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I would think the well of ascension would still exist and that one of Harmony's shardpools would be the well. TLR's palace was preserved during the catacendre because there were people hiding inside. So I think one pool is under Elendel itself. But two shards equal two shardpools, right? So there is a second one elsewhere.

Well, it is possible, but not fully confirmed: This little tidbit from OB suggests that even if the Heralds don't come from Nalthis, at least one of them might have been there at some point, or Vashar came to Roshar even before WB. Edit - opps i didn't realize until now that this wasn't the OB spoiler board. I hope I didnt violate rules.

I think its supposed to come up later in Oathbringer. I'll tell you the headline without giving away much in the spoiler tag. Up to you if you decide to view it.

Speaking of the Hoid scenes at the end of each book, I would bet the reason Hoid was actually there when Taln arrived at the end of WoK was to replace the Heralds Honorblade with a regular Shardblade.

I haven't read either Elantris or Warbreaker for long time. Time for a reread soon. I remember reading that curse but I didn't remember it as an Elantrian curse. Umm, remember that Odium was the humans deity when they came to Roshar and were named voidbringers. The Voidbringers are basiclly the ones fighting for Odium. Although, it might be true that Passion name fits better academically, I think when Odium showed Dalinar his power, Dalinar saw more hate then any other emotion. And Ruin was just as capable of acting nice as Odium, though you are right that Ruin probably would have taken immediate advantage where Odium allowed Dalinar to reconsider. It isn't the parshmen who are the bad guys here, it is their leaders. This is what this book makes clear to me. The parshmen just can't or won't switch sides because the other side had enslaved and abused their kind. The enemy here is Odium and those who follow him, be they human, listener, or spen.

I finished the book in two long days staying up until 3 am on busy work days. I’m glad I already had a head start with having read part 1 on Tor.com. I’m not going to reread it right away though. I’m going to wait a while and then get the audiobook, so I can reread it properly (without skimming the interludes or less exciting parts, just because I wanted to get to the next Kaladin, or Shallan, or Dalinar, or whoevers last chapter stopped at a bit of a cliffhanger.) That said, here are my thoughts on the book…. First off, I loved Lift and Dalinars first meeting, both in the vision, and physically face to face. Both scenes were hilarious, and Lift predictably eats Dalinars lunch. I’d have been disappointed if she hadn’t, though it seems Sanderson went too obviously out of his way for her to get the opportunity to eat it. Dalinar was visiting the Emperor’s Palace for goodness sake. Obviously, such a place would offer refreshment and something to eat for a high ranking person without even being asked. Why bring lunch? So Lift can steal it, of course. Still a fun scene. I wanted to see Dalinars reaction to her eating his lunch with her Shardfork though. I definitely didn’t think Elhokar would really fail in taking Kholinar, much less get killed while trying. I was cheering for him to learn how to be a better king. He was improving but I was a bit disappointed that he died, though not really sad. I wonder why it was so important for Wit (Hoid) to rescue what I presume is the Pattern spren that may have been in the process of bonding with Elhokar. And did Wit bond that spren? He started speaking the first Ideal, though he didn’t finish it. I’m glad the love triangle resolved itself peacefully. I hate love triangles. Now we need Kaladin to find someone special so that the “what if’s” don’t haunt him. I was right about the Dawnsingers and the Listeners being one and the same. I always assumed that Odium came to Roshar on his own, after the humans, Dawnsingers, Cultivation, and Honor had already settled in, and that the Desolations started after Odium arrived and gave the Dawnsingers new forms turning them into Voidbringers. I was wrong there. But I think the arriving humans must have been surgebinding using Voidlight instead of stormlight if Odium was their god. There are so many scenes that I would have loved to see at the end. Szeths first meeting with Dalinar and/or Kaladin. Kaladin killed him after all and has to have been wondering what's going on. Jasnah’s reaction to becoming queen. Nalan’s reaction to Jezrien’s death. If he suspects the parshmen had something to do with it….. I would have wanted to see his reaction and what that reaction would be. Moash…… I hate him, I hate him, I hate him!!!!!!! Same with Taravangian. It seems he is set in his belief that if he can’t be in charge of saving the world, then the world can’t be saved. We got to view a letter from Sazed (Harmony) to Hoid. I will be interested to see where that leads. What is it with so many from Nalthis being in Roshar? We have Vashar, Nightblood, and Azure, and the man at the lighthouse in Shadesmar asked Kaladin what Heightening he has achieved when he realized Kaladin is invested, so I assume he’s from there too. I also wonder if Azure’s blade is awakened or was it created another way. Hoid was also showing off awakening in the epilogue, though we knew he had at least achieved the second Heightening from what he said to Kaladin in prison in WoR. And I am pretty sure Azure was using Awakening to fight the Fused after Kaladin, Shallan and Adolin left the honorspren boat. I wish we could have read that scene. Those are some of my thoughts and ramblings. I really loved the book and easily give it 5 stars. Book 4 now please!?!?!?

The diagram would kind of actually fit with Cultivation a bit. To use another gardening metaphor, it would be like pruning hedges. Or maybe plowing a field overgrown with weeds so you can plant a new crop. Effective methods perhaps, but those methods aren't very nice to the people being pruned or plowed under.

I'm not really caught up with all the theories so i have no idea if anything i will mention now has been proposed before or if Sanderson has confirmed or denied any of it. Anyway, if i understand things correctly, the Parshendi are native to Roshar, predating the humans arrival or the arrival of any shards (honor, cultivation, odium). I believe i've read somewhere, though i'm not sure where, that spren and the even the unique ecosystem on Roshar existed before the shattering of Adonalsium. Correct me if i'm wrong. So, getting to my point, we know the parshendi are the Voidbringers, but it is Odium's spren that make it so. Before Odium came, presumably they were just the Listeners. However, during my recent reread of The Way of Kings, i have wondered if perhaps its possible that the humans had a different name for them. Who else thinks that just maybe the Voidbringers and the Dawnsingers are both the same --- that they are both the Parshendi

Same here. I don't have the book in written format so I can't easily look it up, but Hoid either mentions his name or there is a description because I recognized the beggar as Hoid immediately and without a doubt.

I don't think they would here the screams. Their Nahel bond is broken and I believe that is what lets them here the screams.

Oh wow!!! This thing, I did not know it!! (poor attempt at horneater accent)

I chose Roshar/Nalthis. Roshar for access to Stormlight and control over gravity. I'd prefer to be a Windrunner I think. Nalthis mostly for the longevity. If I had to choose olny one, it would defiantly be Roshar though.

I think I've also seen a WoB where he said that we had barely scratched the surface of what is possible with atium. If the same is true with Larasium, then who knows what Hoid did with it. It was part of Preservation power so it can probably do a lot more then just make some mistborn.

I'm currently rereading WoR and I'd like to mention a couple things I noticed about Hoid. Most of you have probably noticed these things too and might have even mentioned them on the forum but I don't visit the forum as often as I'd like. The first thing is in one of Shallan's flashbacks when Hoid slipped some powder into his own drink. I knew that Hoid was probably a mistborn because he had that bead of Larasium from Mistborn "Secret History", but this very nearly confirms this. Also by the Cosmeres timeline, this means that the Stormlight Archive come after Mistborn Era 1 if this theory is correct. Warbreaker was one of the first Brandon Sanderson books I read quite a few years ago and since I only recently reread it for the second time, I'm not surprised that I missed this next piece of information until now. Hoid, when visiting Kaladin in prison, was tuning his instrument and said "Perfect pitch makes this all so much easier than it once was. . . ." It seems that Hoid has gotten himself quite a few Breaths.

Lunu‘anaki is the Horneater god of travel and mischief according to Rock. The following is a few paragraphs from WoR where Rock claims to have met him. I'd use the spoiler tag but I can't seem to make it work. That sounds a lot like Hoid to me. Sigzils reaction is just more proof for me since Hoid was his master training him to he a Worldsinger. Also, could the "oceans" on the peaks as Rock calls them be shard pools?

You reminded me. I forgot to mention a Larasium/Atium alloy. I wonder if that that would turn someone into an atium misting or if the result were more drastic since they are both god metals. I feel that it needs to be mentioned either way.

So I don't know if there is a similar theory out there but I came up with this theory during my recent re-read of the original Mistborn Trilogy. First I would like to make a few points... 1) I think I remember reading somewhere that Brandon Sanderson said that the power of Atium was not explored much and that there was still some applications of the metal that remain unrealized. 2) Malatium, the "so called" 11th metal, is an alloy of Atium and gold, but Atium, being part of Ruin, would be paired with Larasium, which is part of Preservation. And electrum is the alloy paired with gold. That leaves malatium alone and without a metal to pair with..... if my logic is correct. 3) Brandon Sanderson said that pure Larasium makes someone into a mistborn, but an alloy of Larasium would make someone into a misting. (I'm assuming that an alloy of Larasium and pewter, for example, would make someone into a thug, or that an alloy of Larasium and steel would make someone into a coinshot, but I'm not sure if that's how it works) So my theory is that Atium has many different alloys, just as I'm assuming Larasium does. In fact, I think Atium (and Larasium) has as many alloys as there are allomantic metals, one for each metal, and that malatium is the one with Atium and gold. That would mean that there are at least 15 more alloys of Atium, (if my theory is correct), and they could be powerful. Feel free to speculate or criticize this theory. Or correct me on my assumptions and/or facts that I laid out if they are incorrect. I am not an expert on this stuff.

I first read the wheel of time when I was 13 and it was only my second series that I read from the fantasy genre. It took me a couple books to figure out how the magic system worked but I think that might have been partically because of the newness of fantasy to me at the time. The magic system is fairly well explained I think. I'm sure it will be worth reading. I didn't notice any drag either. I was lucky enough to be able to read the first 13 books through before I had to wait for the the last one. I agree with DSC01!

I agree 100%. Didn't like Mat half as much early on, but he defenitly became my faverive around book 4.

I myself didn't really trust moiraine when I first began reading the series about 5 years ago. But maybe it was just Rands suspicion rubbing off on me. I am rereading the series again. I started about six weeks ago and I'm halfway through book 9. Audiobooks at work are mostly responsible for my fast pace. I can't always listen but when I can, I do.

My power would be "to be every epics weakness". I could hurt/kill any epic and I'd inherit their powers if I killed them. I'd potentially be the most powerful epic. And I can't inherit their weakness. My weakness would be that if I'm humiliated, I lose all my powers until the next sunset. I generally wouldn’t care about ruling openly. I would be an assassin who sometimes seeks out his victims and sometimes likes to draw them to him. My favourite strategy would be to eliminate all epics in an area and make it seem like an ordinary person did it. Epics would soon arrive to put that person in his place and I could kill them for their powers. I wouldn't let it go on too long in case someone became suspicious. After amusing myself for a while, I'd move on and let the other epics put those ordinary people in their place. I wouldn't bother giving myself a name and since I would hide my true power and intensions, people would call me by many names, depending which of my powers I chose to reveal at any given time. I would usually disguise myself so that nobody found out that this epic is the same one as the one they saw using different powers last week in another city. My costume that I'd rarely wear except when I'm alone with someone I intended to kill would be black boots with a black shirt and black pants and a black sword at my hip and a black bow and quiver full of black arrows on my back. The only thing not black on me would be my brown hair and lightly bronzed skin. PS: if I give myself a name, it might be SPIDER. I'm not fond of spiders but I think it fits well.

I chose blue. Reds sound like they'd be bad company for the most part, so no red. Whites are too unemotional. Emotion should sometimes supersede logic in my opinion. And while I like to learn new things, I don't have the mind for being as serious about it as a brown. Grays mediate, and while I might have the mind for it, I wouldn't want to make it my career. Yellows heal/fix things, and my reasons for not choosing yellow are the same as for grey. I don't have much against either green or blue, but blue would fit me better I think. I'm all for trying to change things for the better. Green would be a close second because its the Battle Ajah.