lil_literalist

Well so far, it seems like you and I are in agreement. And doing the research is no problem, as long as I have access to the text.

He said move along!

We don't know for certain that the man named Midius is the man known as Hoid in the other books. But at this point, it's usually taken as a given. Brandon has not confirmed it and the story is not official canon, but it just makes too much sense for it to be otherwise. Also, I believe it has been confirmed that Hoid cannot travel backward in time.

Actually, I came across this interesting interview. IIRC, the man that Kaladin saved spoke perfect Alethi, with no trace of an accent. And he was dark-skinned. And darkeyed. Sound familiar? Those characteristics happen to be shared by another character: Talenel'Elin, Herald of the Almighty. So now I've gone from thinking that this random character is a worldhopper to thinking that he's a Herald. Besides, I believe that the other worldhoppers have accents, just ones that were unplaceable. The Heralds have no accent.

Oh, really? And in how many of those relationships were both the guy and the girl completely normal, unassuming citizens? None. Elantris: Prince and Princess (both protagonists) Warbreaker: Princess (protagonist) and God-king Mistborn: Mistborn (protagonist) and heir to most powerful house (most powerful person of his age) Way of Kings: It's not over yet. In fact, it's barely just begun. When the next book comes out, I guess we'll see if there's more than meets the eye or not.

I am not dissatisfied that I read the above post with HK-47's voice in my mind. Though you could have used a few more "organic meatbags."

Well, I'm taking a shot in the dark here, but there's an interesting man in WoK that might be a worldhopper. I don't have my notes or book handy, but he's a dark-skinned bridgeman from another bridge crew who Kaladin assumes to be a foreigner at first, except that he speaks Alethi with no accent. He also seems grateful that Kaladin is helping him, which is a different attitude than most of the others seem to have. I believe that is Chapter 53.

There's definitely evidence for it. I believe that in her brief flashback of her father's dead body, she's mentioned as holding a blade that is sharp enough to cut rock. Also, there are other references as well, such as thinking about what she could have done when the muggers attacked her and Jasnah. If you pay attention, you can probably pick out more details. However, if you feel strongly about it and want to make a topic about it, go for it.

"Odium is not native to Roshar." [Citation]

If you build a permanent bridge too far out, the Parshendi will destroy it.

I could have sworn that I had commented before, but this really makes sense.

A well-put statement of your viewpoint, which I have labeled the mass-dependent theory. I'll admit that becoming heavier to provide a stronger push does make sense, but not the other way around. Was makes himself lighter to push off of three things that I've mentioned: 1. A lamp post (the lamp was a good anchor—lots of metal, firmly attached to the ground). 2. The Ironspine building (those enormous girders) 3. Some floor nails and a broken harp. Number 3 is debatable, but you cannot seriously believe that the first two are weak anchors that would move around with too much force. Why, earlier, he's pushing off of those very same lamp posts with ease, not concerned at all about how they're holding up. And as for the second one... It's a REDACTED skyscraper! I want you to take a step back from the picture and reexamine all of the evidence. Don't go with what you feel, but actually look at what has been presented. Form an educated decision based on what you see. If you still believe that you are right, then tell me why. It is one thing to defend your viewpoint, but another thing altogether to prove it. Thus far, I haven't seen a single shred of proof. Eric, sorry that it's taken me so long to get to this. Your physics is wonky. Also, it's more complicated because the forces that we're talking about aren't constant. Remember, the farther away you get from your anchor, the lesser the force.

So some of you have just been arguing without knowing what we've been arguing about? This goes back to the first few posts, when people were posting equations of what they thought the force exerted by a steelpush was. Many people thought that the force was directly related to the mass of the allomancer (meaning that the heavier the allomancer was, the more force would be behind his pushes). I will now attempt to classify the two theories on this. Most of the discussion has been about the force between an allomancer and whatever he is pushing or pulling on, so that is what the theories will attempt to explain. If you don't have a good background in physics, just be sure to familiarize yourself with Newton's 2nd and 3rd laws of motion (F=ma and equal-and-opposite-reaction, respectively). The first theory put forth is the "Mass-dependent" theory. This argues that an allomancer's pushes and pulls become stronger when the allomancer has more mass and less when the allomancer has no mass. If a coinshot was lying down and shot a coin up into the sky, the coin would go higher than it would if it were shot by an allomancer that was half his weight. On the other hand, those same two allomancers launching themselves upwards off of a coin anchored on the ground would experience similar forces on their bodies. The second theory is the "Mass unrelated" theory. This argues that although an allomancer's mass affects the acceleration of the allomancer's body due to pushes or pulls, it does not affect the actual force between the allomancer and a metal object. If two coinshots of different masses were lying on the ground and both shot a coin up into the air, the coins would peak at roughly the same height. On the other hand, if those allomancers launched themselves into the air off of an anchor on the ground, the lighter allomancer wold have a higher acceleration and would have a higher peak than the heavier allomancer. There is also another theory, which I will call the "Heavier burn rate" theory. It claims that allmoancers get the same amount of power from the same amount of metal, regardless of weight. However, allomancers who weigh more are able to burn metals at a quicker rate than lighter allomancers. This means that although mass is not directly responsible for differences in strength between allomancers, the effects are similar to those of the first theory.

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Preservation fuels Allomancy through the process of burning metals. Anything that you achieve by burning the metal would come from Preservation. I doubt that Preservation would be able--or willing--to give power to another Shard's magic system. Trying to enhance Breaths through Allomancy would be like trying to use a Walmart gift card at Target.

Ok, so I've gone through the sample chapters online and found this: (Still at reduced weight) Reducing his weight to ascend the Ironspine building supports the theory that the strength of a push does not depend upon mass. Otherwise, it wouldn't have mattered whether he was weightless or not. The part about the chandeliers does seem to imply that weight matters when pushing, but it seems to be talking about increasing his weight so as not to change his trajectory. The last quote also supports this line of thinking, since he increases his weight to give Wayne a shove (without doing the same to himself) and then decreases his weight so he can move quicker with his own push.

I can't believe that we didn't bring Wax into this discussion before this. I mean, this is the guy that would know whether or not weight affected the strength of steelpushes. I'd have to go back and look for specific instances of him changing his weight while pushing. I do recall him increasing his weight while pushing on the chandeliers, but that was only so that his flight trajectory wouldn't get thrown off. Also, when he climbed the Ironspine building, he decreased his weight. If doing so gave him less pushing power, he sure didn't mention it. Come to think of it, he doesn't mention that sort of thing at all during the book. The only use he seems to have for increasing his weight while pushing is when he wants to make other things move instead of himself. Of course, it's been a few weeks since I've read it, and I wasn't paying close attention to such things. Anyone have a book handy who wants to do a little searching?

I would guess that even though soulcasting is a mysterious process, the act of doing so without a soulcasting fabrial is practically unheard of. We don't hear any indications from any ardents that they know of the possibility. Now this begs the question, How is Jasnah able to do so? I would guess that this is the KR powers coming back, with Jasnah being one of the first people in whom it manifests.

Well, this is an interesting theory. Ultimately, though, I'd say that it's too early to tell. But really, the only thing that assassinating Gavilar accomplishes is to create war with the Parshendi. Gavilar and Dalinar are too similar for the purpose to simply be the replacement of one for the other.

In that case, why would the landmasses and the oceans be mirrored? Now, I do like this way of thinking, and I believe that Brandon did say that Hoid was adept at manipulating Shadesmar. But we see that it is possible for more than one person to be there at the same time. Does that mean that they would experience different things if they imagined different landforms? Also, what would be the use in giving us a map to Shadesmar if it could change depending on how it was perceived?

However, Awakened metal would be Invested (or so I would think), which is different from merely holding a Feruchemical charge. Simply because Allomancers can pull on metals that Feruchemists use as metalminds (which they can) does not mean that Allomancers can pull on metals that have Investiture (which they can't).

Not necessarily. The land could simply be a bunch of beads stuck together. Either way, we know that there is land in Shadesmar, although Shallan and Jasnah were in the ocean.EDIT: Ninja'd

It should be clear that the map of Shadesmar and the map of Roshar have the same features, except that the land and water have switched places. Now, we know that the Physical, the Cognitive, and the Spiritual realms exist throughout the whole cosmere (or on shard worlds, at the very least). So why do the two maps look alike? It is because each world has its own version of Shadesmar that mirrors that world. This is further supported by the fact that Roshar's Shadesmar is comprised of glass beads, like the ones they use for money. It stands to reason that this is unique to this world, so other worlds must have a different form for their Cognitive Realm. Furthermore, we know that Hoid uses Shadesmar to travel between worlds[Interview]. Now, since we know that there is a Shadesmar equivalent of each world, we know that Hoid has to go from one Cognitive Realm to another. This makes for two possibilities. The first is that Hoid goes directly from Cognitive Realm to Cognitive Realm. This might be possible by going to a Nexus or an Expanse. The second possibility is that Hoid merely passes through Shadesmar to get to the Spiritual Realm (probably also requiring travel to a Nexus or an Expanse), which is where his world-hopping would actually take place. So how does one travel about in Shadesmar? you ask. All we've seen is an ocean of beads. This is true. However, I claim that this is because of how one travels to Shadesmar. When you are brought to the Cognitive Realm, you are placed in the spot that corresponds to your location in the Physical Realm. Because Shallan and Jasnah were on dry land, they landed in the ocean of the Cognitive Realm. On the other hand, if they were to take a ship to the Shattered Plains and travel to Shadesmar while they were en route, they would find themselves placed on land. To sum up: 1. Shadesmar is a mirror of the Physical Realm, in terms of "water" and land. 2. Each world has its own version of the Cognitive Realm 3. When you travel to Shadesmar, you are placed according to your location in the Physical Realm. 4. Travel to a Nexus or an Expanse makes it possible to travel to the Spiritual Realm or to the Cognitive Realms of other planets.

Before you ask what would happen if you were to burn the metal, you should first consider whether the metal can be burned at all. I'm not an expert on spirit web and Awakened stuff, so I'll just let someone else try to C/D this.

Is this your first time reading through the book? Also, you seem to be dead on regarding Szeth. I have a few more reservations regarding the voices speaking to Dalinar, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's what was going on.