Elkanah

Araris posted so I can put this here

EDIT (not anymore)

14 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Well, you can maybe remove Insanity and Tani. We honestly don’t have a lot to go on here so I’m not sure that’s unreasonable.

Why would he want to? This creates a false binary where either he admits he submitted the kill or else he has to vote for the person you want. I don't think this is nefarious, just incorrect.

6 minutes ago, Ookla the Implosion said:

K, so at this point we're pretty sure it's Elk, right?

Should we maybe talk about who the other elims might be? Those who didn't submit the kill? And connections with Elk?

But are we?? because if we are, we are very incorrect. I would love to try and figure out who is actually on the elim team. For example, at this point is there any team Turtle doesn't fit on? It doesn't especially matter because they didn't submit the kill. Tani has the bodyguard blade and didn't kill Araris, so it probably isn't you.

39 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Nope, unused charges carry over and there is nothing in the rules about a cap of 2.

Also I’m pretty sure e!Tani would have used Progression since I could have been using Chana to kill someone, and Paliah could have used Illumination on me to stop a roleblock from working. Of course in an e!Paliah world that doesn’t work.

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Honorblade Bearers carry one of the eight Shin Honorblades, whether rightfully or stolen, which each give them access to two Surges as actions. They also gain 2 Stormlight charges every Highstorm (the end of every Third Night turn - N3, N6), which does carry over if left unused before the next Highstorm.

It's interesting to me that only honorblade bearers gain stormlight. Was there anyone who has a blade, but was not refreshed with stormlight?

I will go back to review what's been revealed and try to piece together who has how many charges in a minute.

30 minutes ago, Ookla the Remembered said:

Ruling myself out, I'm still at the same PoE of <Tani, Elkanah, Infinite> which kinda doesn't help me. @Elkanah instead of voting yourself, who do you think JNV's killer is?

Of the four of us, I still most suspect Infinite Insanity. Elkanah. I don't really have any good reasons, though. Tani sounds village to me. Amanuensis is trying to solve the game and Stick went after Xino early on. That could be an attempted bus for an inactive eliminator, though. Stick has been known to do that. And I'm getting little flashbacks to MR12, but that was a loooong time ago.

Infinite Insanity is kind of a blank spot in my memory. Definitely worth an ISO. She claims not to have used any actions which means she is either lying or has been available to submit the kill. Neither seems great. You also suggested that Tension makes the most sense for an eliminator blade, and I agree.

27 minutes ago, Ookla the Paragrapher said:

Here's the cherrypicked, unsympathetic Elk case:

-D1 Elk voted Wiz for the tie but then framed it as not trusting Wiz in another post. At EoD they said they don't trust Wiz and they don't trust Bookwyrm and used that to justify some vote dancing around. I think Thrill seeking Tie Guys usually just want the tie. How often is it that your two suspects actually are both in contention? My theory would be they're just saying they suspect them as an excuse. 

-Page 4 of D2, the votes are v1:v2:v2:v2:Elk2. Mat and I switch to Stick, and, potentially making it v1:v2:v2:e2:e2 and immediately Turtle breaks the tie. Possibly because the odds of an elim dying doubled. 

-Their D3 vote comes after Chan bussed. It was a vanity vote on Xino but they took the time to say they suspected Stick a bit. Does a Tie Guy looking at a 3:4 EoD VC decide the best thing to do is make it 3:4:1? No. 

-They've gone vote on main wagon, no vote, main wagon, no vote, main wagon

 

Chan and Insanity voted together on Mat D1, which I find unlikely to be e-e. 

Sure fair enough, but why didn't I tie Stick with you? I could easily have hidden behind the fact that I like ties. Especially given Chantara was available for a last second save? 

I give you I wasn't any more suspicious of Wizard than anyone else. I knew Alvron was going to make it a tie no matter what so I decided at end of day to make it easier and let him know I would stay where I was right then so he could get the tie. I was definitely more suspicious of Bookwyrm, but it didn't matter where I landed because Alvron was going to tie it anyway. 

Stick breaking the tie worked to our advantage as it put her in the spotlight. An eliminator having to make a move is exactly what I wanted and what we got. I know people say ties don't help the village, but I contend it has in the past and it did here. You have your ways and I have fun ways 

Wow, apparently I had thoughts. Thank you for letting me air those. 

As for my other votes, I would have joined the main wagon every day probably. I apologize for sheeping. I didn't really want to be on every wagon. I said I didn't want to join a Bookwyrm wagon, but did. I wanted to stay aloof from the Stick wagon, but needed to prevent the tie because I did suspect her. I would have been on the Cash train because WOW those posts were suspicious. I was on the Chantara train and basically everyone was. My gut has not been super useful this game and I have no mechanical advantages like messaging, blades or a doc to even that playing field. Really I'm still very surprised to be alive given I'm a great mislynch target. 

Unsympathetic may be the operative term there as two of my three votes were on eliminators, but I know that could be written off as team too little too late. Except I don't think I would have been on Stick.  To paraphrase ShiningSilhouette, E! Elkanah was not a good teammate. 

2 minutes ago, Ookla the Paragrapher said:

Turtle Elk :P. 

I deserve this 

I did get forgiven by Kas, but I have seen more quokkas in that week than I had in my entire life previously.i should be admonished.

...I just realized! If we slaughter me, we can have Elk Burgers!!!

Elk Burgers

7 hours ago, Ookla the Paragrapher said:

Now that everyone's blade is public knowledge, please action claim. 

3 hours ago, Ookla the Remembered said:

The only thing Xino did was roleblock Elkanah N1.

Day one: I dishonored my cow by looking at thread PMs. I sent my action to slaughter my dishonored cow.

Night One: I offered dishonored cow burgers to anyone who targeted me. I'm not sure if Xino received one or just slapped one out of my hand with a blade. I was not informed that my action failed, so I'm hoping he was able to enjoy it and we parted peacefully.

I haven't had the time or creativity since for more actions like this, but now I wish I had. Maybe I'll come up with something today like 'give a stern scolding to anyone who changes other people's votes' or 'leave cookies and a note for the Tulare asking them to just keep the blades they have and go home peacefully.'

32 minutes ago, Ookla the Remembered said:

Could everyone who sees this post make a tier list, in a similar format to the one quoted above? Preferably with no sheeping  i.e. considering each slot from your perspective.

Sure thing!

V: Elkanah, Archer, Araris

N+: Amanuensis

N: JNV, Infinite Insanity, Tani

E: Turtle, Shining Silhouette

JNV has risen in my estimation for bussing Chantara. That would be a brutal move if they were elim together... and questionable strategy at that point in the game now that I think about it more. 

Turtle and Shining Silhouette were the other two who did not start with blades, so at least one of them is probably an eliminator. I think it's both.

Fair enough. Would it be fair to say you believe if E!Turtle then E!JNV or just the other way around?

On 12/3/2022 at 6:43 PM, Araris Valerian said:

Turtle/JNV/Chantara/Shining, in decreasing order of suspicion.

I mean, we need to consider that along with inactivity, the elim team has had poor internal communication. That sort of thing could reasonably explain e!Shining's interactions with Stick. And if all the elims jumped on Stick, that would just make them easy to catch for all being in the same place.

This team makes sense to me. I just suggested a very similar one with Chantara and InfiniteInsanity on the bubble for the fourth elim. Why did you have Turtle higher on your suspicion list here than Chantara given you knew Chantara had Illwei's blade?

Just to be clear, are you suggesting that half the team wanted to bus and the other half didn't or am I misreading your post?

10 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

What is your take on Shining aggressively voting for Stick during D3? Do you think there was doc miscommunication that led to the rapid change of tactics? 

I need to reread that section. Voting for Stick does support them being a villager. I believe they posted a distancing vote and left before the train took off.

9 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

Hey, long time @Amanuensis! Glad to have you, since I could really use the help figuring this one out.

I think the team is Shining, Chantara, Elkanah, and either Tani or Insanity. There's a remote possibility that Archer swaps for one of Shining/Elk because of their antagonism this cycle, but I give that low credence.

There's an alternate world in which both JNV and Turtle are elims, but that is making less and less sense to me.

So Turtle, Chantara. I don't see any world where Chantara is village.

I agree. I could use a fresh pair of eyes. Welcome to the game Amanuensis! 

This is a very different list. What changed in an hour? Also, is your main reason for suspecting me that I didn't start with a blade? I wasn't going to admit to that to keep up the possibility that I started with Chanarach, but Shining Silhouette confirming you were right means either you are on a team together or you got the info from Alvron. I believe you are village and therefore the latter. (Unless I just want the elims to think I didn't start with Chanarach )

Ah here they are. I still think this is correct, though I still have some information you don't have (my GM PM that says I'm village).

This was the first point this cycle where I thought "huh, maybe Araris is Tukari." I'm grateful for the follow up information.

9 hours ago, Ookla the Remembered said:

*bows respectively*

Hello. Silho right? Don't believe we've met!

Hey Araris! I can't promise to be 100% Aman this game (currently back in college and things are getting especially busy before the holidays) but will do my best and at the very least be active enough to vote.

I was following along early game and caught Stick myself; was very happy when y'all got her outta here  I cleared you and Archer for that reason, and I'm confident in V!Tani for reasons Kas mentioned early on in the game (basically a vibe check).

Everyone else is kind of a meh blob for me tho. Is there anything you all can tell me to help solidify the rest of those reads?

Hello Aman! Welcome back!

8 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

I guess I should say something about this; I know via a PM with Kas (yeah, I had the third one and know a whole bunch of other stuff) that Chantara got Illwei's blade, and also is in the 5-person group of living players that didn't start with a blade. Presumably 3/5 elims didn't start with a blade, so Bob's your uncle and Chantara's elim.

Wait... *does some math things* So if the pool is Shining, Elk, Chantara, Turtle, and VillagerGuy AND I know I am !V THEN Shining, Chantara and Turtle are !E. Sorry, that also assumes that three elims did not start with blades, but I'm comfortable with that grouping. I was not following that bob is your uncle logic. apparently I needed it spelled out. 

7 hours ago, Ookla the Paragrapher said:

1 Can someone please claim this. 

2 Confirmed village isn't confirmed right, so it's an interesting approach.

Silh and JNV's confused me

3 how about we not leave it until 2am my time to decide :D.

4,5 Well it wasn't aggressive was it. It was with four hours to go, which could be the point where the elims had given up and started bussing (remember, timezones mean the functional EoD is sooner than real EoD). It's a question of does Shining's progression make sense? Do we trust that elims fought longer - as hopefully evidenced by JNV's vote? 

Put another way, gone to sleep because the bus had begun? Or because you aren't e-e with Stick? I'm 100% sure there's one elim in Shining and JNV and I can't tell which it is. If it's as simple as they're both evil I will scream. 

JNV, Turtle, Chantara. That's Team Too Little Too Late, so your D3 elims did nothing useful. Which is believable. 

Numbers mine.

1 Done

2 No, but reasons is reasons and effort is effort.

3 It looks like we've settled at midnight  (consolation prize). I just wanted to make sure that one person can't switch and throw the vote. Coordinating four is still possible, but I think less likely at this point.

4 This is in reference to Shining Silhouette's vote on Stick. I thought it was earlier in the train and not really a threat to Stick's life (but I still need to review).

5 Ooooooh I finally get it. sorry for being slow. Yeah it's weird that JNV and Shining Silhouette would go two very different ways on the Stick lynch. That would show either they aren't teamed or one of them didn't check the doc... or maybe a disagreement? Unlikely but possible: they used it to distance. If one gets caught the other gains trust. I still think the evidence supports E!Shining Silhouette, but I admit that comes from knowing my alignment and the bladeless information.

6 hours ago, Ookla the Remembered said:

I was so confused trying to figure out how 3 people hadn't voted but there were 8 votes here lol. Turns out I counted two of Elk's votes >>

This one should finally be correct.

(3) Chantara: Araris, Silhouette, Aman
(2) Turtle: JNV, Chantara, 
(2) JNV: Tani, Archer,
(1) Silhouette: Elkanah, 

I will absolutely take two votes. I'm even okay with having both where you put them, although if you want to add them both to the train that's good too.

2 hours ago, Ookla the Remembered said:

Much appreciated o7

TBH I wasn't convinced myself by Araris' initial presentation, just wanted to add some weight to his vote and see what shook out. Then the JNV claim thing happened. I guess the crux of my problem is using Illumination over Progression, if I disregard the one post that made my gut-bells jingle. I find it really hard to reconcile that with a Villager, but I guess if you're on the newer side it's not as damning as I initially perceived.

I guess I have two questions (first for you, second for everyone else):

1. What's your mafia experience like? Have you played a lot of games in the last 9 months or are you an expat from MU? If not, how many do you have under your belt?
2. Would anyone have used Illumination over Progression in Chantara's shoes? @Ookla the Debonair @Araris Valerian @Ookla the Implosion @InfiniteInsanity @Elkanah

 

I can't say I would as a villager. As an elim it makes perfect sense and I probably would do it, yes. 

EDIT

Oops sorry @Ashbringer I forgot to vote Chantara Shining Silhouette

4 hours ago, Ookla the Debonair said:

I'm your lowest read. Does that mean I'm your greatest suspect?

 yep. It's you or Turtle or both. Probably both.

I'm mobile, so I apologize if this count is wrong but I don't think it is:

(1) JNV: Tani

(4) Turtle: Araris, Elkanah, JNV, Shining Silhouette 

(1) Shining Silhouette: Archer, 

It's weird that my two other biggest suspects are helping me lynch Turtle. Maybe that's their plan. I'm expecting an end of day hammer. I will make sure I am on to try and counter, but we should do what we can to sure up a lynch on a good target before then. 

For now, Turtle Shining Silhouette

Thank you for this analysis Archer! I've read it several times and it's so much easier than going and reading everything over again. There are a couple items I disagree with you on, but I believe you've read the whole game more times than I have. I need to do a deeper reread, but here are my thoughts first. 

1 hour ago, Ookla the Paragrapher said:

Kas votes Xino, Szeth naked votes the same, then replies to Kas' challenge with: "Wdym  Like I said I found their inconsistent stance on Bookwyrm odd. I’m also willing to go Elk or Araris." This looks like they got caught out sheeping, not that they were distancing/trying to scare Kas off by +1ing him suspiciously. 

Bold mine. I spent too long looking for this. I think you meant Stick, which I agree makes Xino look like a preferred mislynch. I believe the elims also thought I would be an easy target due to my courtship with chaos. 

1 hour ago, Ookla the Paragrapher said:

Silh then drops a reads list with Turtle and Stick as villagers and JNV as null, with what I think are the favored elim wagons, Elk and Xino, as the most scummy reads. They also say "As for voting, I think I'll vote tomorrow. Let my thoughts settle and whatnot," which I can interpret as a desire not to commit to any wagon until they know if Stick is in serious danger or not/where Kas will land. 

Silh also says "I will not vote Kas, Turtle, or Archer. Everyone else but Stick I don't really care. As for Stick is there a tactical reason for E!Stick to constantly defend Bookwyrm D1 and N1? It's a strong enough move it would have to be intentional." This is a hard defense of them that's really a hard defense. 

I didn't agree with your day read of day one Turtle. Poke votes are mostly NAI. Here though, you have a point. Shining ties to both Turtle and Stick and attempts to drive the two mislynches that Stick wanted.

1 hour ago, Ookla the Paragrapher said:

Stick names 'Kas Turtle Shining' as their three village reads. 

This is interesting in that If I was an elim I would have listed two villagers with an elim, but that leads to a spiral so I'll stop there. I can leave this one at I believe at least one of Turtle or Shining Silhouette is an elim.

1 hour ago, Ookla the Paragrapher said:

Elk makes a tie. Kas says are you sure you want to make a tie? Elk says eh, ok, I'll kill Stick. I was e!reading this this morning but I've since realized an elim would know the optics going in and be committed to the tie or bus Stick from the get go. 

Well... I almost allowed a tie. I decided to vote for the person I thought was more suspicious (Xinoehp), assuming another person I was suspicious of (Stick) would get lynched. Kas pointed out that if I didn't seal the deal, it would be easy for someone else (Alvron) to make a tie. I decided to prevent the tie. 

1 hour ago, Ookla the Paragrapher said:

To recap e!JNV helps e!Stick tie the D3 VC. E!Turtle helps e!JNV escape pressure the next Day. 

OR. E!Silh buses Stick. Reevaluation of other reads necessary. Absent from D3 voting!Turtle also fits onto this team. 

OR. E!all of them, and they were splitting their votes/bets D3. 

Either way, I'm hard clearing e!Elk. They were Stick's preferred exe. Xino was the subject of Stick's bad vote, so I'm also village reading them. 

Araris gets a pass for killing Stick. So should I.

I'm lightly village reading Tani and Insanity. Leaving Chantara to round out an elim team in place of Silh. 

These are good points and I'm guessing it's E!all of them. I am more suspicious of Shining Silhouette than Chantara at this point because of their support of and from Stick as well as their reads list.

Shortened Reads List:

Elkanah- I know my alignment.

Archer- A mix of effort clearing, gut, and that Archer was the main other train against Stick

Araris- There was no need to bus Stick that hard as an elim

Xinoehp- Was targeted by a known elim

Tani- Reads village to me.

Chantara- Hasn't posted much. The Stick vote was too much of an IKYK to read into

Infinite Insanity- I don't remember most of their posts and they are here mostly for the low activity elim assumption. This has a strong possibility of changing on a reread

JNV- For Reasons above

Turtle- Makes sense to kill Illwei. Ties to Stick. 

Shining Silhouette- Targets favored elim mislynches. Ties to Stick. 

I need to reread everything, but for now I will vote Turtle. I am considering revealing my blade and actions, but I'm going to chew on that a little longer. 

I do love ties , but fair enough. I don't have anything one way or the other on Archer and I do suspect Stick. Xino Stick

Wow, it seems several people have been down and out. I am chastened for my abysmal activity level.

That said, I'm afraid I don't have the time or ability to deep dive right now. I really felt off about Stick switching to save bookwyrm on day one and she would have been my vote day two. Then Bookwyrm flipped village and I thought, well, maybe she was just right. I currently have her at 'maybe E' and I wouldn't mind lynching her today. 

I'm currently more interested in Xino. The self preservation vote that wasn't strikes me as really weird. I need to go back and remember the other reasons I suspect them, but if I post this soon, maybe I can be a little useful to the thread. 

I'll also admit I strongly considered voting for myself day 2 to make the tie, but decided it might be just a little too destructive to the village as my flip really wouldn't have revealed much and I still suspected Bookwyrm.

Hello. I'm here. My family was visited by the Covid fairy. I've only minimally been keeping up with the thread and I apologize. I'm going to go and read this cycle and provide thoughts shortly.

Wizard

3 minutes ago, Alvron said:

Kas Bookwyrm.3 way tie.

Well... Wizard Bookwyrm For the tie

Edit:

Okay Alv you go.I'll stay

I don't really trust Wizard, but I definitely don't trust Bookwyrm. May the gods decide in favor of the village.

@Ashbringer, I don't suppose you have an updated vote count? I think I favor a large tie, but if that isn't going to happen, I'll probably switch my vote to Bookwyrm.

I have a lot here and not a lot of time. I will try to get through it all.

On 11/21/2022 at 6:33 PM, The Unknown Novel said:

Find out yourself. Since nobody actually observes PM privacy.

HAHAHAHA this is about as secret as PM's usually stay isn't it?

On 11/21/2022 at 1:01 PM, Kasimir said:

Edited to add: @Elkanah - I'll grant it could be a meta deal since the meta in our heydays was very poke vote centric, but I do see poke votes as a way to vote and to not need to be terribly controversial in contributing to trains, so I tend to want to pay attention to them.

Sorry I missed this edit before. This is probably part of it. Also, for what it's worth, I only had a poke vote on Alvron for a quarter of the first cycle. That's not super long in the scheme of things.

On 11/21/2022 at 1:44 PM, Archer said:

Oh boy. I have 15 quotes to drop, so I'm going to bold the ones that actually matter. 

are you saying it's... cowed

I feel your pain. Also, good one  

On 11/21/2022 at 1:50 PM, Alvron said:

If the dice speak, we would be wise to listen.

Deep breaths Alv.  Deep breaths.  They didn't mean it.

Nope.  Didn't work.

UNLEASH THE IZZY!

 

Jelly Araris?  

It's not me.  It's Izzy that really wants you dead.

I am immune to your puny @ summoning spells.  I require certain offerings before you are graced with my presence.  Namely time.

I approve of this message.

Weakness discovered.  No one give Araris a Blade.

I don't think you want a Wild Alvron.  A tame one is dangerous enough as it is.

This. This is why I summoned Alvron.

On 11/21/2022 at 2:12 PM, Illwei said:

Elkanah turning away from the Alv focus is a good look, since I was ready to talk about how he stayed there and even made a tie, but in a way that allowed him to ignore the game. But luckily I don't have to mention that anymore. One thing is that his vote on Alv, vote /off/ Alv, and then vote to tie with comment that Alv should show up implies a deeper connection between him and alv, one option of which being that they are teamed. Besides that though, his instant vote switch from bookwyrm to wizard is a potential good look as well as what was mentioned above. 

See above. I just really like playing with Alvron... Although, it seems like in most folklore, those who summon the powerful become their first victims 

On 11/21/2022 at 2:13 PM, Cash67 said:

A call rings through the square: “Omelets, get your High Council Omelets here!!  We got fresh chicken eggs and spinach and cheese here. Can’t defend the village in an empty stomach!”

I'm waiting for the omelet train as a counter to the pizza train.

On 11/21/2022 at 2:34 PM, Kasimir said:

How does this line of reasoning work - basically he could've let that go through as LHF?

LHF? 

Left Handed Firefighters

Lost Hidden Found

Last Hound First

Let Hoid Fight

Little High Fives

Luring Hires for Free

On 11/21/2022 at 2:35 PM, Alvron said:

Thank you for this Wei.  It made me think 'have I been evil with Elk before?'  Turns out I haven't (unless of course they played under a different name) but it did make me go through my kill list.  Turns out Elk killed me in AG2.

Someone give me Chanarach’s Honorblade!  I have a chance to cross off someone that's been on my kill list for years! 

To paraphrase Juaquin Pheonix: I get what I ___ deserve.

On 11/21/2022 at 2:37 PM, Kasimir said:

.....................................

@Elkanah

I'll burn a prayer glyph for you, that your soul will find respite in the Beyond.

Edited to add: Oh. Huh. Araris killed Alv in the last version of this game. So much makes sense to me now.

Thank you! if you wouldn't mind sending me that Chanarach blade as well, it might be more helpful (or put off the inevitable )

On 11/21/2022 at 3:03 PM, Matrim's Dice said:

I’m voting Insanity.

It seems like everyone is . Oh you mean the player. Nevermind.

On 11/21/2022 at 4:00 PM, Illwei said:

smh pizza isn't god

No but it seems to do more than a blade at this point!  It has more vote manip anyway.

On 11/21/2022 at 6:24 PM, Shining Silhouette said:

Ouch.

What if I'm just having fun?

Then you're doing it right?

On 11/21/2022 at 7:01 PM, Shining Silhouette said:

Oh yay!

You know what progression is hilarious? The progression of what SE people call me.

First I was Silhouette then I was Shining then I was Silhouette again then Silho

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

Out of interest, what do you want to be called. I try to use full names when possible, but I have tended to get lazy in the past or fall in with what everyone else is saying.

23 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Because I wanted to kill you

 

What's the point of playing these games if you are going to do the same things over and over again and not actually learn?

 

This is important.

Willing/Don't Care: <Alv, Mat, Stick, Xino, TUN, Bookwyrm, JNV, Xino, Wiz, Araris> 

Not Willing: <Elk, Insanity, Tani, Szeth, Cash, Chantara, Archer, Turtle, Illwei>

Wiz feels off.

How very Distortion of you  (see Magnus Archives)

Fun mostly, but I take your point. It's nice to get good at what you enjoy.

I notice you are not on either of these lists. Well played. That means you are on your own list which I might assume to be "eager" or just possibly "will vote for the right bribe".

14 hours ago, Kasimir said:

RP still going to be postponed, RIP. 

 

/shrug because that was a lot of Alv obsession earlier and I wondered if it was overanchoring on the poke. Moot now but I'm trawling in search of the quotes I do want and it still stood out to me on re-read.

 

First para: This sparks joy.

Second para: This does not spark joy. Hesitancy to go after a top suspect feels ? but we've litigated this.

 

If I haven't yet asked this: bro is there a reason of all the players you are especially hellbent on summoning Alv. And what do you plan to do now you have summoned him?

 

 

Theoretically this can be said performatively, but like when Conq said it in MR59: I like this. I like this attitude, and I tend to read it as being more Village, even as I disregard it because sorry Elk, not exactly going to break policy here. No birthday vote for you. Sad  

RIP

I'm glad you enjoyed!

See above. I'm just excited to play with Alvron again.

Once I've summoned him? Mostly enjoy the chaos that ensues. 

True. It should be NAI and ignored. I do still appreciate the sentiment.

14 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

Any particular reason you didnt vote Elkanah?

I didn't want to start or pile on a train for one weird post. In the end I did end up joining it and I'm likely to go back to it. I haven't seen any answers from Bookwyrm to change my mind, and there have been some comments on how this is similar to other games where he was an elim. It could still just be the way Bookwyrm plays regardless of alignment, but it is the most suspicious thing I've seen.

7 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

- @Elkanah I don't know what the VC is, as I've said, but you expressed interest in Bookwyrm earlier-- your current vote was just to tie it and I doubt that's the case now; would you be interested in moving your vote?

Yes, I'm likely to go back to Bookwyrm. He's my highest suspect at the moment. Especially where last I saw the ties are no more. (there are eight new replies though, so who knows.

7 hours ago, Illwei said:

JFDkljfhsadkjfad

Sorry, Illwei. I wish I had the time this game, but I'm afraid I don't

5 hours ago, Illwei said:

Realistically no one is going to me on at Eod, therefore things should be resolved sooner (before the majority of people go to sleep, which is probably some time EST)

You say that, but here I am probably going to change my vote at 11:30 pm (t minus 30 minutes from rollover.

4 hours ago, Tani said:

Hi! I'm alive!

I'm also sick.

What's happened in the thirteen pages of day 1 so far?

So sorry to hear that.

8 pages of Mat and Kas saying they appreciate each other's arguments but are dusgusted with their conclusions.

1 page of Elkanah enjoying himself.

1 page of in-thread PM's that don't add up to much.

1 page of memes.

almost 1 page of alignment and role distribution theorizing

1.5 pages of poke votes.

3 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Excellent >:)

IDK, a three way wagon be like that. I do wonder about them burning vote manip but the fact that it costs Stormlight in this game makes me wonder if they'd do it, though tbf, I suppose it could become a more attractive proposition given the current state of the wagons.

I don't know. Vote manip makes me a little less likely to enjoy the tie.

44 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Edit: Hey @Elkanah who just ninja’d me, do me a favor and respond to my previous tag before reading the rest of this post >>

Done. Now I need to read the rest of this post and the fifteenish other posts that followed it.

I caught up again! What do I do now? 

Sorry for going radio silent. I was trying to catch up on all the work I wasn't doing yesterday because I was having fun here. 

Probably time to control-f all my mentions.

Back soon I hope

Just now, InfiniteInsanity said:

Y'all are posting and thinking faster than my brain can handle currently. I just need a couple of hours to sort out what's going on and figure out my own thoughts before I can attempt to tell you what they are.

That's fair. I'm just spilling my thoughts onto the thread. Sorry for the undue pressure

2 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Sorry I missed this. I get it, I'm just curious how you think not voting Alv will convey the idea you don't care to hear what he says. There's also the option of starting a new train - the cycle is young yet. But this is also kind of moot as you shifted your vote.

Can someone explain to me where the Alv summoning via Mat argument came from.

I'm legit confused now >>

Solid points. It wasn't so important that I kept my vote on Alv as that I refrained from voting on Bookwyrm for one sketchy post. I figured if I wasn't moving my vote for a reason, it could sit where it was (and I could continue making jokes about summoning). A new train would have been fine, but I didn't have a target for that either. 

I was okay with them leaving their votes on Mat because it maintained the tie. That was the only reason left for voting for Mat as far as I could see. Ties are Alvrons favorite food.

I still think Shining and Insanity's votes on Mat are weird. I bet Kas is the only one with more posts than Mat this cycle, and I see both of you lurking. What are your thoughts? Is there a reason outside of summoning Alv for keeping your votes on Mat?

Just now, xinoehp512 said:

Mat (3): Shining, Insanity, Bookwyrm
Wizard (2): Archer, Xino
TUN (3): Stick, Szeth, Mat
Araris (1): TUN
Bookwyrm (4): JNV, Wizard, Araris, Elkanah

What if we made it more than 3 

Bookwyrm Wizard

We could summon a wild Alvron!

Bookwyrm Wizard

5 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Why not just vote for him if you think he's your top suspect?

Or let me rephrase this: what about Alv makes you think that a statement like "I'm not going to unvote Alv until Alv shows up" is going to one way or another alter his calculations towards you?

I think my problem with Bookwyrm is just that part of me feels like a five player team should have reined this in more. Part of me also recognises that 80% of my QF63 problems came from arguing that a five player team should've reined everything in a lot more except that didn't happen, and I was looking at the wrong layer, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm hiding behind my silly pokevote to try to not just join a train on someone. I really do want to hear what they want to say. It's taking everything I have to keep these brakes intact. although, given Xino's vote tally, I would prefer to lynch Bookwyrm over Mat. Alvron 

I guess brakes are overrated

Edit:

3 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

You are casting a self-preservation vote even though there are *checks watch* nearly 36 hours left in the cycle?

This is a good point. Still, I'll leave my vote as posted. maybe it will add a little weight to my question.

41 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Does being Elim count? :eyes:

 Not usually

41 minutes ago, The Bookwyrm said:

I haven't read all of these posts that magically appeared while I was gone.

Mat. He seems to be looking for proof in something that isn't relevant, which is suspicious.

I realize this thread is exploding like an egg in a microwave, but I'd really like to hear more about this. I don't think Mat suspecting people of working together is indicative of him being Tukari. I recognize that Kas has experience, other reasons, and a little trauma that support his suspicion; but do you have any support for this other than that Kas is suspicious of him? Please feel free to take the time you need to catch up on the thread, but I'm eager to know if there is more to this.

Being a bit blunt, this is the most suspicious post I've seen this game and there's not a lot in it. It feels like you were looking for an opportunity to be present in thread and solidify a lynch without being noticed. You are currently my top suspect and I might vote for you if we ever hear from Alvron.