Lewis Nethur

Dear god...no offense, but I absolutely hate that everyone keeps trying to make hybrid hemalurgy a thing. Lol. Yeah, no, that'd probably work just fine. Yes, I 100% agree that inception magic, memory extraction, memory deletion, and memory transfer should all be totally possible with the type of hybrid magic described, you monster. One can also achieve the same effect with a little care, attention and a single Breath though so like...what the heck are we avoiding by ultra-over-engineering a way to not have that talk... You're probably right though, at least by my figuring.

Yeah, I think, unfortunately, lirin and wistiow had pretty darn good and viable plans for their children to follow. The winds of fate are fickle things though, and plans are ever the first casualty on any field of battle. =/ This type of thing is why looking into the spiritual realm is dangerous for one's mental health if you ask me...

I disagree completely! Stuff like this is what is meant to fill the art and design pages of books that are 10 years out from being written friend. A bendalloy wrist-mounted fabrial that rehydrates or provides caloric enrichment to its user is exactly the type of scadrian-rosharn hybrid fabrial that I'd expect to see Shallan's students' students detailing and annotating 100 years from Roshars present. Have hope! If not for yourself, then for the multiverse at large and in aggregate.

This is a very astute question. The allomantic metals are keys to Investiture and Feruchemically investing them changes their fundamental nature as keys (at least as we understand it today. This implies that, yes, a fabrial created with steel that had been infused with physical speed would fundamentally behave differently than a fabrial created with uninvested steel. Fabrials require a combination of design elements however, so I do not expect than an elementary 1-to-1 blanket relationship statement can be made about the altering effect that this interaction would have. I do believe it is 100% possible to create extremely exotic time dilating fabrials, or fortune-enhancing fabrials for what it's worth though, which could (operative word) greatly accelerate the discovery process for space-age level technology. Hopefully that speculation helps, you're deep deep deep into rafo territory if you ask me!

This is purely speculative, but I would wager that the mists are Snapping people selectively in adolescence in era2+. My justification? Wax's Most traumatic events as a child seem to all be shown on page and he's already an Allomancer during them. He lived a life of luxury as a child and, if he had been ritualistically beaten as a pre-teen, even just a little, it probably would have been brought up during his flashback scenes because of the narrative relevance. This could be one reason that the mists have become rarer and less dense in general: their power is being focused on Snapping and infusing children to protect them rather than being allowed to remain diffused and pervasive. That said, Snapping early due to trauma should absolutely still be a perfectly valid option. Individuals in precarious and violent environments as children to a similar degree as Vin and Spook would still be likely to snap before they could even speak properly...

Yeah, it works exactly like you think it does, yes. Produce a child while lighteyed=children with at least one lighteye. Produce a child while darkeyed=very high probability of darkeyed children. It's...not scientific in any sense of the word, this is magically fantastical genetics that are 100% subject to perception and the rule of cool. Alethi hair coloring and height inheritance are similarly weird if you REALLY wanna open Pandoras box... Basically, on Alethkar, Investiture (money) can make you taller, give you a different skin color, naturally different hair color, totally random and bonkers eye color combinations, and also make you immune to all disease. Tis...a very silly and wonderful place.

I believe @alder24 is correct. It would take serious digging, but i believe this is answered in-book (possibly from the Radiant crystal library...? Idk) Essentially, the source of the genetically lighteyed ruling-class of people on Roshar is the spren and deadblade bonding process. Prior to the formation of the knights radiant, eye color was not tied to socioeconomic standing. I believe it's left ambiguous whether or not lighteyed people ever existed within the population naturally, however, the Bond specifically treats the changes in eye color as inheritable to align with how medieval humans treat power and social class as inheritable. While this might seem kinda messed up, it is merely a relic of the spren once again merely emulating what they see already happening and fitting in with humanity as best and completely as they can. So...yes, if either person in a couple bonds a deadblade or a spren, all of their children shall have at least one light-colored eye. Additionally, due to the fact that spren shamelessly follow Rosharan politics, if a lot of members of your family Bond spren, more spren will be politically inclined to approach the other members independently. With that said...Roshar needs democracy, and Jasnah cannot bring it to them fast enough in my opinion. Their society is horrifyingly broken and charging at a brick wall at lightning speed and they literally don't even have words and language skills in-world to describe why. Their language for articulating leadership is one which implies genetic dominance and divine right based on arbitrary decisions made by people millenia ago and they've just...been marching in place ever since.

My money is on mechanical magic taking the cake. Breeding ferrings sounds like a great idea until, you know, they decide to be self-aware about whoever is outright pulling their strings and controlling them and just...stop playing super sweet and nice (like at the first sign of a major conflict. Cough.) And once mechanical allomancy gets going, the controls around Harmonium supply are going to go super soft super fast. The genie is being kept 100% inside the bottle today, but as soon as it's out and even a small amount of trade gets going, then anyone threatening to cut off continued trade is going to be faced with the harsh and painful reality that everyone that they've traded with previously is fully capable of cannibalizing and reapplying their Harmonium from applications of peace to atomic bombs if they're very uncreative, and even more deadly efficient machines than the best humans can ever be bred or trained to be.

After thinking about it a little more, this might actually work great. Like, if the Harmonium began burning the exact moment that the outer layer was burned off, you could potentially simulate an Investiture equivalent of a modified Leidenfrost effect. The atoms should be burned off allomantically faster than they can achieve physical contact at their interface with their environment as long as the transition from burning the insulating layer to burning Harmonium is seamless. At least by my figuring; I haven't been in a chemistry lab for a very long time though.

I'm struggling to find it off the cuff, but I believe there's a WoB that explains that Breaths are not 100% identity-less; they're generic enough to be freely passable between human bodies, but they do carry some innate "memory" of their original bestower. This isn't typically enough to have any meaningful effect on the recipient's soul, but I would expect it to completely preclude the creation of Breath-based Resonance phenomena on the basis that every cumulative breath is going to be slightly divergent from the others. From an alternative perspective...one could also argue that the Heightenings themselves are a foundational manifestation of Resonance rather than an "intended" consequence of participation in Endowment's system of Awakening. (Highly speculative)

Oh! Sorry, my headcannon thus far is that malwish technology operates by using harmonium to artificially fuel machines using unsealed medallions by extracting and broadcasting their power to other objects. Once the northerners realize this, they'll understand that they have everything that the southerners want (copious natual metalborn), and the southerners have everything that the northerners need (the ability to manufacture machines instead of breeding humans like nazis). That's how the best economic relationships work. This is years and years away though if it's not a crackpot theory. Like...book 2 of the next trilogy maybe.

Sorry, that was tongue-in-cheek on purpose. The truth is that humans can never safely burn Harmonium and live, that's the whole point of the reaction with water bit. They might be able to gamble and survive with an uncertain mortality and collateral damage rate if they're sociopathic is all. If folks wanna know for certain what the metal does without mastering magical mechanics the hard way, or paying a southerner to teach them (and risk being lied to), they're going to have to create a hemalurgic monster that can survive the operation, period. Either some kind of mistborn waterless golem, or an Inquisitor-like creature who can store all the water in their body while being sustained against cell-death artificially. Every other possible option risks, and will eventually lead, to an explosion of very-nearly atomic scale. Was just making a joke.

Let me explain: When I say they don't intersect at all, I mean that, the effect on the principles of reality for being close to a blackhole in one realm, render the normal human elements of the other realms completely meaningless. Being sucked into a blackhole in the physical realm is equivalent to being unable to think, and having an infinite and also meaningless future. IE: one ONLY exists in the physical realm. Being sucked into a blackhole in the cognitive realm is equivalent to having no detectable physical presence and being completely divorced from time, space, or Connection of any kind. Touching a blackhole in the spiritual realm is like having every record of one's existence imploded out of reality as if one never existed, never could exist, and is not real in any conceivable sense of the word. No thought. No body. No nothing. Just information that is infinitely trapped while simultaneously never having been real to begin with. A singularity. A defiance of every physical law of reality at the most basic level. At least...that's how I read it.

This is actually a really good point. A person who just completed the cinnamon challenge might be able to burn Harmonium too. Edit: on second thought, coating one's mouth with wax (the bee byproduct, not the man!!!) Might also allow one to hold a piece of harmonium in their mouth to test with.

I think Harmonium will ultimately be the great equalizer that prevents this prophecy from coming true, but I 100% agree that this vector is how people are trying to make terris evolution play out.

I would add to that list: An Inquisitor with F-cadmium could store all of the moisture in their body while tapping just enough F-gold to remain alert an oriented could probably burn Harmonium just fine. It would just hurt like torture.

Actually, I think we sort of have some evidence of what burning Harmonium does from the very first time it is demonstrated. It has never been explicitly explained, however, mechanical allomancy works essentially the same as human allomancy. Ergo, Harmonium broadcasts innate power from one body (object) to another. If a mistborn could burn Harmonium without dying instantly (like...if you made a stone golem into a mistborn) my assumption is that any person or animal it touched would become temporary mistborn, sort of like how (minor stormlight archive spoiler) This is 100% speculation, I have never heard anyone suggest such a concept before, it just makes sense in my head mechanically.

I'm not sure what's not translating. I'm just suggesting that Shasharra treated nightblood as a person. He was her life's work, she's the only one who would have. And...if she had a living moment before dying, I earnestly feel that the only reasonable move on her part would have been to expend her divine breath to make him more powerful. Not unlike regrowing the God King's tongue. Does...does that make sense? I don't think nightblood is a returned or has a divine breath that he can use to change shape or anything insane like that...=/ Edit: wait...it's been a super long time since I read warbreaker. We all still agree Shasharra had a divine breath and that she was capable of expending it for a purpose of her choosing (resulting in instant death) at any moment of her choosing right...? If that's been countermanded by WoB I need to know.

No no, I don't mean that she awakened him with her divine breath, I mean that, as she was stabbed by him and dying, she realized that, while zhe could not create an army of nightbloods, she could say the words: "My life to nightblood, my breath becomes nightblood's!" Like a dying woman's ultimate curse on all whom she regarded as "evil." Transforming him from a pseudo shardblade, into the vampiric monstrosity that he is. I may have to do some digging, but I wanna say that there are really old wobs that suggest divine breaths can do more than heal; they bring the recipient closer to the most perfect version of themselves.

Honestly, and please don't let me change your opinion cause this sounds like a fun mechanic, from a realmatic metaphysics perspective I would be more inclined to think of and treat blackholes as discontinuities between the three realms, almost like the perfect opposite of a perpendicularity. Like...a place where the 3 realms do not intersect at all. In the PR, that would look like getting crushed by gravity, slowed down in space-time so that cognition (CR presence) is meaningless, and having a future that is simultaneously infinite and perfectly disconnected from everything everywhere. Approaching it purely in the CR might render one non-sapient or unable to process thought or ever leave, and "touching" it in the SR might consume one's past, present, and future out of existence. (Your take is definitely more fun than mine though)

Alternate proposal: shashara, who had intended to make MORE nightbloods if she had been allowed to live, used her last dying breath to endow him with her Divine Breath, as, in her dying moments she saw into the spiritual realm, and foresaw that this was Endowment's will, thereby transforming him from an ordinary super weapon, into the godkiller he has become. What'd you think? I'm liking the overall cut of your jib on this, but I don't like the hemalurgy explanation.

I could never hate a fellow sharder... That said, I hope that you won't be offended if I express the (personal) opinion that your belief that Moash deserves Death are painfully misguided. I assure you that his death would not deter or prevent a single future crime, Travesty, or grievance that he doesn't commit himself; Noone who knows who he is on Roshar looks to Moash as a role model, period fullstop. They use him as a human weapon, or regard him as an active threat... He sold his soul to an Odium who was a sociopath...why not let the new Odium, who (God help us all...) is an empath, give back that pain? Let him be a ghostblood, let him mine rocks on a distant world. But don't...don't wish death on a man who has nothing...even the worst possible Odium who could ever exist would never have done that...=/

It's definitely hard beyond belief to figure out while limited to the physical realm observations available, yeah. Kelsier made some breakthroughs with apparently just a few years (give or take) in the CR (or possibly SR) though, so...the answer to some of the secrets are out there!

I haven't heard any whispers one way or the other on this subject... That doesn't stop me from speculating though if that's at all helpful! I would guess that box sets for the first 5 would meet the best market response and make the most sense from a manufacturing and distribution perspective if released for the 2025 Light Day sale. That's a total guess though, so please, take it with a grain of salt.

Fair enough, i added some formatting to my original post, hopefully that helps. Regarding spoilers, sorry for the confusion, a spoiler tag is just how I would normally treat the sharing of information that is controversial or unconfirmed. My retort to the "opinion-presented-as-fact" statement in this case is that: Some words have origins and meanings and some intentionally do not, and I don't consider what I said to be a matter of opinion so much as a fact that many readers just haven't really noticed yet because it hasn't been explained to them (which is...kinda why i thought it interesting to share at all...) . I think your pushback would have been truly valid and it would have been a really uncool move on my part posting without formatting like i originally did if and only if BS had named excisors something arbitrary and random, like widgety-wackies, or fun-ruiners. No apologies warranted, they make me uncomfortable. I make loads of errors and cause lots of problems in real life too; I hear and feel you.