Cenanin

Known personal opinions on matters like these make me think it would be highly, highly unlikely. It's /art territory imo.

I personally don't think there is any evidence to support that Timbre is the same spren that was by Eshonai's corpse. People say it is for sure, but I think Timbre is unreliable as a source of information, and Timbre doesn't actually speak once. Venli might not be interpreting Timbre right. A lot of people think there is no evidence for Timbre as Eshonai, but I think there's tons and tons of it for Timbre at least being related to a parshendi "spirit" that resides in their gemhearts, they "hear" the rhythms, and Eshonai heard screaming deep down(because her spirit was screaming from the voidspren occupying the house with them). I think this type of spren comes from the parshendi soul inhabiting their gemheart. I don't think it's their conscious or even their memory but what resides in the parshendi gemheart. I mean, it communicates by attuning rhythms not by speaking like all of the other spren we've seen on screen. People say there was a comet like blue spren following Eshonai around in WoR, but I can't find a single sentence besides red lightning like spren that she sees in the storm. Brandon loves to use unreliable narration and outright deception from characters. I also think it's a completely brand new spren type and not related to an existing order of KR. Supposedly voidspren never bonded humans before this, but just look at Renarin. Everything about the past we've been told cannot be held to the new everstorm desolation. It's brand new territory. Even Jasnah acknowledges that, she even says something to the effect of "everything I learned from the Highspren is no longer accurate", to Wit. I'd really, really love to know what Wit told Jasnah, I think we're being lied to about the Recreance, and pretty much everything else. Basically most of what we know from the history can be thrown out the window IMHO.

Picking a side. He's gotta choose. Just like Szeth who is kinda "anti-Kaladin." Those were his huge hang ups in Oathbringer. In part 1 with the parshmen, in the palace, and after seeing a vision of Dalinar become Odium's champion. He can't choose, but Dalinar saved himself. "I will protect for Dalinar Kholin" "I will lead for Dalinar Kholin" If he had sworn that and then Dalinar picked Odium, Kaladin would have been majorly screwed. He thought Dalinar was about to fall and he "can't lose him....Almighty, I can't save him."

Has to be about choosing a side. He thinks Dalinars fall is immediate and inevitable and if he picks a side he's gonna have to kill Dalinar. "I will lead for Dalinar Kholin" Is my guess.

You know what, I think that's really important. What we know about fabrials and the shardblades couldn't be summoned until someone added gemstones later on, perhaps spren would come back but when they added gemstones it trapped the spren and they can't regenerate. Maybe the shards disappeared until gems were added. The more I think about it, the more I realize there are a ton of clues that the spren didn't "die."

Shards can also be things like rods, bows, hammers, forks, whatever. Maybe a lot were thrown away as useless. We only see swords, but we know they can be whatever.

Maybe some were lost, but the Feverstone keep scene seems to indicate that this was just one scene of the Recreance happening all over Roshar thousands and thousands were dropped. The warlords would risk everything to claim a lost shard from a plateau run, and this world has been in mostly a medieval type state for 4500 years. The honorblades are all accounted for, and the Shin use them. Not all the spren died is my bet, Syl's Radiant supposedly died and didn't break their Oath, but I'm betting they(her KR) did and she doesn't remember. The damage done to them was dependent on the Ideal their Radiant was up to, and the Spren are also returning from "slumber" but don't remember and the rest of the Spren don't want it to happen again so they lie so that humans will be reluctant when seeking Spren out. Consider Syl. She gets considerably more conscious and self-aware the more Oaths Kaladin swears. She's basically a special girl wind spren when Kaladin meets her. Why would Oaths strengthen her? Because the broken Oaths weakened her to near death, Kaladin almost does it to her again in WoR but then says the words and viola shes back. That, I think is a huge clue we are being lied to about the Recreance "die off." There's a lot of clues now that I think about it. Keep this in mind also. The Reacher captain keeps his father locked up to stop him from "wandering off", if the deadeyes are really dead and gone, why would it matter? I bet when Adolin starts swearing Oaths his blade will revive.

I think it's Odium's body. Which are probably dawnshards. Probably why he's locked on Roshar. He can't get to his body without permission which has something to do with the Aimians(Arclo) for example says they were great pals of the Radiants. Like the Atium.

Maybe the spren are lying. Maybe some / most didn't die. The spren leaders decide to lie to not bond humanity because so many were killed/maimed. Maybe most if not all lived depending on the level of Ideal their Radiant was on or "woke" up later and the shardblade disappeared. The remaining shards are from the highest level Radiants at the time of the recreance and those spren are 99% dead. The rest survived. I think that would have to be what happened. The spren absolutely loathe even the thought of bonding humans. It would be like gay marriage to Americans 50 years ago. So they lie and simply say you killed most of us. One so spren wouldn't be keen on bonding humans and two humans would think twice. Perhaps they're "mostly deadeyes" locked up in a highspren (we haven't seen the highspren or leader spren yet) dungeon in Shadesmar, maybe even most of the spren think they all died but are just running into walls mumbling sad things about their Radiants and being betrayed.

So I dunno I was just thinking about it because it's been bothering me. It was a really nice curveball from Brandon, because we all kind of assumed he was going to say it. Then he didn't. I think we have enough information on screen to eek out the fourth ideal. I don't think it's about protecting. I think it's about killing. "I can't lose him, but.....oh, Almighty...I can't save him." "I will kill the ones that......" or "I will kill those who endanger humanity" or even like Szeth "I will lead for Dalinar Kholin" - If he said that and he is sure Dalinar is about to turn the dial up to evil 11, he just can't do it. He couldn't say the words because he knew if he did he would presumably have to kill Dalinar, and he couldn't do it. In part one Kaladin and Syl have a conversation about morality and who is right and who is wrong. The Fourth Ideal I believe for windrunners has to do with choosing a side. Just like Szeth's third ideal. Kaladin can't choose. Just like the windrunner crystal. They first 3 ideals have to do with protecting, and they have to know all the parshendi aren't bad.

When they broke their oaths the spren died and became shardblades. I don't think they summoned their blades. I think they killed their spren at that moment.

Adolin couldn't summon his blade in Shadesmar. I don't believe the "blade" part can exist outside the physical realm. So any deadeyes that had been a shardblade would always have to appear as a shardblade in the physical realm.

If you're team Odium. If you're team Honor you want him to succeed. I'm pretty convinced the Ghostbloods are good guys at this point. The reason I think they tried to kill Jasnah is because they feared her re-breaking the KR. Mraize told Shallash where to find Talenal.

Okay, but there's nothing to indicate Nohadon was a radiant. The vision Dalinar has of Nohadon speaking directly to him is probably not Nohadon.

Ya, the KR weren't around for the first desolation for sure. Probably not for awhile. But it does say they destroyed their world with surgebindings. Voidspren?

There's a huge hint in the talk he has with Syl after leaving the parshmen and getting chased by Fused in Part 1 that people aren't thinking about. I think it has to do with him choosing who to protect and what is right. Sort of like Szeth choosing to fight for humanity.

I don't get it.

I could have done with zero Perrin. Probably the most useless character in all of fantasy. Him and his wife were worse than the Egwene/Nynaeve chapters.

The KR were not around when the Oathpact was made. The Heralds would come back and teach humans how to survive the Desolations WITHOUT surgebinding. One time the Heralds came back and humans had learned to surgebind. The Spren had imitated what Honor had done in creating the Honorblades for the Heralds. The Desolations, Oathpact, and Heralds are not directly related to the KR. Only indirectly.

The KR are not just for the Desolations. The Desolations were happening before spren started bonding humans. That was the reason for the Heralds. They would teach humanity to fight the parshendi, but then one Desolation humans had discovered surgebinding. The KR were active during the times between Desolations. I believe the KR/Surgebinding are all completely independent of the Oathpact and the Desolations completely.

Why would Nohadon have anything to do with Odium? Was he even present during a desolation? Was he even a radiant? The final vision could not have been actually Nohadon, it was "something" appearing to Dalinar as Nohadon.

Why does it say in Oathbringer that the original voidbringer planet was Braize, but we have a WoB saying it's Ashyn?

Odium is however still trapped and Honor has been dead for at least 2,000 years. Probably more like 2,400 years. Odium straight up tells Dalinar only a bondsmith can free him.

So are we to take that we cannot trust Ishar either? Shallash in her inner monologue says that Ishar is the only one that has not gone insane.

I swear I read in Oathbringer that the voidbringers(humans) were from Braize.