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10 hours ago, Azarias said:

That way, if it was in fact the Sibling who contacted Navani, it could be because her continuing capture of spren is weakening the sibling bit by bit.

I don't think it has to do with weakening the Sibling. The Sibling while powering Urithiru inside the mega-fabrial, seems to enter it willingly and isn't trapped. Whereas the current fabrials contain spren and keep them trapped to be manipulated as seen fit by the artifabrians.

Is there anyone else that really just wants them to take the Fabrial to Renarin and if he can interact with the Voidlight? Also, what would happen if the Fused were to use the Fabrial on Dalinar as he attempted to open a Perpendicularity?

8 hours ago, Dragon314 said:

Recently reread Stormlight and I cannot get this quote out of my head. It's something like "No man lives up to his ideals". Any help finding it would be greatly appreciated.

Was it from Dalinar and Sadeas talking about the Codes?

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Sadeas sniffed. “That book ruined Gavilar. Now it’s doing the same to you. You’ve listened to those stories so much they’ve got your head full of false ideals. Nobody ever really lived the way the Codes claim.”

Ch. 26, Stillness, WoK.

11 hours ago, ConfusedCow said:

Then Gavilar dies and Sadeas comes to the shattered plains. 

One minor nit to pick, Sadeas was already was at the Shattered Plains. He was the fake Gavilar fleeing. Doesn't ruin the theory at all, I really enjoyed reading it! With Brandon, you can never leave these lines to be unturned. I do believe that line has some meaning to be expounded on later.

On 5/27/2020 at 10:18 AM, SirWolfe said:

Awaken the vegetable garden fence to keep non-human animals from entering the garden. You'll never have to worry about losing your tomato plants again. Or we might end up with a Nightblood-fence-thing that constantly wants to "destroy vermin", and eats the soul of whatever touches it. 

Plot twist: it throws your growing vegetables at vermin to keep them away because it misunderstood what it was protecting.

What @Quantus said. We saw other Soulcasters in WoR.

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That included the five Soulcasters. Each stood with right hand to breast, displaying a sparkling fabrial across the back of the palm. One of the ardents glanced at Adolin. Stormfather—that gaze wasn’t completely human, not any longer. Prolonged use of the Soulcaster had transformed the eyes so that they sparkled like gemstones themselves. The woman’s skin had hardened to something like stone, smooth, with fine cracks. It was as if the person were a living statue.

10 hours ago, Gray to said:

Why is Sadeas' camp so disorganized? His markets are sloppy and randomly put together

I think that's because he didn't expect them to become permanent. It was all an afterthought after becoming rich from gemhearts.

10 hours ago, Gray to said:

his soldiers go around without taking good care of their uniforms, and their disheveled environment encourages them to be unprofessional and drunk.

To be fair, why maintain a nice uniform? Nobody else in your camp does, so it would open you up to mockery. Also, you're just going to go into battle again at the first sign of a chrysalis. The bridge crews had a rotation, but did his army? Was every scenario viewed as a "all hands on deck" situation? He always carried an excess of bridge crews to ensure easy passage for his army. If you're fighting constantly against a seemingly endless enemy, to only enrich your Brightlord why not drink or firemoss it up whenever you get the chance? They lived through this battle after all. So to sum all that up: conformity to the group, battle fatigue and simplicity of life.

On 4/13/2020 at 10:48 AM, SwordNimiForPresident said:

I'm hoping that since Szeth now has a Shardblade from his oaths, that he passes Nightblood to Dalinar. The Stormfather refuses to be a blade, so Dalinar will need something to fight with.

This is a definite possibility, but I feel like Dalinar's arc in Oathbringer would lead him to reject Nightblood. He's realized that he's old and not the strongest anymore.

Can we just see what happens when Szeth fights Nale in Book 4? Although, I suspect it won't be a satisfying conclusion. I think the fight would extend into book 5. Like either Nale's Honor Blade gets eaten or his spren blade and he  successfully flees and regroups for another fight on a different day. 

2 hours ago, Eternal Khol said:

After the shattering the Spren created by Adon went to either Honor or Cultivation.

So if someone new Ascended those spren would get absorbed. At least by your logic

Chaos

So, at the Forbidden Planet signing you said that when Adonalsium was Shattered, all Investiture in the cosmere was associated to one of the Shards... So, what happened with Adonalsium's spren on Roshar? Were those associated to Honor and Cultivation? What happened with them?

Brandon Sanderson

So they were very-- They were already associated to certain parts of Adonalsium and they went with those associations. There's a lot of Cultivation in all of the spren, particularly the natural spren.

Footnote: Chaos is referencing this exchange.
Salt Lake City signing (Dec. 16, 2017)

 

 

It's not like when someone ascends they claim every piece of investiture. Vin was only able to draw in the mist because they were the raw power of Preservation. Not being used by anything else.

If someone new Ascended on Roshar your suggesting all Spren of H and/or C, would disappear. Which isn't the case

It's also like saying that if dalinar Ascended he'd absorb all of the highstorm investiture which also isn't true

That's not what I'm suggesting. Also, your WoB says the spren are mostly Cultivation's Investiture. So how would Dalinar absorb that? I'm only talking about absorbing the Stormfather because he is a fragment of Honor.

2 hours ago, Eternal Khol said:

That's like saying all Spren would disappear if someone new Ascended to Honor

Except it isn't, because most spren came directly from Adonalsium and predate Honor and Cultivation arriving to Roshar.

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Questioner

Spren. The phenomenon that creates spren. Is that Roshar-specific or is that a general effect?

Brandon Sanderson

Well, yes and no. So the question is, the effect that creates spren, is that Roshar-specific or is it general. The general fundamental rules that create spren are cosmere-wide. Spren are pieces of Investiture, usually pieces of Investiture that come straight from one of the Shards of Adonalsium, split off in some way, that because of human or other sapient creatures thinking about it or interacting with the power, the power starts to take on a life of its own. Develops personalities and comes alive, so to speak. And this can happen on any pla-- in any place where there is Investiture. So it could happen on any planet in the cosmere with significant amounts of free Investiture. The places you've seen this happen most commonly are on Sel and Scadri-- err Roshar. You haven't seen it on Scadrial, and you've seen little kind of hints at it on Nalthis, but not quite. And so-- But it's possible for it to happen anywhere. Seons and spren are basically the same thing with different powers-- powers kind of pushing them in different-- growth out of them-- That said, the non-sapient spren, so the spren that are not quite as-- They're not going to stand up and talk to you. Those all existed-- not all, but most of them existed on Roshar before the Shattering of Adonalsium.

JordanCon 2016 (April 23, 2016)

21 minutes ago, Booknerd said:

Honor has pregiven Orders that Stormfather is following, and if someone got close enough to becoming Honor then Stormfather would probably obey them too.

Yes, to find a potential Bondsmith and show them the visions. Have them refound the Knights Radiant. Honor was shattered like the other shards that Odium got to first. But we don't know what rebuilding a shard looks like. Where are the pieces? Would would searching for them entail?

Dalinar's "Ascension" looks very different than Vin's. If Dalinar became a shard, he may reshape it as he said, "I am Unity." We don't know he would refound "Honor". The Stormfather would probably no longer be if Dalinar became a Shard, because it would just be part of his Investiture.

So if Dalinar was so suited to be a Shard, found all the pieces and forged a new Shard be it Honor or Unity, why would he hand it over to Kaladin?

1 hour ago, Booknerd said:

Honor is a shard not a person someone held Honor before Tanavast  someone will hold it after

That's right! You got it now! But the shard of Honor was shattered by Odium too, either after he killed Tanavast or at the same time. So we have established that Honor is, in fact, not giving orders to the Stormfather, correct?

1 minute ago, Booknerd said:

It would make him into what he was before

But he also does what Honor tells him

Honor is dead. Odium killed him.

9 minutes ago, Booknerd said:

So? Stormfather can just give up the piece he has no need to unbond Dalinar, or bond Kal.

Why would he do that? Assuming he COULD do that (we have nothing to point to that spren could do that), why? Do you remember how he spoke to Dalinar in the beginning of Oathbringer? He's not nice or forgiving. He is the essence of the storm.

7 minutes ago, Booknerd said:

Why on earth would he need to be a Bondsmith to Ascend?

The Stormfather is the largest remnant of Honor. You need a shard to ascend.

26 minutes ago, Booknerd said:

So Dalinar being bonded to Stormfather is not a problem.

That situation isn't a perfect fit.

For your analogy to work, Dalinar would need to unbond the Stormfather and Kaladin immediately swear up to at least the third BONDSMITH oath.

I'm going to have to disagree with this theory. Kaladin's arc is more than just loss, it's his persistence to change the situations. This is what made him an ideal Proto-Radiant. @Karger makes a great point that without Syl that Kaladin is no longer a Radiant, which makes oaths unnecessary. 

15 hours ago, Booknerd said:

Unless Kaladin Accends.

Are you basing this on the thought that the Stormfather calls Kaladin "Son of Honor"? The problem is Kaladin cannot Ascend because Dalinar is the one bonded to the Stormfather which is the largest remnant of Honor. Honor is the only shattered Shard on Roshar and only Honor, Odium and Cultivation are on Roshar. So unless if Cultivation passes her shard to Kaladin, it would require Dalinar to die. 

Part of Dalinar's Ascension seemed to rely on so many Glory spren flooding Thaylen Field for Dalinar.

Big fan of this thread. Sad part is I feel we'll need to wait a few weeks or so for more quality updates.

This theory would be extra terrifying if you consider that the Fused seem to be attempting to collect all unprotected Shardblades. I like it! Maybe through Connection, the Everstorm, a large amount of Investiture and a Fused soul they could have their own version of a Radiant.

On 3/1/2020 at 5:02 PM, Nellac said:

Shards, plural. Now this might just be another error of the stormfather, but if not it brings an interesting question to the table. Why would Dalinar not get shardplate?

I took his answer at his word, that he would not be a Shardblade and I think you answered it in this statement. Plural. I do not believe their bond would stop Dalinar from having Live Plate. I always found interesting parts in the Chasmfiend Hunt chapter of WoK (Chapter 13).

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Again the world lurched, and metal hit stone in a cacophony as he slid.

No! he thought, getting a gauntleted hand beneath himself and heaving, using the momentum of his slide to throw himself upright. As the sky spun, something seemed to right, as if the Plate itself knew which way was up. He landed—still moving, feet grinding on stone.

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Dalinar charged toward the king, moving with a speed and grace no man—not even one wearing Shardplate—should be able to manage. 

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Dalinar held back the claw and matched its strength, a figure in dark, silvery metal that almost seemed to glow.

What's to say in his Proto-Radiant bond he wasn't amplifying the plate's latent abilities? We've never read Adolin describing his combat like this.

On 3/1/2020 at 5:07 PM, Karger said:

Someone asked and it was RAFOed.

Well, Brandon can't go giving away all future reveals, can he?

On 3/1/2020 at 9:34 PM, Booknerd said:

Interesting, I always thought that Bondsmiths had plate but no blade. This is very interesting.

I think you're correct. What good would a Bondsmith do on a battlefield, unable to achieve plate, while surrounded by an army of Radiants in plate? 

On 2/3/2020 at 1:30 PM, Child of Hodor said:

I skip some of Dalinar's as well, the two or three flashbacks leading up to Evi's death and her death.

Color me shocked. That's the best look at the Thrill we've had with Dalinar fighting for his life and nearly dying.

Ah, man! My responses to the other Taln Facts thread got lost.

Thanks @RShara, I had forgotten about that WoB. 

1 hour ago, Ciridae said:

I dont know if we can say for certain that Jasnah has full Plate yet.

We don't know because it's been RAFO'd.

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Questioner

Has Jasnah come up with her armor? Because there's a part where they say that geometric shapes were kind of disappearing and it wasn't like someone changing like they normally would.

Brandon Sanderson

I will RAFO that for now.

Skyward San Francisco signing (Nov. 8, 2018)

Jasnah keeps secrets very well and it was written with the soldiers being thrown entirely off screen and the shapes disappearing as Adolin sees her. As to what she was saying to Shallan was Jasnah attempting to prove to Shallan that she has more to learn. Jasnah still knows more than most.

It may have been transportation as you theorize. But how do you explain the surge of transportation causing geometric shapes around her? We've seen her use transportation from Shadesmar to the Physical Realm

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The air in front of him blurred, as if heated in a ring near the ground. A streak of light spun about the ring, forming a wall five or six feet high. It faded immediately—really, it was just an afterimage, as if something glowing had spun in the circle very quickly.

I don't have the Oathbringer eBook, or else I'd quote that for comparison. The geometric shapes sounds more like Shardplate, but to be fair the three different lashes don't all look the same.

8 hours ago, Nellac said:

Bondsmiths could take the essence of the lesser spren, which exists mostly in the cognitive realm, and combine it with the Radiant's surges, which comes from their use of investiture, which is from the spiritual realm, and combines them and brings them into the physical realm to create plate. 

One problem for your theory is it's been hinted that Jasnah already has her plate. At the Battle of Thaylen Field Adolin sees something around Jasnah for a second, after Amaram's soldiers mysteriously were sent flying. Also, earlier in Oathbringer, while Shallan tells Jasnah she's a Radiant now Jasnah asks her where her plate is. 

8 hours ago, Nellac said:

Another idea that I think makes this more likely is the fact that Modern shardplate is seen to be really similar across the board. We even see Dalinar use the gauntlet from Adolin's suit in TWoK.

Shardplate forms to the wearer. Kaladin took a helm and used it as a glove during Adolin's duel.

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As he ran, Kaladin dropped his broken spear and shoved his hand into the helm from the bottom. He’d learned something about Shardplate—it attached itself automatically to its bearer. He’d hoped it might work for the helm now, and it did—the inside tightened around his wrist. When he let go, the helm remained on his hand like a very strange glove.