Conquestor

Sorry I haven't been as active. I'll be around for the next 4 hours and I'll try to be around an hour before the cycle ends (I'm assuming that will be around 10pm...). You forgot about my vote on Sart, of which I'm not completely sure of anymore. Also, why do you think that me and luck are teamed? Are there specific instances you are thinking about or no? Also, I'm thinking that Xino isn't an elim because of how little resoning he's giving... NOW ONE SECOND, I would definitely like more info and better reasoning, but I see it as more vil to care a little less about your life than an elim would. That being said, I am a big supporter of trying to save yourself, since at least that tends to generate discussion. Also, can I be the first to point out that this series of votes is actually much easier for the Forsaken and his buddies to manipulate? How do we even really know that Xino has two votes on him or that Vorros does? I'm not pointing out specific people, my point is that the forsaken could easily change things around here, which is not good for us. Also, both Araris's and Devotary's physical actions failed. I'm willing to bet that they are being honest about it because that could easily bite them in the butt later as an elim. That doesn't mean that they aren't elims since someone else could've submitted the action or they could be lying, but it's a start. I'm also glad that Devo finally just asked our all powerful overlord TUN about the Warder because I think that we were all confused about it on some level or another. It's getting close to then end of the cycle, well relatively, and Shining, Luckspren, and Devo haven't voted yet. I know that Devo will vote when there's about 20 minutes left, but @Luckspren and @Shining Silhouette are you two going to vote and if not, why not? (I know that it can be scary to vote Shining but you get used to it the more you do it.)

Well, I'm not that confident about Mat being an elim. I just think that it's interesting that my Mat being forsaken scenario hadn't yet been brought up until that point. Also, I listed that I thought it was more likely for the Forsaken to have voted on me. Well, in that same vein. Sart. I'm not sure what really what else to add, I've already given my reasons for this vote. As for Mat's two scenarios. I like how in depth and nice the me being elim one is, however, isn't that a case against it in itself? It's never that simple, even once you do find an elim. As for the me being village scenario, it is interesting that you mark down Vorros and Luckspren as pretty good chances in both. You also put Sart in both but as smaller odds... As a warder, Wizard would've been bonded to an Aes Sedai. I doubt it would be the Forsaken though, but I guess it's possible. I think that the elims would've targeted wizard since most people read wizard as slight village or neutral. It would've been hard to start a train on them. The same goes for shining, but I think they spared him because he's new. Also, as a warder, Wizard would have little else to do with his actions except to make pms, right? It would be interesting to know who else he made pms with. That's right, I myself had a pm with wizard. His dying breath to me was "Forsaken hidden in vote, though anything is possible. I am mostly deciphering things, I think." It's entirely possible that when he made pms, he gave himself away as a warder and was thus targeted as a shot in the dark. I also think it's a little crazy that we haven't seen an Aes Sedai die yet, I would think it was the most common role and maybe it is and we've been unlucky in terms of who is dying. I would assume that there is probably four+ Aes Sedai with at least one or two of them being elim. @The Unknown Novel Can the forsaken and an Aes Sedai link? I would think so, but at the same time I don't think so. Is it only Aes Sedai who can link?

I personally don't think that it's necessary, but it may help. You have seemed village overall to me. @Matrim's Dice Ah, well sorry. I hate being tired. Also, I don't mean to antagonize, I need to work on the way I phrase things because when I talk about people in my posts, they seem to get agitated. I don't mean to do that, I swear! The @ wasn't well placed, sorry about that. You will want to look at everything underneath the first quote. It pertains to you in one way or another. I would also like to get your personal thoughts on what's happened.

I've never had so many @s in my life! I'm going to break down the questions into groups, so it will hopefully be more digestible! First, what are my new thoughts and reads? I'll even try to give my best reasoning in as short as sentences as I can muster. Vil Leaning Shining, Luckspren, Vorros, and Araris. I like Shinings posts because they genuinely seem curious and like they are trying to get to the bottom of things. The elims already know and it can be hard to fake. Luckspren has seemed to me to be looking for info, but is managing to walk somewhat of neutral ground. I'm keeping a close eye on her though because neutral isn't the best. Araris, well after going through almost half of last cycle in depth, their posts and responses seemed extremely genuine and I got a pretty good vil vibe from them. Vorros, I don't know. It seems like your village, but I'm worried about subtle manipulation, either way I think that your good at this game. Neutral Leaning Wizard, and Devotary. Wizard is neutral for me because I liked his first set of posts, but then he stopped rather suddenly. I'm willing to assume that was due to outside circumstances. Devotary's posts just haven't popped out to me and the last minute vote could mean anything. It could be exactly what he was saying he was trying to do or an elim trying to get the scent off of himself completely. (He did lynch one of his own last game and won because of it.) Elim Leaning Sart, Mat, and Xino. I've already expressed my opinion on Sart, so I'll keep it there. As for Xino, I don't know... Maybe it's just lack of clarity from them. The post where they voted on me included a vote count, who they thought was good and bad, and a couple of sentences I am still trying to decode. Like I said in my look through of Illwei's posts, I really like Mat, especially since he seems to be a good judge of alignment. I am however wary at the same time because if he was on the other side, he could do some damage. What I'm most confused about is how little judgement he's given, as a whole, especially this cycle. While I was looking through last cycle's posts, I saw him give his pure judgement a few times and a weird defense when Illwei commented on him. Second, what do I think about the vote theories that have been put out? Simply, I dislike any scenario where a vil sees me as so good they try to save me using compulsion. I wouldn't do it on cycle one, especially since messing with votes makes it harder for the village to read into them and it has a low chance of actually succeeding. As for the theories that I believe to be most likely... The Forsaken didn't do any vote manipulation but still voted. For me that means that the pool is <Sart, Xino>. I see this one as likely because they would assume ahead of time that we would think of this, or plant it in our heads. If I were the Forsaken and did this, I would talso do a weave, maybe trace, delve, or renew combined with making a pm. The pm might help convince someone that you couldn't be the Forsaken because you made a pm with them. Something along those lines. The Forsaken used compulsion to cover their tracks and voted for someone of low priority. Well, what better way to stay hidden than to make it seem like your vote could only be in one of three places??? Did the Forsaken vote for Illwei, Me, or not vote at all. I think that more clever and subtle than all of that is to for someone of low priority and then move someone's vote over to your own insignificant corner of the map. This would mean that there is only one option for the Forsaken, Mat. Now that I think about it, Mat voted on neither one of us last cycle because: You didn't want to kill Illwei that cycle, fine, however just voting for Xino is almost too safe. Who was going to look back on it? Well, apparently me, but that's because I was thinking about the safest place to hide as the Forsaken, which I assumed was the no voters at first, but at it took was one look back at the votes. If this is the case, it was such a good plan that it didn't even come up as an option until now. Of course, that may be your teammates keeping it under wraps, but who's to say? @Matrim's Dice Edit: What I meant in terms of my first most likely vote theory was that the Elims assumed ahead of time that we would think about comulsion and would use that to hide the forsaken, especially since they can suggest it themselves pretty simply that night.

Illwei votes for wizard Illwei's response to my vote and other discussions Illwei adding extra thoughts and responds to Araris Illwei's double edit post and first Sart vote Anyways, that gets me to my long roles thoughts on page two, almost halfway through the page. I'm going to end there for now, but I will continue this later. Also, just in case you didn't read through all of that @Luckspren. Which scenario (of the twelve you presented) are most likely to be the case?

Ah, I actually sped read that part of the rules, so yeah. Apparently there won't be an execution tonight. My bad. Still, I think Sart was rather suspicious. Now I'm going to take some time to read through Illwei's posts and see if I can't find anything out. I'll try and write up as detailed of a report as I can.

I am both grateful and annoyed at Devo... I hate super last minute voting like that, but I also know that it is kind of his thing. Although, @Devotary of Spontaneity, was trying to get vote manip to happen the only reason you voted for me? I'm curious to know. Also, @Shining Silhouette, yeah, I wasn't completely logical when making that list, but it is kind of force of habit to be suspicious of low posters... Also, just because I think that it is more important doesn't mean that the elims themselves will think that. Also, Sart, don't think I forgot about you posting once and voting on me. If I'm trying to blend in, I did a very poor job of it, of course I never really seem to be able to, but whatever. It's interesting though that it almost seems like you are trying to blend in. I mean voting so no one asks why you aren't and on someone who was already under heat. You then go on to lean village on wizard when others said so and then defend Araris. These were all things that others were doing and so you really didn't reveal anything about yourself. You also never came back and said anything. Why is that? @Sart

Ah, this makes sense. Apparently, I'm denser than I thought because I didn't pick up on that last game or this one. I guess first of all I'll explain what I mean by contribution. For me contribution has less to do with quantity of posts (although that's never hurt anyone) and more to do with the quality of the posts themselves. Now, what do I mean by quality? To me a quality post includes at least a paragraph of decent reasoning and some assumptions. There's probably more to it than that, but that's all I could think of right now. I got onto Illwei first because they were a one sentence vote and so didn't include much thought (at least to me) or reasoning. I like clear explanations, which I might be bad at, but it makes sense to me when I write things out... Ah, so that was you trying to make me be clearer about who I thought was elim and vil, etc. Yeah, I definitely didn't see it that way at the time, but it makes a lot of sense looking back. Again, maybe I'm denser than I thought. Well, I've never actually done the whole "this is how I feel about everyone" before. Mostly because my reads aren't the best and I dislike being wrong. I feel like I would put too many people in the "I dunno" bucket. I guess it's a good tool though and is something I should get more used to doing. Here we go I guess... Vil: ? Vil Lean: Luckspren, Mat, Vorros No Man's Land: Araris, Devotary, Wizard Elim Lean: Illwei, Sart, Xino, Shining Elim: ? If you have any questions about that list, I guess at me and I'll do my best to explain. At least this first cycle has been interesting! This is what the last game was missing... "You! No, you! Haha! I caught onto you! Haha, that was a trap!" sort of thing. I'm excited to see hoe the voting ends. Also, I don't know if I'll be on again before the cycle closes, but I'll try my best!

You know what? Fair enough, I guess I wasn't making myself very clear. I would state it more like this: 1. The elim kill is less likely to succeed than normal 2. The elims will value thread control more than normal 3. Thread control lets the elims kill (via voting) more people to make up for (1) 4. Vote manip makes voting (and hence thread control) relatively less important 5. Players vying for thread control are not more or less likely to be elims (because hopefully villagers will be trying to get thread control too!) It feels like your number six is coming out of left field. The elims are going to be able to coordinate and use their actions in coordination with each other, meanwhile the village is going to be mostly shooting in the dark. This makes it easier for the Elims to mess with the vote and more random and thus harder for the village. Also, in my roles analysis post you might recall that I said it made the result more random and thus less likely, but that voting is still important and that people should do it. After all, like you stated, the more votes the less likely vote manip will work. The fewer the amount of votes, the more powerful it is. P. S. I really like that! "Assured Ness Movement of Rhetorical Thinking"

Okay? I mean I guess that's fair, but isn't that an elimy thing to do? To lurk I mean. Maybe it's not anymore, but that's what I remember it meaning. Also, what makes Araris vil in your opinion? From my standpoint, he voted with you, and then started pressuring me weirdly because I did some vaguely shady stuff. Also, Xino's own vote on my pretty much mirrors Araris own reasons but what for peats sake is up with my roles analysis??? @Matrim's Diceand @Luckspren. Could either of you please tell me what is up with my apparently Elim posts? I can't get anything straight out of other people and I feel like you two would put it down plainly. Thanks in advance!

Okay, @Araris ValerianI don't completely understand your fixation on me. I Voted on Illwei and then you became super defensive! Are you trying to protect a teammate? Also, I had read through the thread really quickly and your post was bigger than Illwei's so I thought there was more to it, but I was wrong. Also, most of my posts have been on the phone so it's harder for me to bounce around the thread. Also, I think that it is very important for us to have a deep understanding of the roles and rules, since that will help us determine the elims. No, I don't necessarily think that trying to take thread control makes someone Elim or village right now. Before I posted my role analysis, I didn't realize all of that. I'm a post as I realize kind of person. What I am saying is that thread control is now going to be of bigger import but voting a little less so than other games (because of vote manip). Although I am a big advocator of voting, so I don't think it should be avoided. I am so confused by your vote on me post. What info did I share that I'm disregarding? It was role stuff and so that would relate to the actions I take with my role, so how would you know that I'm disregarding it? @IllweiHuh? Like I said above, I was using a phone and trying to read the thread quickly on my break, however, you still not explaining your vote on Wizard is saying something despite the numerous amount of attempts to get you to explain. That says more to me than a dismissal of a vote, also it wasn't a dismissal. I was voting on the person I thought was more suspicious, that doesn't mean that I didn't think Araris's vote was good. Also, what. Is Araris on my team? Even if I did dismiss his vote, what does that actually mean right now? If you fully read my role thoughts posts, then you would've seen that I thought it was powerful, I was just saying that it would also have to be carefully used. You don't want to scan someone that is going to die at the same time you scan them. Also, I'm confused about all the pressure on me. Could someone please explain it in more simplified terms? Also, what's up with @Sart? They get voted on, immediately post a tiny bit of fluff, vote on me, and nothing happens? Also, I tend to recall that taking off a vote relatively quickly for not much reasoning tends to get you pointed at pretty quickly. Why'd you take your vote off of Sart and put it onto Luckspren Illwei?

Well, the amount of responses since my post are incredibly underwhelming. Thanks TUN for the answers though! That's all very handy to know. I now want to get into some roles that haven't been discussed yet, specifically the two rivers ones. The Shepherd is nice because they can survive one attack, meaning that there is another chance for the elim kill to fail. They can also do a weave once. Now, looking at it from their perspective, they would use it on one of three weaves. Lightning, for obvious reasons, circle of silence (I think this because maybe they are more information focused and don't quite want to kill anyone), or perhaps compulsion (this one to possibly save someone they think is vil and to try and kill and elim). The next one is the Blacksmith and boy aren't they interesting... Being able to discover someone's alignment! Now, the problem is that they are limited to two scans, and they would preferably be either elims or a vil that isn't dying anytime soon. The really important thing is going to be keeping them alive, if this role is in the game. The Horse Trader... an extra kill, but only once and death if they are healed twice by two different Aes Sedai on the same turn. The extra kill could be nice, but honestly, I don't think that this role is as village helpful as the other two. If the person with this role managed to kill an elim by random luck, then that would be amazing! Also, I just realized that the Blademaster also has an extra life, so the odds of the elims being able to kill someone are pretty low, especially if Aes Sedai are healing people. This is true, at least for the first couple of cycles. The only surefire way to kill someone is to lynch them. This means that the elims are going to have to lean heavily into thread control. Speaking of weaves, I believe that there are two groups: Info, Blocking. The Info ones include Trace, Delve, Voice of Power, Renew, Light, Lightning, and Circle of Silence. This is because they deal almost directly with gathering or giving info. Now that's only half of the list, so this means that the other half have to do with some form of roleblocking or another. The Blocking weaves make either other weaves useless or stop physical actions. With compulsion, even the votes could essentially be blocked! Now, this is both incredibly good and incredibly bad. The good thing is that it could be really hard for the elims to get anything to happen with their own actions, but what I fear is that the village will become its own worst enemy. The vil might lean too heavily on the powerful roles we've been given and start slacking in other areas. Plus, with the amount of roleblocking, the village is more likely to roleblock each other than we are to roleblock the elims. I shield you! Oh wait! You were trying to heal a vil that ends up getting killed, well oops I guess. My point here is to not just fire off stuff willy nilly. We still need that thread control! (Sorry I haven't been the most helpful there so far.)

Yeah, computer!!! Hmmm, anyways. @The Unknown Novel What does it mean in the rules about the Forsaken's vote not counting? What I mean is, does the vote show up in all the counts but isn't counted by you or is it that the vote total is minimized by one? For instance: Person 1 and person 2 vote on person 3 and person 3 and person 4 vote on person 5. Person 1 is the Forsaken and so there vote doesn't count. The next cycle this is what you post: Person 3 (1): Person 1 and Person 2 Person 5 (2): Person 3 and Person 4 or Person 3 (2): Person 1 and Person 2 Person 5 (2): Person 3 and Person 4 I hope that makes sense... Oh, along that same vein. How would someone using the weave of compulsion show up in the vote count the next cycle? Would the person whose vote changed have their name move, or would that not show up at all? Now the reason I bring this up is because the Forsaken really isn't going to want to vote on tied votes and will most likely vote in bandwagons or as a stand alone, since that vote won't matter anyways. To help make up for this, there are weaves with vote manipulation and the Amyrlin Seat. That helps make up for it slightly, but not enough that the Forsaken is going to be careless about how they vote. Another thing to think about is going to be the Warder and Aes Sedai interaction. Just because two people are backing each other up in thread doesn't mean that they are an elim team, it could mean that they are bonded and so the warder doesn't want the Aes Sedai they are bonded to, to die. I mean, a 50% chance of death is not chance that I would take. That also makes me think that there wouldn't be a Warder Elim as with out there being 3-4 elims, because the chance for the warder elim to die is significantly higher. Another interesting thing is that there is a decent chance that the elim kill gets roll blocked. It is a physical action and there are 3 ways to block those. (Blademaster, Harden Air, and Earthquake). That means that the elims are going to have to be very careful about who sends in the elim kill. Things get crazier because Harden Air is a 1 complexity weave and the Blademaster can roleblock every turn. Oh yeah, plus there is the Heal weave! That's all without getting into the fact that there is the Trace weave that can see what physical actions a player can take. There's more I want to add, but I have to get going. I'll be back around midnight, so yeah. We'll see about what craziness I have to add then.

Wow, I don't know why my first votes seem to draw so much attention to me, like seriously, this is almost as bad as my last game. @Araris Valerian I Voted on Illwei instead of you because his first vote had almost no explanation to it, while yours at least had some. @IllweiI am at work and communicating on my breaks. Hence why my posts are also shorter than normal. I'm grateful for all the explanations about why you may not have been as communicative. I would like to hear from you about why you voted on Wizard in the first place. It just seems like you are trying to avoid an explanation. @SartWow, voting on someone who some people are slightly eliming about immediately after getting voted on. This seems like an attempt to distract from yourself. Also, maybe some of what I said was regurgitation, but I haven't had the time to really put a post out there, give me about 2 hours when I'm off work and I'll post a me post.

I agree that your vote on Wizard does need some answers, Illwei. You also haven't contributed anything else, although that may just be because you're busy. I'm also going to guess that there are 2-3 elims with the chance of the more powerful roles being present in a 2 Elim game. Although, with the fact that the village can also do the lightning action and being able to protect themselves, I would lean more towards the 3 Elim team. I think more thoughts about the weaves themselves would be helpful. The weaves really add a big variety and randomness to the game. There is always a chance that they happen or a chance that they don't. The weaves can even interrupt each other which adds more to the randomness. Another question is, how worth it is it to link? First of all, you have to share info about your weaving attributes and then try and convince someone to do some certain weaves. Anyways, I think this will be an interesting game...

Okay, I'm officially just going to name my character Anentai. I'll come up with more background later...

First of all, @Luckspren, I am sorry. I didn't know that you were female. I will make sure to correct that from now on. Also, if I were an elim, who would be on my team? I've pretty much only defended myself for the last few cycles. Look, @Devotary of Spontaneity and @The_God_King. If I'm being honest, I believe that you two are the villagers. Archer, Luckspren, nor JNV have made a good case against me this cycle. Well, I Archer did, but I responded as well as I could to that. Are we really going to believe that this cycle has gone no where? If an elim really was on the line, then wouldn't at least one other elim be backing them up? In this case, the closest we got was Devo who was neutral. JNV tried to sound neutral, but I feel I already had made a good case for luckspren and I believe they never intended to turn there vote around. Since this is likely to be the last cycle anyway. Archer was the one who stole my lenses! I had two lenses, the translator's and a courier's. I was in the courier pm with Archer. The only reason the elims decided not to go for you two is so that they know that it would be impossible to convince anyone that you two are elims with what's happened. Also, I ended my vote last cycle on luckspren and suddenly I'm enemy number one. This train on me is being pushed too hard and without much logic to it. JNV's whole vote on me is, "well it's your turn I guess". His final argument pretty much inciminates luckspren! What does he mean for why luckspren would be paired with someone other than myself? Why as an elim would I throw my own teammate under the bus now and two turns in a row? Who would my teammate be? Devotary? Isn't he vil? We are prepared to throw everyone as a pair together except me. The only pair that's been seriously suggested this cycle is me and fifth. Unless this is a two person elim team, this makes no sense. Now, I'm pretty much out of time. I will be busy tomorrow, but just in case people have direct questions for me, I'll try to log in before the close of the cycle. @ me if you have any questions. I don't believe there are any more arguments for me to make, so with that, I wish you all a good night and a good cycle!

Man, this is a dead cycle if I've ever seen one! I'm taking the worst case scenario that others suggested (there being four elims) and applied it to our current situation. Hopefully there are only three in total, but I'm going to assume that there is four in total. Also, I wasn't confident, which is why I used words like, should and probably. These were just the assumptions that I was basing the rest of my post off of. I never suggested a Kas-TUN team. That was other people. I actually was on the V!TUN team since C3. I'll be honest, I'm confused about the complaint here. Isn't it good if the number of lenses in play are ambiguous? You know, with the whole elim shatter thing? Also, they are not glasses, but lenses. It takes 2 lenses to make a single pair of glasses... That doesn't sound very clear, but I swear that is what it is! <- (glasses!) Well, like I explained that cycle. I wanted to give Fifth the chance to respond before I attempted to send them off to their death. The bigger reason was that I was much more suspicious of Wizard than I was of Fifth. Well, I admit that, that specific situation wasn't handled the best by me. At the time, it made sense to me because I was unsure of who else to vote for (it was still early in the cycle, the first cycle) and I was legitimately happy with his response. Also, I most definitely would've looked at the elim doc before doing anything that cycle. I can't really point out from previous games that I've done this, but if you look at my posts this game, they are rather thorough. Also, Fifth was never at risk of dying that first cycle. If I was an elim, I would've kept my vote their for longer and then changed it closer to the end. This is a harder argument to make though, so I'll keep it there. Everything makes more sense in hindsight. Maybe because I am one? The elims know who is village and who isn't. Also, you don't want to make your connections that obvious as elims. I wasn't even in trouble C2. I'm still convinced that luckspren has been weirdly backed up and just active enough to stay in the game.

Okay, according to the calculations, the vils should be tied with the elims now. This is our last cycle to get this right. The village has to vote together! Now, to help with this, I have collected and organized the final votes of the last four cycles. C1: Ashbringer (4) - Matrim's Dice, Fifth Scholar, Conquestor, Devotary of Spontaneity Droughtbringer (1) - A Joe in the Bush Luckspren (1) - Kasimir C2: Fifth Scholar (3) - A Joe in the Bush, The_God_King, Devotary of Spontaneity The_God_King (2) - Fifth Scholar, Kasimir The Unknown Novel (1) - The Wandering Wizard The Wandering Wizard (1) - Conquestor C3: The Wandering Wizard (5) - A Joe in the Bush, The Unknown Novel, The_God_King, Kasimir, Conquestor The Unknown Novel (3) - JNV, The Wandering Wizard, Devotary of Spontaneity C4: The Unknown Novel (4) - JNV, The_God_King, Devotary of Spontaneity, Luckspren Conquestor (2) - The Unknown Novel, Archer Luckspren (1) - Conquestor C3 was more of a wash than I thought before this cycle. All I'm going to say is that Archer (Kasimir), has been rather suspicious. Yes, he didn't join the TUN bandwagon, but that was pretty much happening no matter. Also, before Fifth died in C2, they voted very much in the same manner. Another interesting thing is that while Luckspren has never defended themselves, both Fifth and Kas defended luckspren on C1 and C2. I'm not sure in what world that luckspren isn't on some sort of elim team. He has been defended whenever there was some danger of his death and he has only posted enough to survive the inactivity filter. Also, my lenses were stolen from me last night!

I'd like to join in too! It took me a second to figure the whole weaves thing, but now it makes a lot of sense! I'll come up with a character later.

Sometimes you just really want to appease the ghosts so they don't come back and haunt you later!!!

Tun: TGK, Devotary, Luckspren, JNV Archer: Conq Conq: Archer What the heck happened??? Why is everyone so ready to kill TUN when there have been many more and much better arguments for me being evil? (And with the way that the votes have gone down, I'm almost inclined to believe them. ) I'm just saying that because this TUN train seems almost a little forced. If he is an elim, I'm really going to eat my post next cycle, but I'm inclined to think that he is vil. Also, Luckspren is coming out of nowhere and joining the TUN bandwagon. He has posted very little, let alone voted. Why join the bandwagon now? Archer, I'm still a little suspicious of you, but I guess I have my own long list of suspicious actions. I've been very bad about getting reads, that's obviously something that I need to improve at!

Okay, I have officially decided that I'm either really bad at reading people or just too use to playing a certain way. At this point, I have almost no idea who to trust anymore. I like your post Archer, but it seems to heavily favor Kas (which is you now, right?). Don't you know what alignment you are? You seem to almost try to be distancing yourself from Kas while making him look better. Expertly done by the way! Now, I'm going to be hiking a mountain for most of today, so if someone has some direct questions for me, I'd be happy to respond when I get back!

Actually, I went back through the votes and I want to ask Archer/Kas, why such a last minute vote change. Wizard might've been on to something before he died. I'll have to get back to you sooner Devotary. This a much more pressing issue. Also, I know that I just voted for you, but if I'm being honest, I really don't want Archer/Kas to be Elim, but that is a rather interesting move. I guess like how this one is... Well, let the consequences follow I guess!

Welcome Archer! Also, what the actual heck. I thought that pretty much everyone voting for wizard was a vil. There are eight of us left, (good job on surviving TGK!). Also, TUN had 3 votes on them, right? @Elandera I honestly don't know what happened with that Lynch. Sorry for your death wizard... Devotary of Spontaneity, I dislike your last minute votes, even if in this case it might've saved a vil. It could've been a ploy to make yourself look like a vil. Either way, I'm curious about what you have to say.