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Thanks! Make sure to ask him about investacugon too, she'll need that to access any stormlight stored by the action of investulin. I would really love to get a WoB on the subject honestly. I do however foresee a dark cloud hanging above the question, that if you look at in just the right way appears to spell out the letters RAFO.

I don't think it holds anything that specifically binds Odium, I think there is a simpler explanation for Odiums binding. Now, we know the oathpact does not specifically bind Odium, but it is involved. We also know that the oathpact binds the voidspren to Braize. I think it works like this. Odium must divest himself in order to leave the Roshar system. Odium has invested the voidspren. The voidspren are bound, preventing Odium from divesting. Odium can't really divest during a desolation when the voidspren are unbound because it would basically end the desolation and lead to them immediately being bound again, and consequently his being bound. He has to kill the heralds and end the oathpact in order to divest and move on. I agree with the idea that it is likely the dawnshards. I think the "one of them will destroy us" could be a foreshadowing of one of the characters taking up the dawnshards. Prophesies are made to be broken, there is no point to them if the events they predict are inevitable, but I do think we'll see one of our main characters in a circumstance where they can acquire and use the dawnshards.

The Myers-Briggs type indicator is also quite dated. The five-factor personality model is more comprehensive and has a greater level of acceptance of its validity. You can read about them here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits I personally don't put a lot of stock in that type of personality grouping or childhood attachment though in treating people. I like the approach of Ellis and Beck in treating people, where if it isn't immediately relevant to the problems a person is facing, it just isn't discussed. It's quite a significant departure from psychodynamic approaches which seek to uncover the past issues that have been repressed and find acceptance with those. In the cognitive therapies of Ellis and Beck a therapist works with the client to uncover the faulty assumptions that lead to irrational (Ellis) or dysfunctional (Beck) cognitions. So what you have in psychoanalytic methods is a lot of exploration of the past and the unconscious, with the goal of bringing the unconscious events affecting a person into the conscious in a way that is tolerable, and behaviour and cognition being modified as a function of acceptance and understanding of the issue. In the cognitive methods, the past events are skipped, because while they are relevant to the creation of a faulty assumption, they are not relevant to correcting the faulty assumption. New information is processed through the lens of our schema, which is made up of our cognitions, emotions, motivations and behaviours. Each of those is based on assumptions that we develop through experience. When a faulty assumption is introduced to that lens through which we interpret new information, it creates a cognitive vulnerability, which in turn causes a cognitive shift in the information processed by it. Cognitive therapists use Socratic dialogue and collaborative empiricism to help a client come to the realisation that the assumptions are faulty, and subsequently develop more accurate assumptions to correct the cognitive vulnerability. I think childhood attachment has implications on the aetiology of mental disorders, but is largely unhelpful in the treatment of them. There can be a tendency for people to arrive at the conclusion that their disorder is inevitable because of unalterable events at a very young age which they have no ability to influence. First and foremost to facilitating change, is getting acceptance that the situation can be changed. There are similar issues with personality grouping, people have a tendency to say "I'm like this because of my personality group" which implies a certain permanence that isn't evident in individual who are open to changing.

It would be a mistake to conflate OSDD to DID so specifically. OSDD is a catch-all for dissociative conditions that don't meet all the criteria for DID. Shallan certainly doesn't have DID, because she consciously chooses her alts, and is fully cognisant of them at all times. DID is an unconscious response to trauma, while Shallan consciously chose it for herself, in what could be described as self-brainwashing. Her exact condition is a close fit to what has in the past been referred to as OSDD-1b which you can read about here: http://did-research.org/comorbid/dd/osdd_udd/did_osdd.html

@Ookla the Heraldic I think that's the conclusion we're all coming to now. BS has obviously put a lot of thought into Lift and how her ability to access stormlight works, and I just can't see him having the gaping flaw in the system that her not being able to store stormlight in a reserve would cause. There just isn't any practical way to use stormlight if it leaks faster than you can access it, so she has to have some form of stormlight storage that exceeds that of others. I guess any doubt would be over whether she stores it as glucose and converts that to stormlight, or if her nature being partly in the cognitive makes her able to hold stormlight more perfectly than others.

I can definitely be creative, I just can't do it in visual media. I have a great deal of difficulty visualising things mentally, which is an important step in creating visual media. I really can't close my eyes and picture anything more complex than a ball of light, and even that is intermittent. I also suffer from racing thoughts, which doesn't help.

Okay, so I'm a bit fuzzy at the moment from my night meds, but I took a look at the wikipedia article for humanistic psychology and it's pretty a pretty good overview of the subject for beginners. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanistic_psychology I'm quoting this because it reminded me of a thought I had when @Kingsdaughter613 mentioned cognitive art therapy in the other thread. I don't know how accurate this is because I suffer from one can only be described as the art equivalent of wernickes aphasia, but what immediately sprang to mind was computer aided drawing. Cognitive psychology likes to view the mind as a computer, so integrating that with art makes that leap in my mind. Is there any accuracy to that @Kingsdaughter613?

I made a new thread where we can discuss psychology as it relates to SA.

I'm starting this thread because a few threads have gotten a bit off topic with some of the psychology discussion that sprouts from the threads topic. Most recently with discussion between myself and @Kingsdaughter613 and @PhineasGage so I'd invite you to continue that discussion, or other discussions of any and all psychology related to The Stormlight Archive so that we can digress without taking the threads further off-topic. Anyway, I am happy to continue that discussion, but another thought occurred to me in the shower (it is a psychological fact that all the best thinking takes place in this location) so I'm going to throw this one out there too. I would like to discuss Taravangian. Now, I imagine that anyone familiar with the basics of psychology will immediately leap to the assumption that his is a perfect example of the information processing as thought emphasised by the cognitive school of thought. I don't think that is the best fit to his overall behaviour though. I think Taravangian is an excellent example of the core tenets of humanistic thought. That human beings are inherently good and self-actualising. Taravangian is inherently good. He is doing his very best to try and save as many people as he can, and he goes through mental anguish at the pain and suffering he believes he has to inflict in order to achieve that. His entire approach embodies self-actualising, he is trying to improve himself and his circumstances to maximise his ability to achieve his goal of saving humanity. Maslow would be very proud of him, in a somewhat horrified manner.

He probably thought it quite appropriate, as Kaladin's "expression like stone" reminds him of all his other children .

Well, we only know it's consistent because they all said it the same way, because they were told to say it that way. It's been made pretty clear generally that the words matter less than the intention, so if Lopen swore it using pancakes as a synonym in place of destination, it would still be the same oath. Not withstanding of course that you are correct in saying it's implied he has previously said the oath anyway. Edit: I think the main learning we can take from Lopen's oath is that he could never, ever have a romantic relationship with Lift. Journey before pancakes? Blasphemy!

I can. What specifically are you interested in? As far as Jung and Freud goes, I wouldn't say all of their work on personality has been replaced with cognitive psychology, psychodynamic does have modern theories of personality that derives from the work of Jung and Freud. It would be accurate to say that very few psychodynamic practitioners adhere strictly to the theories of Freud and Jung because they simply aren't as accurate and relevant as the modern theories they inspired. Jung in particular is quite popular outside the profession of psychology, because the ideas are relatively easily digested and influential, but they are primarily influencing modern theories rather than dictating professional practice. Stress psychology as I noted has strong influences from the cognitive school of thought which is itself influenced by Descartes philosophy. It is important to note though, that while there are some disagreements between schools of thought, most of the main schools of thought (psychodynamic, cognitive, behaviourist, humanist, evolutionary) are complimentary rather that contradictory. Psychodynamic for example focuses on motivation (largely unconscious) as a key factor in personality while cognitive focuses on information processing as a key factor in personality. Neither contradicts the other, as personality includes both motivation and information processing. I don't want to get too off topic, though it can obviously be related back to the situation with Adolin as it already has been, but if we're straying too far feel free to message me and we can discuss it there.

That's an inaccurate interpretation of the diathesis-stress model. In that model a diathesis interacts with a stressor to cause a condition. It's not accurate to say one is the cause and the other is the trigger as that implies a greater contribution of one over the other. In reality there is a great deal of variability in which contributes more, amongst different individuals and conditions. Actually, the personality constructs I am describing are a part of stress psychology which draws extensively on the cognitive school of thought, rather than the psychodynamic school. Like most psychology disciplines it is influenced by all the different schools, including psychodynamic emphasis on the unconscious and evolutionary drives as you describe here. Cognitive psychology however asserts that the unconscious is made up of mental processes that occur largely automatically and are how we structure our thoughts, congitions, behaviours and motivations in schemas. The suggestion that the survivor personality copes well with stress is typical of the cognitive school of thought whereby they employ schema's that have been developed to be more adaptive through the experience gained through reasonable risk taking. I don't doubt it. All people do idiotic and impulsive things some of the time. What typifies the survivor personality is making rational risk taking decisions regularly to develop resources that allow them to cope better when they do make those impulsive decisions. This is what I don't see in Adolin, he doesn't make the rational risk taking decisions to develop resources in this way, and so I don't see him fitting this personality archetype.

There is a documented personality archetype that was developed based on observations of some holocaust survivors that is consistent with what you describe. It's called the survivor personality type and is considered extremely adaptive in coping with stress. People who fall into this archetype typically take reasonable risks frequently, and so with minimal risk to themselves develop extensive coping resources, which allows them to quickly make good decisions with regularity. However, I would argue that Adolin doesn't fall into this archetype at all. The decisions he makes are often ill judged, and the risks he takes not reasonable. He actually copes with stressful encounters quite badly. Which is the heart of what I don't like about him. He pretends to be normal and reasonable, and his actions are actually the opposite in many cases. He's completely impulsive. It's not a case of thinking quickly, he takes a faster option than that - not thinking at all.

Quite right! Here you go. Lecturer, M. Y. (2016). Correct APA referencing. How not to fail an assessment, 1(1), 1-5.

Just delete the poll and go with the advice my lecturers always gave. Explain yourself and cite two supporting references for each point. You should also deduct points from peoples opinions if they fail to adhere to correct APA referencing .

Is there a way to change votes? I previously voted for other and now I can't choose Adolin since he has been added.

I just find his veneer of civility to be indicative of overcompensating for the fact he is a deeply angry and impulsive young man, who has at times even moved into sociopath territory, most notably in his refusal to acknowledge that the murder of Sadeas, however much he might have deserved to die, was wrong. He does not regret the action, which suggests he either does not understand the morality of the issue of arbitrary vigilantism, or simply does not care. To be clear, I don't have an issue with a character being a vigilante, or a sociopath. I have an issue with him pretending not to be. I like Dalinar, old Dalinar, Dalinar the warlord, because as vile as some of his actions were, he was honest about it.

I think your poll is missing perhaps the two most hated characters. Lift and Adolin. Conversely I think they are also perhaps the two most loved characters. They just happen to be very polarising. I don't really hate any of the options provided, they are all deeply flawed characters, but I think that makes them rich. I love lift, and while I'd be reluctant to say I "hate" Adolin, I do dislike him. I think as a character he is fake, and the only honest thing he has done is admit that he doesn't feel bad about killing Sadeas, everything else he does is disingenuous, mostly to himself. I find an interesting contrast between Lift and Adolin. Lift appears so odd, because she's entirely honest about it, and Adolin appears so normal because he's entirely deceitful about it. FYI, not looking to begin any fights here. These are my thoughts on the characters, and should in no way be interpreted as a criticism of anyone elses thoughts on the characters. Many of you will no doubt disagree strongly with me and I respect your right to do so..

This is to my mind the same issue with all the disagreement over whether Adolin is broken or not. Teft's progression isn't shown in detail, nor Adolin's internal monologue because they are supporting cast, not main cast. It's a false equivalency to compare their progression or lack of comparatively with the other characters because we can't be in both their heads and the heads of the main protagonists at the same time without the book getting stupidly long and repetitive. The comments about the path they take being charted beforehand are valid, but I don't think you should interpret that in any way as it being easier for them. They have their own internal struggles but we only see it when it is necessary to advance the plot.

Right, I like the idea, but I can't reconcile the exact mechanism by which stormlight is conserved in it either. Animal material originates as plant material anyway, it just becomes more animal in origin as it moves up the food chain. It seems logical that if plants do conserve stormlight then it would make its way up the food chain. Toxins that accumulate in an organism actually do that, making alpha predators more vulnerable to them as the toxin becomes more concentrated moving up the food chain. Stormlight would obviously be different because it's stored in a medium that is expended by organisms. Although, perhaps all rosharan native ecology has some kind of capacity to do what plants do and store stormlight in fat? They have all developed to use stormlight with gemhearts. Gemhearts aren't perfect gems so it stands to reason there must be some kind of storage medium as well as a gemheart. If the way you hold your own weight up is dependent on stormlight then having it all leak out of your gemheart is a fatal situation. I'm kind of thinking out loud in this post. Sorry, I know it's not very coherent, I did not sleep well. I think the only way we can reconcile this is if we write to Brandon and ask him to write a scene where Lift eats a Parshendi so we can see how awesome that makes her .

It's well thought out. I'm not convinced it's the ideal end game for Odium though. If his goal is to inflame passion and/or hatred then I think what we're more likely to see is both sides fracturing into warring factions. A war between two sides is bad, a war between ten or twenty sides is absolutely devastating. I don't think Odium hates the Parshendi more than the humans, or has any particular love for humans, he wants to mess with them to antagonise his real targets - the shards. Humans are an expendable tool on the way to that outcome.

I think you're overthinking it. Skybreaker Sky + breaker Gravitation - the power to take to the skies. Division - the power of destruction, or to break things. I think it's more likely just a simple amalgam of descriptions of the two surges they command.

Fixed that. Sixth of dusk is set far in the future from the present SA timeline.

He also knows that Dalinar was leading the fight against voidbringers before anyone else even acknowledged their return. Szeth was there at the battle on the shattered plains, so he knows Dalinar had more foresight about it than the others he could have sworn to.