity and help Ishar, but his real mission is chasing the Wind, as the Wind has told him. Does Jasnah know about that mission, their mission to chase and find the Wind and be her champions? Because that is the mission referenced in TKoWaT, in my opinion. That is, after all, the focus of the epigraphs.
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    I love tinfoil theories. I would counter this one, though, with the fact that the speaker sounds extraordinarily rational, unusually so, which to me precludes the Fused, the Heralds, and the Unmade. My best guesses include Sigzil, Rlain, or Renarin, who are all quite rational and logical, fitting the voice. I do not know that the Siah Aimians were watching any of these three from their youth, though! And that is what that first epigraph implies. I do think the author will be a Knight (Radiant) of Wind or Truth (Windrunner, Skybreaker, Truthwatcher, or Lightweaver). And this is the story not just of Kaladin and Szeth (the Knights of Wind) but also of Shallan, Renarin, and Rlain (the Knights of Truth). Szeth and Kal have been precluded as the authors since the author uses 3rd person for them and says he wasn't on their journey, Day 1. I suspect that one of Days 3 through 10 will contain more epigraphs from the Knights of Wind and Truth telling the journey of the Knights of Truth. Perhaps then we will be able to better discern the author. Would any of these three aptly be described as historian and philosopher? Or is this written not be a Knight of Wind and Truth but a veristatallian: Jasnah? (99% chance I misspelled that.)
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    On my reread, I noticed this gem, hidden in Adolin's stabbing scene with Sadeas. And so I wonder what the mythology of the minklike creature is, of course, and I am certain that will tell us so much about the Herdazean general. I have a strong suspicion that Rosharan mink mythology is exactly like the mythology I found in the quotes below. Does that sound like our guy or what? And the symbol of transformation could be extrapolated in fantasy as a shapeshifter, I am thinking. But that is a guess, of course. That makes me want to look more closely at the other references to minks in Stormlight... And the top of my RAFO-card questions will be, what exactly do these children's stories about mink mythologies entail, specifically regarding any and all supernatural abilities?
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    We have two tickets for Saturday at 5 PM that we would like to cancel so that we can go to the two primary Robin Hobb events that conflict with these times. How should we do that? And how do we get tickets for the Storytime with Sel and the Sanderson signing? That's probably already gone, but we couldn't find it an hour ago when we first started looking. Thank you!
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    I wholeheartedly agree and have always agreed with that statement. The Coppermind says, "Since the listeners recall this story about throwing off the Fused," citing WoR I-4, where WoR never says "Fused" but instead talks of abandoning the forms their gods gave them. BAM and the Unmade are their gods, as Venli confirms, and so WoR I-4 could easily have been talking about the False Desolation, as Ulim tells Venli. So, yes, "gods" could mean Fused or could mean the Unmade or Odium. The premise on which the Coppermind concludes that the listeners became listeners before the False Desolation is unproven to me until I see a direct quote from WoR that proves the Coppermind's premise to be true, that the Last Legion threw off the Fused when becoming listeners.
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    Thanks! I couldn't find the quote you were speaking of, and it may just be that I was searching on the wrong word, "Unmade," to find the quote, but I did find a Venli quote saying much the same thing.
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    Thank you!
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    Yes, I'd already forgotten when Wayne started investing, and it was much further back than I realized. He's had his "lucky hat" since before Alloy of Law, so perhaps Wayne has always had a bit of Fortune. We only really saw the payoff in LM, though. While I don't think anyone believes Harmony to be a 17th Shard, that would be a 17th godmetal, so I misspoke. Even so, I don't think Wayne's 17 is pointing toward Harmony. If it were, others would be saying 17 and not just Wayne. Marasi tells Wayne he's wrong, even, and everything in Era 2 is still essentially base 16. In fact, I don't think anything was base 16 until Era 2. Era 1 was all base 10 just like our standardized system of counting. So no, I don't believe that Harmony is the 17th. Yes, I definitely agree that the Shattering created 16 Shards, which is why Era 2 finally discovers all 16 and starts counting in base 16. Wayne's use of 17 seems prophetic because it hasn't happened yet, a new Shard being created like the group and this forum's namesake strive to create, a 17th Shard. Oh, I had forgotten that quote! You are correct that Sazed didn't realize Wayne was the key until the end, and so Sazed almost surely did not deliberately give Wayne the Fortune. And yet, I still think that Wayne was the epitome of Fortune in LM especially, and I don't believe that to be coincidence. Here's a WoB that references Stormlight and explains how Fortune works in another character without the user knowing exactly the details but only what he needs to do and where he needs to be. So perhaps Sazed was doing things with Wax because Wayne always tags along, only Sazed didn't realize until later that the reason he sent Wax was to get Wayne there. I could be wrong, of course, but that seems to be how Fortune works. There are a ton of these about this particular non-Wayne character marked #fortune if you want to search, assuming you're up to date on the cosmere.
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    From the Coppermind's article on Fortune: Coincidences like making a series of investments that appear to be ridiculously fortunate and like pulling off the impossible with his bendalloy at the end of LM. With Fortune, Wayne could literally see the future without realizing it, which is why he made such great investments. Hoid trades his precious harmonica to Wayne for a rat. Are there other fortunes Wayne received? I'm dying to do an Era 2 re-read, now! My favorite thing was something I had noticed after my first read as sounding particularly prophetic, but that was before I realized that Sazed had essentially granted Wayne the gift of prophecy in LM by giving him so much Fortune. Wayne prophetically uses 17 or 17th a total of four times in this book alone, even though Marasi corrects him and says, dude, it's like supposed to be sixteen! Something is absolutely up with that. I cannot help but think we have a 17th Shard confirmed, and that Shard will mean a 17th godmetal. I'm not sure that's the case, but something is definitely up with seventeen. Here are the four quotes and my thoughts on them at the time... https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/123106-wayne-his-17th-metal-17th-shard/
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    Thank you! I looked up the source that the Coppermind quoted, and it was I-4 from WoR. WoR does not contain the word "Fused" in the entire book. This interlude does speak of the Last Legion attempting to escape their gods, yes. It seems that the Coppermind has assumed that gods = Fused, which is not an unreasonable assumption, but I think that their own definition is broader than that. I believe that the listeners would include Odium and BAM in their definition of gods, as granters of forms of power: This paired with Ulim's quote that BAM originally Connected with "all singers" on Roshar makes me believe that the Last Legion abandoned their forms during the False Desolation. Assuming Ulim is being honest and accurate, all singers Connected to BAM during the False Desolation, including all listeners, which means that the listeners must have still had their forms at the beginning of the False Desolation. As to your Mistborn spoiler: Thank you for the hope that the gemstones may not be necessary! The aluminum is the more necessary part, I believe, and perhaps the only necessary part for the travel itself. Singers are still Connected to BAM even though they have gemhearts, so the gemhearts if necessary would not be enough to completely negate Connection on their own, without aluminum. I joke about stuffing Thaidakar in a box, but he could have an entire spaceship or at least a room in a spaceship (like Azure's room) lined completely with aluminum. If a cognitive shadow can negate previous world Connections by establishing a new world Connection, any source of world Connection would do. But something tells me that Thaidakar has a stronger Connection that is not so easily negated, and perhaps that's why it is harder for him to off-world than all the others in Thaidakar's world who are already off-worlding. I mean, the Ghostbloods might as well be called Worldhoppers 'R Us.
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    This is in the digital version at the very end of Chapter 4, and it might not be a typo. I could just not be understanding the use of the word "saw," here.
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    Thank you! My understanding of worldhopping and travel is far from complete, for sure. There are holes in my understanding, but I love taking educated guesses and then tweaking as we learn more information. I'm definitely not fully there, but I hope I'm moving along the right path. Watching a WoB Shardcast just now, they mentioned two WoBs that appear to confirm the usefulness of BAM-like abilities (Bondsmith spren abilities) when it comes to travel off-world:
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    I believe the Arnist method specifically refers to using larger gemstones to suck out the light from the smaller gemstone prison, but other methods like the Thaylen tuning fork and Odium's use of Raysium metal both still suck in Stormlight to capture the spren. Dalinar does specifically mention that the Thrill isn't smart enough to be afraid of him, so the Thrill may not have needed to be sucked and suckered in as smarter Unmade, like the Midnight Mother or BAM, would have. The Bondsmith's bond with the Thrill played an essential role in his capture, yes, and that's surely at least part of what Melishi did with BAM, as well. They are Bondsmiths for a reason.
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