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11 minutes ago, viengua said:

The post-Stormlight exhaustion makes me think that the negation of sore muscles has a significant psychological component. A lot of athleticism is about how far you believe you can push yourself, and Stormlight can let you push yourself that way. If the Stormlight eliminated lactic acid, I'm not sure the tiredness would kick in the way it does, though I may be wrong.

I would also argue that those notions of what constitutes damage and toxins aren't those used as the threshold for Stormlight healing, as a certain Reshi dustbringer demonstrates.

I doubt it's psychological. Lactic acid has nothing to do with tiredness. It rarely hurts immediately, it's more of a "the next day" kind of thing. I'd relate the tiredness more to a sugar crash. Your body had a bunch of energy. Now it's gone and you feel extra tired. It's a natural response to any kind of stimulant affect(and the more powerful the stimulant the worse it hits. I had to talk to this one woman after she came off Cocaine and... It was like talking to zombie that got woken up at 2 AM.) 

As for the Reshi thing... That's a lot more complicated. But as far as damage goes, we know cuts heal so it stands to reason torn muscles would heal. We just also know Stormlight can shapeshift you into the true expression of yourself. But that's... Different from altering your neurology, which fundamentally changes who you are away from the true expression of yourself. More than anything else, you are your nervous and endocrine systems. They're kind of... All the most important parts of you. The rest is just fuel and structure to keep those going. 

1 hour ago, Vin(Diesel) said:

Renarin has been conformed to be autistic, I believe. 

It might be that becoming a Radiant neither left his autistic meltdowns intact nor cured him of them. Getting too much sensory input seems like the sort of think you could compensate for with stormlight. Even if autism isn't a disease, or is too connected to his self-perception, why would brain overload be any different from muscle overload? Doesn't stormlight prevent sore muscles? Autism makes you take in a lot more sensory information than neurotypicals do, right? So imagine a physical thing somehow that made you lift a lot more weight than other people did. Stormlight couldn't give you unlimited strength, but it could repair your muscles in real time, effectively making you somewhat stronger, and making you not be impaired when someone drops a large weight in your arms, whereas before, you'd have been temporarily disabled by the experience. I imagine autistic meltdowns might be similar.

I have been diagnosed with "autistic traits." The psychologist couldn't decide if I had autism or not. I have sensory sensitivity issues, and I have anxiety/OCD attacks that are sometimes triggered by sensory overload. I don't think I've ever had an autistic meltdown, and I'm not an expert on the subject.

I'd argue sensory overload is absolutely not something that Stormlight can deal with. Sore muscles are caused by physical damage and lactic acid. Stormlight heals physical damage and purges toxins, which Lactic acid can easily be seen as. Sensory input is part of the body's structure. You can't heal away the way your neurology is set up. There's no physical damage to heal. No foreign chemicals. Often times it's literally a lack of certain chemicals, something we know Stormlight doesn't heal because it's not putting more Seratonin into Kaladin's veins to help with his depression.(There's some budding research that suggests some of Autism's symptoms my be alleviated with Oxytocin(The hormone Not Oxycontin which is an opiate) which would fall into line with that, but it's new and divisive for a number of reasons.

On 3/23/2022 at 4:14 PM, cometaryorbit said:

I think it was epilepsy too.

What gets healed vs not is super weird imo. I can see depression counting as a core part of the self (even if I would totally want my own brain-chemistry-imbalance issues healed and wouldn't see myself as "less myself" for not having them), but Teft's addiction didn't get healed either, and surely that's damage acquired during life?

Addiction is an identity characteristic in a lot of ways. And Stormlight healing is all self-perception. So Teft sees himself as "an addict" the same way I see myself as neurodivergant and Kal sees himself as Depressive. If Teft instead blamed everybody else... The unhealthy in denial of reality thing to do as we see it, he might have had the addiction cured. But I suspect anybody with that outlook wouldn't be able to take wind runner oaths anyway. 

That said, while the physical addiction might be removed, it's unlikely that the emotional and neurological factors that leave someone vulnerable to addiction could be healed. They are indelibly linked to a person's identity the same way things like Depression or ADHD or having good eye-hand coordination are. Stormlight doesn't rewrite DNA or memories. It just removes damage. Which... Stormlight has addictive qualities, so that becomes its own issue. 

4 hours ago, Child of Hodor said:

I was against it when you posited this a while ago, but with the new prologue I am pretty convinced. Mostly how she was singled out by Gavilar and the red hair was stressed and then a Herald died the same night Gavilar did.  We already knew she had red hair and that Shallan's mother presumably did, but for Brandon to call it out here seems like it's for a purpose. 

She must be the one who died during the prologue. The timeline lines up for Shallan's mom to die in the same month of the same year as Gavilar: Tanat 1167. 

https://coppermind.net/wiki/Shallan's_mother

https://coppermind.net/wiki/Gavilar_Kholin

I could buy that Chanarash's soul went into Shallan instead of back to Braize and is part of her identity issues. Something about a Herald being killed with a Shardblade that severs the soul could make it possible. I don't how exactly, I'm just throwing that out there. 

I think when the Herald's return from Braize they usually come back with a rebirthed copy of the same bodies they had when they first became Heralds so I don't think she'd show up as a kid. 

Yeah. And there's a WoB out there that Taln didn't break. So instead we have a case where a few things are true.

A: Shallan Killed her mother on the night Gavilar died, sending her back to Braize to be tortured. 

B:Shallan's Mom is now running around on Roshar and going to show up for a epic levels of OOF! for Shallan, having been the catalyst for all the terrible rust that's happening. Followed closely by her Mom being killed like Jezrian was-permanently. Freeing things up so that the big 10 seen at the end of OathBringer can become new Heralds. (Shallan, Kaladin, Renarin, Jasnah, Dalinar, Venli, Szeth, Taln, Shallash, and Lift.) Bets on Shallan breaking starting the chaos that happens in the back half as well for Maximum OOF there as well. 

On 10/4/2021 at 9:38 PM, livingbrightness said:

It is the joker other then Wit and the jack of diamonds. We have had some ideas but I do not think any of them are right.

It has to be Wit for one(With white haired Hoid for alternate)and then Hoid's Cryptic for the other.

Which ones? 

1 hour ago, cozz95 said:

Copermind says Renarin was a combination of the Riran name Re, and the Alethi words Nar ("like unto") and In ("to be born unto"). 

Also this: The word "Nahel" is a Rosharan word that means "the bond to divinity", while the word "bond" was added to the term to avoid confusing readers.

So I guess that completely disproves your theory. Sorry.

I'm not sure that disproves anything yet. It disproves the Renarin part but the rest can be language shifting over time. My dad's name is Michael and that means "Who is like God" But it has other linguistic origins. 

On the topic of Brandon Words I've been using Gibbletish regularly since I read WoK.

So

, I was listening to the audiobook today and I got to Chapter 94. In the Epigraph Kalak mentions knowing the truth of the Nahel Spren. I think it breaks up as Nah El bond. Nah is something like "of" if I'm remembering right from Renarin's name. I think the bond is of El. He found a way to convince the Spren to bond humans. There's more, I'm not sure how or what it is. But there's something there. 

18 hours ago, Roocifer said:

My theory is that this is Szeth's father.

That was part of my thought process. But why would he be 16? Not 10. And why would Ishar have lied about killing him? I suspect he's from Ashyn. Someone that's managed immortality without being a Herald maybe. But someone that knows a whole lot. 

3 hours ago, Leuthie said:

First Otherland reference I've ever seen anyone use. I'm starting my reread after reading Ready Player Two. It's been long enough that I barely remember who Martine is.

She's the blind one. Also Otherland is one of the most relevant and accurate Sci-Fi works of the 90's/2000's. So many things right about internet culture. 

This is a real thing. You can go essentially psychologically blind. Your brain reacts an overpowering stimulus by shutting off your ability to see. Your eyes work. Your nerves work. Your brain doesn't process it. And because it's a mental thing, not a physical one Stormlight has nothing to do with it. 

The last fictional character I came across that referenced this was Martine from Tad William's Otherland. 

12 hours ago, SixthIdeal said:

Here’s my question: will Todium have compassion days and intelligent days? He ascended on a compassion day but seemed smart immediately afterward so I’d guess it’s over, he’s always the same now.  

His Boon and Curse are likely gone. Or at least not really relevant anymore. 

1 hour ago, Koloss17 said:

Well shardblades aren’t exactly fabrials. Fabrials work by trapping a spren and forcing them to do your bidding. Shardblades are corned vis the Nahel bond and do not have a trapped spren. The spren is a deadeye if it is not a sprenblade, but it is still not quite trapped like a fabrial, as far as I’m aware.

It feels inconsistent to have the same Spren be able to materialize as two different physical substances. I can see intent being involved, but it should still be the same metal every time a Spren manifests. There's weirdness there that I'm on the fence on. 

48 minutes ago, Koloss17 said:

Well I didn’t know he had a sprenblade! Huh. On your point on godmetals, you are sadly mistaken. The almighty Brando has said that they are godmetals, and the coppermind has it written down. And voidspren are not quite splinters if odium like radiant spren are, as far as I’m aware. There is likely a different dynamic going on.

Not sure I like that. It says weird things about old Fabrials. Can you sharpen a part of a Soulcaster and cut someone with it? That seems off. Maybe Shardblades are a different manifestation than other Fabrials, but that's odd and uncomfortable in the sense that there's two different metals from the same spren. 

Renarin has a shardblade? He has since early OathBringer. We haven't seen anything off about it so far. But I suspect Shardblades are not a God metal so much as just solid investiture. Otherwise the Fused would be able to convince Voidspren to manifest as Raysium. But instead they said Raysium is quite rare and hard to find. 

On 11/26/2020 at 9:26 PM, Bliev said:

Perhaps our friends the Sleepless have some who watch and collect such things that are connected to proto Radiants? We know they’ve been watching our core characters per the back of book blurbs...

This was my assumption. A sleepless letting their cover drop to make contact. We know they've been watching. 

42 minutes ago, Alatar said:

Would you please explain that to the millions of fans who love Mistborn EXCEPT FOR THE END? I'd rather you started with my wife, who keeps saying those exact words, more than 10 years later

That's why I said no happy ending, I think that for the cosmere Dalinar acting as Odium's servant is much more interesting, so he has to lose. Of course, I think Brandon surely knows that we expect this, and I bet he already has something prepared to surprise us. Which doesn't mean they won't still lose the duel, of course, but nothing is that simple, and there's always another secret, specially since we know Scarred Boy is lurking in the background.

I don't think Dalinar under Odium is interesting. It's a betrayal of his arc and all the wonderful work Brandon did humanizing his trauma. But Kaladin dying and having Syl with a new Radiant in the back half has a ton of potential. Dalinar doesn't have to make it either. And Kaladin's noble sacrifice fits his arc, even though I don't want to see him die. Shallan is likely being set up as our World hopper. If she loses Adolin she becomes untethered from Roshar pretty well, especially if there's a little princesseling she wants to free from Kholin expectations. Either way we're going to hit a trajectory where there's peace and harmony leading into the back half and Navani has to live for that to happen. Possibly

50 minutes ago, MyrmidonOfAchilles said:

I don't agree with this. Brandon's talked about magitech revolution, but that in no way guarantees a happy ending for the front half or that Todd will be thrown out in a single book. Technological progress being the future of Roshar's magic doesn't mean our heroes win or win without a grave and bitter cost because science is neither good nor evil. We could easily be shooting for a cyberpunk cold war, still locked in conflict with Odium all the way into book 10.

The ending has to reflect how we're supposed to feel at the beginning of the back half(at least if you want to avoid a Starwarsesque backlash). And that's supposed to be wondrous. That doesn't mean their won't be costs. But losses don't make an ending sad. People need to differentiate between an ending that moves the world forward in a happy way and saccharine endings where nothing has consequence and the good guys win effortlessly. It's going to be an ending with hope for the future of Roshar and the major conflicts resolved. 

The Cold War thing is Not an Age of Legends. Age of Legends is a specific call to a time of peace, prosperity, and wonder in the Wheel of Time. It's an idyllic Utopian thing. Not just a magi-tech revolution. It falls apart into madness eventually because of arrogance and over-reach but it's not going to be a cold war with Odium or anyone else. That wouldn't be an Age of Legends. 

Yeah. It kind of has to given we're getting an Age of Legends by the time the back half hits. So we get a good ending, a magi-technological revolution, and then a new conflict arises out of that in the back half. 

I think it was Renarin's plan. It seems like a very Dr. Strange time stone deal and that people are over-reacting to Taravangian's ascension. I think he'll be set aside pretty quick and book 5 will have a different conflict, likely centered around Uniting the Listeners and Humans. We're getting an Age of Legends within the lifetime of many of these characters and I don't see genocide/war being the way that happens. Which means we need a new problem, not the old problem(Odium). 

I don't think there will be one. Not one big all defining one at least. The back half may develop one. Potentially Thaidakar. But I think the next book will be more about setting broken things right than about defeating a central antagonist. I

I think everyone's overreacting to Taravangian's ascenscion. My guess is that the contest of Champions will be a minor footnote early in the book. Possibly the climax of part one. Instead we're going to have the Singer War to wrap up. The Fused to lay to rest. Several Unmade to contain or remake. Healing the wound the Recreance and Mishram's trapping caused. Whatever the hell is going on in Shinovar and with Ishar. And several other issues. And they probably shouldn't end in a big battle. Because genocide isn't the answer to the Singer war. And we're getting an age of legends after this.

RoW did a great job of showing how Odium, specifically Odium as Rayse, was what made the war with the Singers neverending. Rayse needed to control too much. And he felt the best way to be ready for the Shardwar was to make highly militirized societies shaped by battle. I suspect Travangian will see things differently. Certainly in the short term. Not that he'll be perfect, but the groundwork is laid to set him aside for a long time early on.

I think Cultivation is shiftier than we've thought. She's probably the we in Odium's "No. We killed you." at the end of Oathbringer. She's definitely angling for a different approach to the Shardwar. Pruning and aloowing for a flourishing technological civilization. So I doubt she'll be the major antagonist. She's shifty, but in a way where she'll be bringing the best out of people. That said, it's possible that Renarin's futuresight is being guided by Cultivation towards her ends, but I think he Doctor Stranged the best way to fix the Odium problem and went for it. 

10 hours ago, Necessary Eagle said:

So I was looking back over the ascension scene... Renarin leaves a note with the gemstones saying he's sorry. What did he see? Could he know about the Rayse/Taravangian switcharoo?

Yeah. Renarin knows. He did it for a reason. But the crazy part is unlike Rayse Taravangian knows about Renarin. 

What he doesn't know about is Rlain. 

So... Lightweaving can make sound. 

Sound pitched right can apparently suck the investiture right out of things. 

It seems like many Lightweavers have some level of perfect awareness and we know of at least one with Perfect Pitch courtesy of Breath. How do we see that going? 

22 hours ago, Illwei said:

Ah, thats a good point, because everyone calls him Stormblessed, but it's never stated explicitly that he actually chose that as his house name, no?

Yeah it is. Dalinar calls Lyrin Stormblessed and says he assumed Lyrin would take his son's house name. Plenty of confirmation there.