Infinity Sliver

Moash is a person and those are his personality traits. He was always blindly seeking revenge,and given the chance to,he gave away his pain for "peace". I,tbh,dont hate Moash. He is basically a path that Kaladin up till then end of ROW could have been. He isnt necessarily a villian and i doubt Brandon is doing anything to sate his fandom's opinion of Moash but to play out the story he's written for him.

arent complementary often opposites? especially yin and yang where its essentially light and dark which are opposites

ahhhhhhh,ok,i didnt understand what they meant,thanks for the clarification

Unknown at the time,unknown to who? because timeline wise,Mistborn 2 takes places after SA5 so,Mercy,Valor and Whimsy cannot be unknown to Sazed right?

I've always thought it was Threnody because the fight between Ambition and Odium did a lot of collateral damage and that might be seen from Shadesmar as a broken expanse

Is it that Rayse wasnt as smart as Taravangian or that Rayse had just been too warped by Intent of the Shard

Yea i kinda understand but it is what it is. Although I do think Intent also comes into play,for example,I think Unity can be another name for the Honor Odium combo cause it could be another way of perceiving the combo.

Oh,because you said Ruin was able to make Marsh do stuff. He was controlling Marsh to try to get out of his prison,but even he controls Dalinar,it wouldnt be willing. Basically what I was trying to say

That's different I'm pretty sure,Ruin's was a prison,Odium's an oath or contract basically.

I'm not sure if he made Connections to everyone he killed but I think the common thing between Szeth and Dalinar was the guilt they felt,but yea,I agree he has to forgive himself much like Dalinar did

Maybe the voice in his head was (one of?) the Unmade that has permanently settled in Shinovar now.

OH!!!!!! Well then hahaha

I think (i hope),we finally get to see Gavilar's viewpoint for that night where he died. I think book 5 will wrap that up and we FINALLY know who Gavilar really is. His viewpoint should wrap that up nicely

Ohhhh? I've never seen those posts,should be interesting to read 62 pages???? Nvm

Phew,this has branched off unh? Ok,it seems that there are 2 main arguments against Navani 1. She isnt a scholar 2.She wasn't worthy. So one at a time. 1. I feel like we already resolved she is a scholar. If not, def : A scholar is a person who pursues academic and intellectual activities, particularly those that develop expertise in an area of study. A scholar may also be an academic, who works as a professor, teacher or researcher at a university or other higher education institution. An academic usually holds an advanced degree or terminal degree such as a PhD. Some independent scholars, such as philosophers and public intellectuals work outside of academia. They may still contribute to academic journals and participate in scholarly conferences even though they are unaffiliated with a university. 2. Ok,I think it's time we don't use ourselves as references and instead,use the one that actually matter,The Sibling. If i recall,the Sibling knew about the anti-Light,and at least at the end,commented on it with Navani. Before they bonded,she said Navani wasnt worthy,but what reasons did she give? Only one. That she captures spren. No one seems to be bringing this point up so I'm gonna guess they don't see it as an issue? For the anti-Light arguments,I cant really remember the chain of events that led to it,but we have to remember the situation in Urithiru. They were effectively isolated from the outside world,so no oathgates,no communications. All the Radiants sans Kaladin and Lift were in a coma. Kaladin was severely depressed,had access to one surge he wasnt too familiar with,couldnt fly without the help of the fabrial and that couldnt last forever,and the potential of the Sibling been turned into an Unmade which would cripple the coalition,because that was no oathgates,no fast travel,and moving of forces which would take months. This one is one of the worst because the other side gaining another Unmade while the coalition losing one bondsmith would have been severe. Who else in this situation would have succeeded?

This is good,I'll admit I've been snarky but I dont think I've been very good at describing what I would like to fully describe hahaha

Jasnah can barely 1v1,the same Jasnah who destroyed in oathbringer? There is no way that Kaladin would have had enough to fight off an entire army. The man needs Dalinar for a perpendicularity when he was fighting in heartsone. You have to realize that all the gems wouldnt just be conviniently placed where Kaladin is gonna fight either. Yes it is!!! That is literally what this book showed! For Kaladin the 4th oath was a massive step,thats why he failed to do it at the end of oathbringer even at the odds that he would fail Dalinar,thats why Dalinar had to interfere,Kaladin almost never even said it in ROW. Oh my lord You know how,in movies you see people make some bad decisions and while youre on your couch,you say "I'd never do that"? Thats what this sounds like. You werent in that situation,she did the absolute best she could and honestly,if she hadnt 1. The Sibling would have been an Unmade 2. The Tower would have been lost,therefore there would be no home base for the Radiants,the coalition 3.Odium would have been in a wayyyy better spot for negotaiting 4..The morale for the entire team would have sunk

The fourth Ideal that was the build up for the book,that,IF he had escaped,would never had happened in time for this miraculous save that you all keep proposing? Kaladin could prolly not solo the entire occupying force. He would still need reserves of Stormlight to fight,or are we forgetting where he gets his batteries? Isnt Jasnah also a 4th Ideal,she def could not solo an army no? You guys are going to extraordinary lengths to try to make the impossible happen. That was it. Anyway,Kaladin would have lost against the occupying force. Navani's actions were not the best,but they were not the best in a perfect scenario. You all keep forgetting that she was held prisoner,the radiants were under some coma effect thing,Kaladin is one man who definitely cannot solo an entire army,she used what little resources she could to orchestrate the events that happened,literally anyone else in that scenario would have failed completely.

You mean enraged Kaladin? How are you all still not getting that this is one man,before his fourth Ideal. Even an enraged Kaladin could not take on an army and fly off with Navani,which would have still been a horrible option because the Sibling turns into an Unmade. I'm sure there was something else happening in that scene too,cant remember

Alright,I gots time now. So MAYBE Leshwi will fight kaladin one on one,then Lezian gets a turn,then MAYBE Kaladin wins,alright,there's stormforms and those sinking into stone Fused,like are we forgetting there's a literal army there that one man would have to fight? one man that cant fly,can only use one surge that he doesnt use often against a literal army? what??? Why are you all just forgetting that Kaladin's powers were basically cut in half,he's good but no way in hell is he that good. Your answers confuse me. The only reason a Bondsmith is the only one apart from Roshar that MIGHT have been able to save the Tower is literally because he has a god spren,can open perpendularities,etc,he could only work with non radiants because any radiants that come into urithiru is basically useless. Wasnt the Sibling also purged off Voidlight and then required Towerlight to start to feel better? Who else could have done that? Who else knew the tunes? or whatever,im rusty on that part. She was both!! she was literally walking among the scholars WHILE been captive WHILE been a scientist. She did lead,she made a mistake yes,but again,she did the absolute best and honestly,this option is better than having a dead Sibling who becomes an unmade and they no longer have a homebase. Just think about that. The Fused would have found the nodes! What? They could have literally just kept searching. There was no way that Navani and Kaladin could have escaped even with the flying fabrial and carrying someone. A siege works when you have time on your hands. They didnt have time,that is literally why Navani had to resort to these methods. Do you guys just gloss over these important bits? Why would the heavenly ones venture out then? It's a siege,they have control of the tower,they can just keep trying to corrupt the Sibling. We've seen how foot soldiers fare against the Fused.

You're right,there is a larkin,in Theylanah. Where she cant go because SHE'S CAPTIVE WITH AN INVASION FORCE KEEPING HER CAPTIVE!!! Yea,Kaladin fought Lezian,made him retreat,but it wasnt easy. Kaladin beat Leshwi before,but it wasnt easy. Now imagine having to fight both,with Raboniel and other Fused waiting a go. How are we just somehow forgetting these important details???

Again,the question wasnt her worthiness,it was what would you have done to save the tower? This is before she become a Bondsmith so you cant use that. And making a mistake somehow disqualifies you from been worthy??? What? What am i repeating? But she didnt have a ton,she had a few spheres worth! OMG! If you cant handle stress you cant be a Bondsmith? She made due with the very limited resources she had. Literally anyone else on Roshar would have failed if they were put in that exact spot,maybe except Dalinar. Honestly,i dont even remember too much from the book but I kinda remember that the anti tone wasnt enough? Else Raboniel would have just used anti tone to kill her daughter instead of anti VoidLight?

But,the Sibling can't use Voidlight,There was no larkin to drain anything,if getting rid of investiture was that easy and she could get her hands on it,there would literally be no need for such drastic measures. As for Kaladin,maybe if he was in top shape,but the man needed fabrials to help him,he was underpowered,severely depressed,and again,even if he was in top shape,there was NOOOO way he could ahve done it. It was an invasion force,Leshwi,Raboniel and Lezian were there,with other stormforms,other fused,plus they had literally hundreds of hostages,how could he accomplish anything?

Cause it is nitpicking! She's been held captive. She cant call for help or even if she could get Kaladin,what is one man supposed to do against an invasion force? She had very very limited options. Its not the best idea but its War,you dont get to live your perfect scenario Yes,in science,repeatability is key,this is a fact so i wont even debate it. a gem worth of anti-Light is not an A bomb,lets calm down there. Under what circumstances do gems crack? Yes,you should,unless you know its the only way to save your Tower? Are we forgetting this was the only way to flush out the anti-Light? How is this a controversy? I fail to understand how you guys are making it to seem like she had other options when she was veryyyyy limited in what she could do

and then what? you guys are simplifying this way too much. She's held captive,under almost constant watch,so much so that Raboniel figures out she has been been communicating with Kaladin( i think)