Conquestor

This doesn't say if you're suspicious of them or not though! Why make it a 50-50 tie? I do appreciate that your voting, but other than the whole tie thing, do you want to see Wizard saved or see Tun dead? Well, I guess there is the third option of seeing carnage and making hings more interesting, but that's not very village helpful. EDIT: What TUN? I mean, yes he voted late, but if your worried about your friend getting exed, then you might step in no matter what.

Votes this cycle: Wandering Wizard: Joe, Conq, TGK The Unkown Novel: Kas (Voted for him twice?), JNV Kasimir: TUN I'm still very unsure about you wizard. It just seems like (I said cycle 1), that you are trying to fly under the radar and to not get yourself exposed, which I see more as an Elim thing to do. It's also interesting that Fifth tried so hard to protect you, going as far as to make himself an open target to do so. I am actually leaning more towards Tun being vil, but only somewhat.

Wait? What lens? This seems pretty important... Are you someone that is more active in pms than in the thread wizard?

Well, I was going to go after Fifth this time, but I'm glad we could catch him this time! Having two votes on wandering wizard didn't do much before he got off, but I'm curious to see how he'll react when he has the time for it this cycle. Also, I said so much last cycle that I'm kind of posted out. I'll respond to stuff tomorrow. One more quick thought though... Why kill drought and not someone else?

Vote Counts so far: TUN - Wandering Wizard Wandering Wizard - Joe, Conq TGK - Kasimir, Fifth Fifth - TGK Skip to the big space between if you don't want to read my Kasimir response. Okay, I am going to make my response to Kasimir as short as I can. I already mentioned in our pm that I would be more than happy to discuss it in depth. What do you mean that I having a TLL was something that "we" already suspected? I never claimed that the knowledge I have a TLL was on par with anything. I would assume already that there was at least one VS lens in the game and now doesn't matter because they are one use. (I would classify that as useless info) This scan doesn't clear Luckspren anymore than me claiming TLL clears me. Why is the VS claim so important? Nice word! Tendentious, I had to look that one up! In my view (which I guess is biased) the moves we made were very similar and so I stand by the fact that your argument works against you. In terms of the pm confidant, I did think about that scenario and so I was thinking about ways to lessen the chance you struck evil. (One being that you tell two people and let them know who the other person you told is, so if you get targeted that cycle, hopefully at least one of them is good. Still a work in progress.) Nope, I don't know about another TLL, but a lot of pms are pretty useless, I don't get the names of people, and IT'S RANDOM. Odds are you don't get what you want. Being able to trust people is definitely the hardest thing to work around. I also feel very misrepresented by your response to my thought experiment. You pm a bad guy with what you know and they don't tell the thread. Well, message the thread and say that you pm'd this person that didn't post the info. That is some pretty nice information that's nice for the village! Also, you completely missed the point. I meant literally do that. It seems like you trust both Luck and Joe enough to tell them in a pm right? I have to concede nothing given TLLs. Agreed that no one has ride or die reads. Wasn't my first post about the village being a little riskier and you agreed with at least part of it. It is interesting to hear about past games and how they went to the other extreme, but again my point was a median between the two and not riding the extremes. Also, I wasn't around for those games and so how would I know about them? I just rejoined after 5 years. If the games were last year, are you expecting me to read every game that I've missed??? That wasn't as short as I would've liked, but not nearly as long as I wanted to go either. Either pm me is you have any questions or just call me out in thread if you would like me to respond to anything in particular. No getting into some thoughts on the cycle. This is the second time that Kasimir and Fifth have double voted on someone, which I think is rather interesting. Not only that, but the ordering is the same. Kas voting, followed closely by Fifth giving some reasoning as to why he is voting on the same person. Now, I know that TGK hasn't been the most responsive, but I find it very interesting that he decided to go with suspicions rather than with a survival vote, as I would've expected from almost anyone. I want to join him in going after Fifth, but I want to give Fifth enough time to respond and well, it is the end of the cycle in an hour and ten minutes. If you have time to respond, @Fifth Scholar.

Well, that is fair and to be honest, something that tired brain didn't think about... I can however turn your own response back on you. You claiming to have been VSed hasn't really helped, at all. Not that many people were voting for luckspren, just Joe. If a band wagon was beginning to form, that would be more of a reason to come out. Also, how do you even know that there is another TL? Only 14 of the 16 lenses made it in. Also, yes. I was not advertising to thread sharing. It can sometimes be extremely helpful and other times hurtful. This may have been me pushing back a little too hard. I was kind annoyed that people never share anything worthwhile with each other, not even to save their skins. What if someone had a pm confidant that they shared just a few things with (Their most trusted person, of course) and so if they died, that person can carry on with the knowledge of at least a few parts of what they've learned. Or, even better, you could've pmed someone to have them tell the thread that "anonymous was vsed and lost a TL, but they tracked this person last night and they didn't take a kill action or a shatter action." It is a little iffy for a person to do this for another person, in terms of thread, but not that much more than a person claiming it for themselves. It is called a claim after all. This would almost completely eliminate all the negatives of claiming something in thread that the elims don't want. I guess to sum up my points, we as a group need to have a little more trust with each other. Is there a chance you accidently share something with an Elim, yes, but what could we gain as a village? Now ALERT, this doesn't mean going around sharing stuff willy nilly (like I said, I probably went too far in my last post), but to cautiously and carefully share info. One of my problems with these games is that everyone leans too far on the careful and cautious side. There is a golden mean there and I intend to find it.

Okay TUN, I think we got off on the wrong foot. I wasn't trying to antagonize you or anything (well guess votes tend to do that...) I was just genuinely suspicious. After everything that's happened this cycle I lean more neutral or vil towards you. I dislike the idea of someone jumping on to my vote of you as purely a survival vote, especially when we still have almost a full day tomorrow. (Although I can understand that Sundays can be very busy for some people. It could be so for me.) Going back to my vote last cyle. Wandering Wizard, you seem to be keeping careful track of what is happening, after all, you seem to be rather prompt at responding to accusations against yourself. Also, a survival vote so early? I mean if you really are expecting to be full tomorrow (with the thread closing at 5pm) I could understand, but you seem to not want to at least try and defend yourself at all. Why the need for a survival vote if not for the worry you will get lynched for some reason? (I mean, I guess that sort of thing kind of happened to Ash so there is some reason to be worried there.) There is a big difference here though. You had a chance to convince us of some things that you may be mulling over in your mind and instead stated that you don't think TUN is evil but that you don't necessarily want to die. Why not jump on Fifth? The TGK train started after you posted so they were just as viable as an option. Is it because people were already naturally leaning towards TUN being evil? SPEAKING OF WHICH...that TGK train happened pretty quickly... I'm not sure how I feel about that. There is a small chance that both Fifth and Kas are elims and are trying to distance themselves by side eyeing each other, yet still voting on the same person. Like I said, I feel like this is only a small chance and couldn't post without pointing it out. I'm very interested to see how TGK will repond. As for why not leaving the votes in a tie. There are no stakes in that!!! Really though. If I were an elim and I was in that string of four tied votes and all of them were being voted by one person each, I would've told my team to leave it or maybe to even make the pool slightly bigger. With four people I would have a 25% chance of dying, but if I lived, which is the likely hood, what does the village really gain? As someone else said, I think Kas, what really gets info for a village is multiple band wagons at the same time or in the same cycle. At that point, there wasn't much, so far this cycle has been much better in terms of what is happening with the voting pool, but still not enough people are voting! I agree TUN that I would rather have a small amount of accurate information than a large amount of hazy info, but even hazy info is better than none. Okay, now on to something that I've been thinking about since last cycle. VOTES. There was a lot of talk about voting patterns and what they mean, how a good vote gets info, and even if cc is good or not (which fundamentally involves votes). Great, but what is a vote, what does it mean to vote in the first place, why vote at all, and how do I decide how to vote? 1. (What is a vote?) - Fundamentally a vote is you trying to kill someone. It doesn't matter if that's what you're intending or not, that's what a vote is. I don't even care if you're planning on changing it. With enough votes, someone dies, so every vote on a person counts (especially if fewer people are voting). What happens at the end of a cycle to someone with a bunch of votes? They die. 2. (What does it mean to vote?) - To me, and I realize that this is usually what is so divisive when it comes to these games, it is the threat of death. If a vote is essentially a death sentence, then voting is you trying to kill that person. This, at least partly, is the reason that C1 is so awkward! You need to kill someone, but who to choose with no info (as a village), or who to scape goat with all the info (as the elims)? 3. (Why vote at all?) - Most importantly though is why should you even vote? Why kill? To win of course! The elims can kill people twice as quickly with votes, so why not? For the villagers, it is their only way to win. They can't kill elims without it, most of the time. The real problem for the village is trying to find elims without drawing too much attention to themselves. For both parties, information manipulation is what is actually running these games. 4. (How do I decide how to vote?) - This is a rather monstrous question, after all, this tends to be what most people are thinking about. This is pretty much the only thing that a villager is in complete control of that cycle and something the elims have to worry about balancing with their extra kill. What one should focus on while pondering this hearty question is, what are your goals??? For elims, this is rather easy. Having anyone but my faction mates killed (how to do this without drawing attention though?). For villagers, this is a much harder since they don't know who their faction mates are. For most villagers then, it comes down to three things: not voting because killing other villagers is bad, killing to find more info (which ends up almost being the end for some people and not just the means), and finally killing based on hunches and logic. I think that these sorts of games have focused too much on finding info through the vote and not enough through other people. Is there a risk with that? Of course! I mean, my first game of Sanderson Elimination proves that, however, sharing info isn't always a bad thing. Do you give some power away, yes and maybe that'll turn around and bite you, but also, it may turn out to be the saving grace! People can lie and death can't, but the reason we are stuck so much with people sticking to the sidelines and not voting is because we put too much into voting! Talk with your fellowman and figure stuff out! Voting is a very helpful and sure-fire way to gain info, but not the only way. Sometimes you've got to take risks, especially as a village. With this in mind, I will openly declare that I have the Translator's lenses, especially since they are the lenses of the second to least importance. (Thanks JNV ) Also, I did not use it last cycle because I completely blanked on the fact that it has to be activated... (I felt real stupid pming the gm about that one.) Speaking of lenses, I believe that is what is referred to in the cycle tag. Did they end up with one person or with the elims only??? P.S. I am extremely sorry for the long post. I have been thinking about this since the whole meta discussion started on the first cycle. It kind of all came bubbling out while I was typing up what was to be a much shorter post. I had been typing this up for almost an hour and a half and so my thoughts might be really scrambled... I hope that at least one person finds this useful! Good night!

Wow, I feel like there is a lot to unpack here. What do you mean what you say has no bearing, no one has said that. It's true that I am completely unaware of your playstyle, but not only have I had at least some slight elim vibes from you, it seems like several others have had somewhat similar vibes. Nothing serious but you are still pinging elim for me enough. I agree that I don't necessarily love Kas's C1 posts, but that was the way I felt about most C1 posts. Okay, fair enough, there wasn't a ton of good discussions C1, what would you have liked to see more of in terms of discussions? Well, again this may just be your playstyle, but you seem to go very defensive when someone points you out. For me that tends to be something more elim leaning, but to be fair, no one wants to die. Especially with longer games like these. I went back through the last cycle, just to count the number of posts that we each had and you had 8 and I had 6. Both pretty decent amounts, perhaps I should post more, but at the beginning of the cycle I was getting back into the swing of things and near the end, I was rather busy. Also, my posts were much longer than your own. (This may have to do with the business of your life though, so I'll reserve judgment there.) I just feel like as the first person to really say something about you, this whole post felt, well kind of defensive. Also, yes, this post was very meaningful and so thank you for taking the time to write it.

Well, let me explain. The reason I swapped over for multiple reasons. The first was that even though I had opposed Fifth's second vote on Ash early on, at that point in the cycle, we couldn't leave things at a four way tie. I was hoping that other people would start jumping in and using their votes, which I guess kind of happened. The second reason was for inactivity and day one I don't necessarily want to kill a villager that will be more active. Day 2 is when everything really goes down! I also was able to hop on about an hour before the cycle closed and saw that Ash didn't even bother really saying anything other than "Oh my...". I wish he said more, it would've been really helpful! Also, I'm assuming that the lenses are starting to consolidate. If Kas had a lens stolen from him and both Matrim's and Ash's lenses were given to two other random people, then that is something to think about as well. Speaking of lenses. We keep talking about TL lenses, but that could be either a Translator's lens or the Tracker's lens. How about TL for the Tracker's lens and TLL for the Translator's? I would call this a very defensive post. All Joe did was throw a little suspicion on you and suddenly you come out swinging. you seem to really want to stay under the radar. You've posted enough that most people haven't said anything (except Joe in his cycle overview) and you haven't voted once. You also haven't truly shared your opinion with the thread at all. Except about suspecting Kas and then talking about how it's quiet, but without contributing to any of the ongoing discussions. I realize that not everyone writes paragraphs for posts, but it would be nice to see something a little more meaningful from you TUN. @The Unknown Novel Also, I forgot to RP. My other post is long enough that I don't want to edit to add it. If you don't care about RP than you can just ignore this post. People yelling and a lot of other sounds were coming from outside of the Queen's Tea shop. "What in the rolling rhinoceros is going on outside?" Theonandrimicrus said, getting up from his bed. "It's too early for this..." Theo started to say, but then stopped. "The Librarians!" Theo yelled and rushed to get out of bed. He quickly got dressed and ran outside, not even bothering to lock the door behind him. He saw an absolute mess and there is no way that even a Librarian could organize this. People were shouting at each other and what he heard made his stomach churn. Apparently, they had done a thorough investigation on the now late Ashbringer and he was clean. He was one of the voices that sent this poor lad to his death. What a stoic figure. The next bit oof news shocked him more! The death of Matrim's dice... He was someone that was truly trying to help the Free Kingdom's. Theo began to have tears form for the state of his beloved home and it's people, but now was not the time to wait it out. "Now about wha I have to say..."

Well, good to know, but if you had the chance. I would like to hear what you think about the current situation. @The Wandering Wizard. Wandering Wizard I feel like I have some ideas about people, but nothing officially. It seems a little too quiet for my taste. I thought for sure more people would be coming out of the wood works, but no. I also thought that more votes would be happening, but we are at the same count for a four way tie. That leaves a 25% chance that any one of these people die. We could leave it like this and go with the whole last minute tie breaking to see what happens, but none of the people on trial have voted, leaving it very much up in the air. I'd rather kill someone that's not participating this early on than someone who is not, especially if it is going to be this slow anyways. I'll cast my vote on Ashbringer, since I don't know if I'll be on again before the cycle closes. Alfonso came out covered in cat hair (How did a document get covered in cat hair to begin with?) and responded to Theo. Something felt wrong. People were being too quiet, which is saying something since Theo liked his quiet time. Why was everyone walking on eggshells??? "We are people of the Free Kingdoms!" Theo yelled once again to the room of people. "Are we just going to stop and let the Librarians take us over like everyone else or are we going to fight back?!"

So, we haven't really been able to figure out much so far, and have mostly been discussing meta things. If we're going to talk about votes and how great they are on getting information, Why are there so few votes? Apparently my fear yesterday of band wagoning was absolutely off base because right now we have a four way tie. I don't want Mat to die since he's been helpful, at least discussion wise, for the village. That currently doesn't leave very many options. The that make the most sense to me are Ash and Wandering Wizard. The reason for Ash is because he was on 7 hours ago and still hasn't said anything in thread, meaning he could have put in an attack action or anything else, after realizing that he was pretty much safe. Of course, he also could've logged in for a second just for a quick check in between his busy times. The reason for Wizard is because he immediately threw out a vote and then never did anything. (Again, could be because he has just been busy, however he was last on 30 minutes ago.) I feel like he has been flying under the radar for too long. @The Wandering Wizard Theo was still feeling some anxiety about being watched by so many people. He took another look at the crowd, however and noticed someone who seemed to be watching from the shadows. Alfonzo Smedry. Theo heard about how he had said some things early on with Phil Philson, but ever since, hasn't done anything. "Alfonzo Smedry! Your supposed to help lead us, since you are a Smedry. Where have all of you gone when the Free Kingdom needs you most right now?!" Theo yelled in the middle of the Archive. Theo didn't like attention, but right now, the Free Kingdoms needed him. "Stop hiding in the shadows!"

I'm good for any nickname, but it seems like you guys decided on Conq. Okay, let me go into how I feel about voting, especially cycle 1. I feel that the first cycle is all about the interactions and what you do and say. This allows players to see how that changes as a game continues. The reason that I voted for Fifth is because I was worried about early band wagoning, since that happened so much in games I was in. It never seemed like a good way to solve problems. Once he answered my questions with some good reasoning, I saw no reason to keep my vote there. So, what is the reason for your vote on me @Matrim's Dice? Do you genuinely wanting me to die this cycle, or something else? As for the whole idea of causing a tie, I both love and hate the idea. First off, it could reveal relationships and connections between players, on the other hand, someone might see themselves as a vigilante and try to save someone. It really doesn't give as much info as random voting and seeing what that person says. Also, like what Mat said, I do appreciate you taking it easy on me, but what's the point of Sanderson Elimination if I don't have to be worried about dying??? Just treat how you would any player and if I die early, I'll just join the next game. Also, this whole talk about meta is new to me. It makes sense though, so I guess I'll be more watchful about that. What is the current meta and what does NAI mean??? I know that this is getting long, but @A Joe in the Bush I also remember that game! I felt so betrayed and then I played my next game and understood perfectly what happened! It very much helped me to have a healthy respect for PMs!!! As Grischuk took Theo's hand, he noticed that a lot of attention was put on him. "Oh, deary me. What have I done?" Theo whispered, his palms beginning to sweat. He never really did like attention, that's why he worked at a tea shop and not as a lens crafter. He walked to the side and began the watch the crowd carefully. People were beginning to talk strategy and how we should go about finding the librarians. What to do? It was all such a mess. EDIT: Also, to count up the votes so far: Mat = 2 Ash = 1 Conq = 1

"You make a good point." Theo said looking at the man. "Although, I have to wonder about all the other random accusations goin around." He stepped up to Grischuk and put his hand out for an apologetic hand shake. "I realize that you are new around here and I apologize for my rudeness. As you can see, not everything is going well around here." Fifth Scholar Also, does everyone know me because of that game??? As I said in one of my pms. "Yes, I do still feel a little embarrassed about that... I should've known that I wasn't going to be able to really run the game. I was pretty young at the time. I wanted to try so badly and then got overwhelmed pretty quickly." I'd also like to officially apologize to @Elbereth & @Darkness Ascendant for that whole thing... I would like to try again at some point, now that I'm older, but that won't be till next year at least so I can play several games.

"Huh, another slow day at the tea shop." Theo grumbled to himself. Ever since the fire the other day, it seems like no one wants some tea! Theo looked out the window and it looked like the end of days or something. Everyone was running around like chickens with their head cut off and there were a bunch of people from outside the Free kingdoms. "Maybe those dang librarians are up to something." Theo said to himself again. He did that a lot, it helped him to think. "I guess I should go and help to figure out this mess." He closed up thee shop and walked over to the "Royal Archive" where everyone seemed to be congregating. Why couldn't we organize everything in here and still call it an archive? Theo thought. It would be so much more helpful for finding what you wanted. He once spent an entire 6 hours looking for one blasted book! He walked in to a bunch of people prowling around looking suspiciously at everyone and others who seemed really lost. It was a mess. Some people were even starting to gang up on people. It was all for the sake of finding out "information", but he wondered if there wasn't another purpose at hand. He decided to speak out against this. "Fifth Scholar, why are you and Kazed (Kasimir) so intent on having Ashbringer talk?"

Hello! It's been forever since I've actually done a Sanderson Elimination game. I was thinking about it since I just finished Rhythm of War. (I was late since it came out on my mission). If there's room for a rusty return player, I'd love to join! I also haven't read Alcatraz vs the Evil Librarians, but this looks like fun! May the World welcome: Theonandrimicrus Hathor the Third... also known as Theo.

I knew you would join! You want to mess up my first game, huh?

Reserved for player list and questions. Player List. "Does Kelsier use misting powers once per game, or once per cycle?" Once per game. "1. Is there a restriction on the number of actions you can perform in a cycle? If there are multiple actions, can you perform the same action multiple times? 2. How does Feruchemical Storing work? Can you Store and Tap a metal on the same turn? 3. Just to confirm: Copper does not protect from Atium?" 1. 2. No. 2.You can tap or store, but not both. 3.Correct, copper does not protect from Atium.

(Will add in write up later) A World Without Vin Housekeeping 72 hour cycles. Ties result in blah blah blah. This game is role madness. There are secret roles. Not every role will be in the game. The Nobles are attempting to kill all of the Skaa and keep Preservation alive. Rebel Skaa goal is to equal to or outnumber the villagers. They have a group doc together and a group kill (excluding Kelsier). Ruin is a single player who is trying to kill Preservation’s Vessel and the rebel skaa. Alignment Roles Ruin is a single player with the ability to create PMs (single cycle, free action), spy on PMs (only those of the person targeted, not the person they’re responding to), and make a kill. Kelsier is the leader of the Rebel Skaa. He may use each Misting power once, or he may use the use of that power to attempt to convert a Part Skaa to his team. He may not do both. He also has two charges of Atium, which may be used to discover roles. Preservation is a Noble role who can roleblock a player for a cycle (including roleblocking PM-making for the next turn) or give a random Allomantic or Feruchemical role to a player for a cycle. Preservation cannot die to either the lynch or the eliminator kill. Special Roles These roles can and will occur simultaneously with other roles. Part Skaa: if Kelsier targets a skaa-blooded player with his conversion ability, that player will be converted. Metallurgist: can give two people a vial of metal each cycle. You must specify which vial is wanted. Vials can be passed between players. This role is not given to Mistings. Kandra: can make two PMs between yourself and one other person each cycle. PMs only last one cycle from when made. (You do not have to send an order in to make the PM.) Roles The Lord Ruler has one vial/charge of each Misting and each Ferring power. Assassins are able to make one kill per night cycle. Hazekillers are able to defend one person (cannot self target). If that person is attacked, then the Hazekiller kills the attacker. The person attacked still dies. Allomancy/Feruchemy Mistings have start the game with three vials of their metal. Mistings can only use their abilities once a cycle. Ferrings can store thier metals, but it takes a cycle to store. The ferrings only get one charge, at first. Mistings Iron: protects from steel kill Steel: attack one player Tin: target a person and find out what action they took (in the form of “killed [x]”, “protected [y]”, etc) Pewter: extra life for cycle burned Zinc: move a vote onto another player Brass: doubles a vote Copper: protects one player (along with self) from zinc, brass, and bronze Bronze: discovers which metal (if any) a person burned in the last cycle Ferrings Iron: self-protect Steel: roleblock a player (including PMs for the next cycle) Tin: spy on the PMs of your target (you do not see the PMs of the other side of the conversation) Pewter: protect a player from skaa and Assassin kills Zinc: see anyone who targets you (but not what actions they take) Bronze: see the type of action your target took (Allomantic, Feruchemical, or Other) Gold: extra life for that cycle (Will add in timer later. Expect it to last for a week.) Quick Links:

Hey Joe! I join the Steel Ministry! So, when do I get my bands of mourning? Oh, and the bands better do something! Anyway, it "sounds" like there is a lot of discussion going on and Seonid is evil, but I wont vote yet, because even though there is a point against Seonid (A pretty good one for sure), I really don't have any evidence to vote against him. I will vote later, however.

What do you mean?

I totally agree, but I rather think that DA (Dumbledore's Army) is doing some rather suspicious things, like the quick vote on Alvron right after SilverBlade, and the group pm. I would really like to know about that group pm @Darkness Ascendant.

Yes they are, the poor unfortunate spiked mistborn that pulled that. "I just can't believe that Ruin would have his servants collect that very useless power!" Mr. Hoid said.

Well, now we can try to see how many roles there are out there. Plus we can see that there is a secret role, or items do things, but a crazier theory is that there are secret roles, and items do things.

Uh, what about a truce Stink?

Why would the eliminators choose her? They might have been able to get her lynched today, unless they are going to attempt to lynch someone else. Also, we might as well as lynch Stink, I have no clue who the spiked, so, unless someone has a better idea. Stink. "Ah, there goes another one," Mr. Hoid said. when was he going to be targeted? When was Ruin's servants going to come for him? He supposed it didn't matter, time would get him eventually.