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There has to be another way to charge a spike besides through the heart. Brandon's said that it's possible for someone to survive it, but they'd be a very different person. So unless he was talking about the specific instance of a Bloodmaker getting another attribute taken, but not his Feruchemy, there should be a way to create a spike without stabbing someone through the heart with it.

Huh. Seems to break the otherwise good balance of the table. The reverse order split makes sense, in a way, since the Time and Enhancement sets seem a bit odd compared to the Physical/Mental sets, but breaking them off into Spiritual and what the wiki calls Hybrid... eh. I'd even be happy if Chromium took Feruchemical Spiritual abilities and Gold took Hybrid Feruchemical abilities then, but I guess we'll have to see. Probably one or the other will take other magic systems.

I was reading through the known Hemalurgic effect, or what they steal recently, and there's a pattern that gets broken in the Enhancement metals. All the pulling metals steal a basic human attribute, like strength, senses, mental fortitude... except for aluminum. For some reason, it steals Allomantic Enhancement abilities. It stands to reason that chromium would then take Feruchemical Enhancement abilities. The question is does the pattern hold true in the Time metals? I've heard the theory that gold spikes were what bestowed Feruchemical healing, which would hold to the reversed pattern, which leaves us with cadmium taking Allomantic Temporal powers and the other pushing metals being unknown.

Where is the quote for the first one? I distinctly remember either a Sazed quote or one from Marsh that says using Mistborn for Hemalurgy was a waste because you only took one ability at a time. If you're arguing that each bindpoint only gives one ability, I might buy that, but as far as I remember, spikes take one ability per kill. Whether they can take on more abilities through repeated killings is kind of up in the air. The reason I suspect both Hemalurgy and Feruchemy take up the same area of charge space is that apparently both can have an effect if the metal is burned. It just makes me think that any object can only hold so much Investiture. Otherwise, you could in theory have a spike that is used to kill a Thug, a Brute, and then be used as a storage for Compunding... it seems like too much power for one object to have.

I'd wager they each held one single Feruchemical or Allomantic ability. I doubt they were reused to grab multiple abilities, but really that's just my opinion. I really feel like an item that holds Investiture has a limited ability to do so no matter what kind of Investiture is in it. I doubt you can use Shardplate to hold much of a Feruchemical charge, or Nightblood for Hemalurgy. It's just a feeling I have, but I could very well be wrong. As for the bracers, does it seem odd to you that TLR could store 3,000 or so years of age in two atium bracers? 1,000 years a day over three days... seems odd he never hit the limit on how much Feruchemical charge he could put in them.

They are both Investiture. I wouldn't be surprised if a metal only has a limited capacity to hold Investiture. That could be another reason Inquisitors had to rest so often. They couldn't store as much health as a Feruchemist, since they didn't wear metal minds.

So the question is how much of a charge does taking an Allomantic or Feruchemical ability take? Since you can only take one at a time with an atium spike, I'm inclined to think quite a lot. Keep in mind too that the spikes were also metalminds, which has to take up some charge space as well.

The plates he left in the storage caverns paint a different picture. He wavers between being aware of his mistakes and being completely confident that he is right. I think towards the end of his reign he stopped questioning what actions were his and which were Ruin's.

Most Bloodmakers won't have the health to spare. So gold compounding > Gasper > Bloodmaker when it comes to breathing.

I'm thinking more along the lines that a thousand years of burning Feruchemical storages might make you a savant in doing so.

Didn't one of the Ars Arcanums or Sazed comments mention you can only steal one power at a time with an atium spike?

At the very least tapping both gives you the physical speed to react to your mental speed. I'll wager if you tapped large amounts of both you might hit a wall where you are still thinking at a speed that your body can't quite match.

Certainly provides a new spin on the Oathpact, doesn't it?

Ever play Knights of the Old Republic 2? I'm thinking of Kreia and her views on the Force. In the Star Wars universe, the Force itself is pretty benign, and really auto-correcting. There's no reason really to try and dispose of it... unless you dislike the concept of everyone being influenced by a force beyond their control.

Well, in theory since burning a metalmind is almost like creating a new Allomantic metal... can you be a savant in Feruchemical storages?

Hrm. So I wonder what he stole with them. Feruchemy or Allomancy or both?

His armbands were definitely metal piercing his skin. Any proof that they were spikes?

What spikes did Rashek have? Maybe the atium in his arms, but we seem him shirtless and no spikes are mentioned.

That makes his run to Luthadel more impressive, since he doesn't comment on using up a zincmind on the way. A random cow in the road could have made things a little difficult

So taking them one by one. 1) The Lord Ruler was powerful because of three factors, as far as I can tell. He was a Feruchemist, he was a Mistborn who got his powers from Lerasium which confers a larger base power, and he used the Well of Ascension. The third is personal speculation, but attuning the actual power of Preservation has to confer at least a little power bonus. TLR also had access to metals that no one else knew about. 2) I do think he could have killed all the skaa in Luthadel by himself. Most of his opponents would be untrained skaa, with next to no knowledge of Allomancy, and definitely no knowledge of Feruchemy. Yes, taking his atium bands could be easy for ten thousand skaa to do... if they thought of it. Vin only figured it out because of a sketchy knowledge of Feruchemy plus knowledge that TLR was a Feruchemist. Also a lot of TLR's bragging about what he survived is somewhat exaggerated. Word of Brandon is that if you completely sever the head (and no part of it is touching, so a wide enough blade to separate head from neck), you kill someone tapping health. 3) I honestly think he didn't take over Marsh because he was just that confidant. Even two Mistborn posed no real threat to him until Vin drew on the mists, something that is outside anyone's experience. 4) While with Inquisitors it's a good question, Koloss TLR expected to die off. They kill each other regularly and he figured that they would continue to do so. The jump they make that allows them to make new koloss TLR never predicted. To err is human... 5) I think that changing the skaa so that they couldn't have children with nobles smacks too much of Ruin to be able to accomplish with Preservation's power. Also, remember that Rashek was a young man from a pastoral society. He is a genius, but maybe not too great at forward planning. 6) I don't think he did, but the piercings in his arms allowed Ruin access to him. It was probably a trade for having Feruchemical storages that couldn't be affected by Allomancy.

More like the way a force could oppose Adonalsium would be to focus primarily on the Cognitive aspect. It would be an interesting parallel between faith and... I don't want to say reason or logic, but science is not the best description either. Intellectualism? Secularism?

I can't help but feel that the emphasis Brandon puts on Identity in some of the AMA comments, the Cognitive realm, and this opposition go hand in hand. I can't explain why, but I think that Identity is probably way more important for Shards than it is for normal people.

They also actually have eyes, and they can't see by metal lines. If tin enhances your senses, and metal lines replace sight... Inquisitors aren't always burning steel, right? At the very least they have to sleep, and when they wake up, are they completely blind? Or do they still see by metal lines?

There's a pretty large time lapse between the Last Desolation and the Recreance. Presumably Parshmen were being used that whole time if they are enslaved Voidbringers. So why the sudden reversal in ethics? The only thing I can think of is that the Knights Radiant maybe ran into the Parshendi. A race of honorable, freethinking Parshmen should really have had more effect on Alethi society than it has.. maybe last time, it did.

Or maybe their leader is the mind that originally held Adonalsium. It's logical to assume that the whole follows the rules of the parts, so what was the cognitive aspect of Adonalsium? And assuming it's benevolent, where do you go when you have the power of Creation and are turned into a shadow of yourself? Maybe you build a network of world hoppers to put out the fires your power is causing while you figure out a way to kill sixteen gods. EDITED for spelling