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I don't really think Kaladin has depression as a disorder. He is at times depressed, but those times coincide with episodes of seasonal affective disorder, or with extremely traumatic events that would make anyone depressed without the need for a depressive disorder pathology other than SAD. He behaviour most of the time is inconsistent with a depressive disorder other SAD. Outside of certain episodes of SAD and extreme duress, he does not demonstrate the cognitive triad of depressive symptoms described by Beck, nor the clinical criteria for a diagnosis of major depressive disorder. Most notably he is particularly driven and motivated at these times, which is the opposite of how depression presents. BS does a wonderful job of presenting depression at the times he genuinely is experiencing it, but depression is rarely rapid cycling enough to be accurately portrayed the way Kaladin experiences is. I find it much more plausible that he experiences depression as a consequence of an episode of seasonal affective disorder and occasionally as a normal response to extreme duress which isn't pathological.

Kaladin has a severe case of seasonal affective disorder, which is caused by a lack of exposure to sunlight. He doesn't understand what seasonal affective disorder is, and so he links his confinement to his depression, when in reality it is his being held out of sunlight that is the primary cause of the depression he feels. The same thing can be seen in the weeping, and when he enters shadesmar - no sun, depression.

It's not a case of taking it at face value, it's a case of not immediately dismissing it at face value. The actions demonstrated by Passion/Odium or Odium/Passion or Passion or Odium depending on your own viewpoint can be fitted to all of those names I just gave. Even BS is equivocal about the subject of how a shard holder interprets their intent. He can be seen as both without either option being necessarily incorrect. If Rayse is wrong about his interpretation of his own shards intent, he wouldn't be lying about it, he'd be delusional about it. This WoB seems to suggest that the whole scenario is intended to be ambiguous. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/256-oathbringer-london-signing/#e8685

They are all pvp rewards. They aren't very useful in pve cosmere.

Right, this is typical of cognitive approaches. Any exploration of past events is limited to events relevant to the present issues a client is facing. This is a key difference from psychoanalytic methods which tend to be focused on fixing the founding causes and treating the present difficulties as a secondary condition to the primary past trauma. Cognitive therapists maintain that it isn't necessary to fully explore a past trauma, just enough to identify and correct a cognitive vulnerability. Modern cbt is an evolution of Beck's cognitive therapy, which itself is influenced by Ellis's rational emotive behavioural therapy.

Okay, well, this is my interpretation of it: If the intent is passion, it grants the ability to manipulate emotion by adding or removing passion. This is a neutral power with neither positive or negative connotation. Rayse the shard holder is described variously as being rather hateful, which implies a bias toward negative emotion. Shard holders cannot choose the intent of the shard, but they can direct the intent of the shard akin to channelling the intent through the lens of their own point of view. So the combination of shardic intent and the nature of Rayse as an individual creates an entity with a bias toward creating passion for negative emotion and inhibiting passion for positive emotion. They very act of that behaviour is odious, and so it's not inaccurate to describe him as odium personified.

I don't understand what you're getting at there? Do you mean that because the forms of the rhythms are all associated with negativity that he cannot inflame positivity? That wouldn't prove that to be the case, it would only prove that he doesn't inflame positivity. An absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

It is very difficult apparently @fievelgoespostal but not impossible. I could see Adolin dying (or perhaps I want him to die a little bit *shrug*). It would fit the whole love triangle thing as foreshadowing. Adolin dies, Shallan gets bitter and twisted and falls to the dark side and starts wearing a mask to manage her asthma and Kaladin redeems her. Just guessing on that though. Oh, I can answer this one. I got an advance copy of book 10 (though I was sleeping at the time and when I woke up I couldn't find it again). Anyway, please refer to my signature.

Well, that would be inflaming the negative emotion of jealousy, which isn't a function of love. Plenty of people love people passionately without having unreasonable jealousy. Jealousy is more a function of insecurity. Anyway, my point is, it's kind of convoluted even if you assume a premise where passionate love inevitably causes an equally passionate jealousy. The additional steps involved in the approach simply aren't necessary, and he had no reason to believe his plan as it was devised wouldn't work creating a necessity for a convoluted plan. Inflame love -> inspire jealousy -> inflame jealousy -> make him angry and want to kill things. Inflame battle lust -> make him angry and want to kill things. Basically, he doesn't need to manufacture a negative emotion that already exists, he needs only inflame it.

Well, you could make the argument that inflaming positive emotions doesn't get him to his goals. He wants Dalinar to be his champion, but if he inflames his love for Navani, he basically just turns him into a doe eyed sycophant, which isn't particularly effective. His goal is to create division and conflict, and positive emotions work against that. Having strong passionate love for Navani would serve to make him more reluctant to switch sides. It's all a very roundabout way to manipulate Dalinar, and I think it's pretty clear that Odium's preference to is to toy with the emotions of his targets directly. If we accept that Rayse is a loathsome and vile individual without his intent, then his guidance of the intent of passion would tend toward inflaming the negative and deadening the positive anyway.

I think he must do some side quests since he is a member of a guild, but he obviously focuses on main quests since he hasn't progressed them to become guild master yet.

Well, I'm not really intending to split hairs, because I think it's an important distinction. Odium doesn't create emotion, people have that all by themselves, just not passionate emotion. What Odium does is inflame the emotion introducing passion to the experience of it, or in some cases deaden it, removing passion from it. It serves his interests to inflame negative emotion and deaden positive emotion, but there is no reason he couldn't choose either path. The ultimate outcome of that is Odium - to hate and inspire hatred. FYI, rage (anger) is actually generally held to not be either a negative or positive emotion. Historically it has been very difficult for psychology researchers to classify and advances in neuroscience have only cemented it as being inconsistent with either positive or negative affect.

No, they don't qualify for that in all instances. You're listing emotions, whereas by the very definition you've provided here passion is refers to a state in which an emotion reaches a specified magnitude. You can feel passionate love for a person for example, but you can also feel other kinds of love, and in fact human nature is for passionate love to fade into a far less passionate, but perhaps more enduring emotion. Stating love is a passion is just not semantically correct, love is an emotion which can in some circumstances be passionate.

Those aren't examples of passion, they are examples of emotions that can exist with varying degrees of passion.

Psychodynamic refers to a set of theories about psychology, while psychoanalytic refers to a set of techniques in which the perspective is applied in professional practices. I do get where you're coming from, and you're right that some of it does align with concepts from the humanistic perspective like the ideal self etc. Psychoanalysis is what you see portrayed on TV as the default technique with the couch so the patient is unable to see the reactions of the therapist. Most practitioners feel that this limits the interaction between the therapist and the client, and with the therapeutic alliance being the main determining factor in the efficacy of a therapy, the practice has become less prevalent. In reality most therapists are eclectic or cognitive behavioural, so you're really quite unlikely to see that from a therapist. You'd probably be more likely to see it from a psychiatrist as they apparently like the technique but psychiatrists despite their portrayal as therapists on televisions have far more in common with other medical doctors than they do with psychologists or therapists and psychoanalysis would in most cases only be a small part of what they do.

"Lord Radiant, I understand why we're carting around a wagonload of spheres, that's where you radiants get your powers from, but why are we carting a wagon with a giant loaf of bread in it?" "We baked Lift into the centre of the loaf, by the time she eats her way out she'll be ready to fight."

Jasnah has friends - the people she converses with by spanreed. She expresses genuine affection for them.

Pretty sure some of the pancakes had meat in them. Also pretty sure that Lifts food preference is mostly related to her need for a high carbohydrate diet. Bacon isn't ideal for that when bread and pancakes are readily available.

Yes, that's what I meant by this:

I think you're overthinking it. I think it's more simple than that. A person has to be in the zone of influence of the knight, share the same basic ideals of the knight, perceive the knight as a leader or mentor, and the knight be sufficiently progressed in their oaths.

Come on, that's just silly. Everyone knows High Hrothgar only has one fast travel point, people would have seen him coming and going. Clearly Urithiru is actually Novigrad, and the mountain is metaphorical.

Great quote @StormingTexan That really settles it then, Lift can store stormlight for much longer than other radiants. It would make sense metabolically too. I would see this as not the stormlight leaking, but rather her body simply exhausting the glucose provided by the food and having any to convert it to stormlight as a result. I'd still be interested in the exact mechanism of it, but it does open up a range of possibilities for our characters. Throw the radiants in jail without spheres, Lift has half a day of awesomeness to get out with while the others have nothing beyond the period of time they can hold their breath.

No, no, no. Lift does not get paid in food, she steals food. This is her main ambition in life, to steal peoples food. If people gave it to her freely she would lose all purpose in life, and likely become suicidal, which is problematic because she'd have to stop eating to kill herself, and she really likes eating. Poor Lift.

Well Lift is a special case. She might not normally like bacon, but remember she has the ability to make herself awesome, which certainly implies liking bacon. We shouldn't get too hung up on the permanence of Lift, because she tends to be. Err. How to say this without offending her? Mercurial?

The problem with the shard bow and arrows idea is that we have no evidence that a spren can split themselves in two. With a bow and arrow, the bow needs to be special in order for it to have power and accuracy, while the arrow needs to be special in order to have the penetration and effect of a shard weapon. So, in all likelihood he would need two spren to achieve it. However, we do have some suggestion that shardplate is formed of lesser radiant spren. I wonder if there is a possibility of a higher radiant spren forming the weapon, and a lesser radiant spren forming the ammunition?