Amanuensis
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I would lowkey be impressed / astounded with myself if I was a Spammer at this point
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My perspective is that the Eliminators are at a severe advantage due to only our roles being blacked out, so they may have more players to compensate.
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Okay so, light green I trust, yellow I'm iffy on (no clear feelings), orange I doubt / suspect. If other people want to make similar lists that would be great. EDIT: And YES, Spammers. Of course I obfuscated a few reads so you couldn't figure out who "CC" is. TL;DR xinoeh512, Mailliw772, alVoidus, |257|-|, Araris, and Kidpen are my best guesses for the last few Spammers. If I had the gun I'd probably shoot Araris or Alv for conveniences sake. Heck, I'd probably choose Alv because of the tag "long live alv" in this very thread... (sorry Alv)
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Babaji only can kill once, and he just used it. And I'm not saying kill a random person. I'm saying let's narrow down a list of suspects and see if we can get 4 spammers in as many turns.
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Yeah, sorry. Meant Road. Also didn't mean to put words in your mouth just misinterpreted your statement. My bad. On that note, this is actually pretty easily provable. I recommend putting an order in on someone and posting it in thread right before turnover. So long as there's a Spammer ban that occurs too, you should be good. Honestly we have a ridiculous number of semi-cleared players right now, so it shouldn't be too hard to narrow things down.
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I wish I could be so easily convinced I spilled the beans on the naming scheme of villager roles to ensure that Devotary died. From that point forward, I can't really take anything like this too seriously. If not for the fact that I happened to follow Fifth on N1 and found out that he didn't put in an action, I probably wouldn't buy his Roleplayer claim. (Yes this is the player I pointed out in my code to Mailliw, Rand and CC, and yes, this is why I wasn't being swayed by the arguments against Fifth early on last cycle). Thanks to CadCom we know Devotary self-targeted, "Guest" was already dead by N1, and Rath was probably too inactive to put in an order at all, not to mention if he could put in an order, he would surely use his Temptation ability. So unless the Spammers are a lot bigger than I'm anticipating, Fifth would have ended up using an action of some kind N1 if he was evil. I'm not so certain that Babaji hasn't used their conversion yet. There are plenty of good targets (like Araris and Alv) that weren't really "in the know" N1, as far as I'm aware. I think we're looking at an original team of: Roleless Temptation Vodiyehi Babaji Beirst or Vashikaran More than likely, slot #5 put in the Jon kill, and will do so again tonight unless someone was converted N1, in which case we got three more. Anyway, back to my original point. I'm really wary of Rath's claim. I'm getting "cover my six" vibes to make up for his aggressive defense of a now-known Spammer, especially since he's saying his role only had a N1 scan? As for the Vigilante... they might be upset for me saying this, but the exact flavor is Contribution Crusader. They can only kill people who post less than 5 times the previous day, so the pool of options is very small. I've already combed through D2 and found out who they were. I don't suspect any of them are Spammers, so probably best to leave them be. Whether or not they decide to kill though... that's entirely up to them.
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Hm. There's no doubt in my mind that Devotary (Vodiyehi) self-targeted. But I'm not sure that would result in you being told they're an Eliminator. I also doubt Temptation chose you of all people N1 to mess with. So the only other explanation would be a villager manipulated your target, for some reason. I'm apprehensive. What's your ability tonight?
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I was going to say. No matter what I say from this cycle forward, it'll probably be best to lynch me soon if they don't kill me tonight. If I were them, though, I would probably convert someone more low key among the confirmed and just nip me in the bud while they can.
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It'll probably be a much easier pace once I'm dead
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Ah, hm. This is pretty interesting. I hadn't anticipated a second DoH. Makes me wonder if the Jon kill was random after all. As far as I'm aware, not many players actively choose to kill low/inactives when they're evil, other than me. Color me confuzzled.
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Hm. So it appears everyone voted except for Drought and Snipexe? And that neither one of them posted yesterday at all? Or, it seems, they both did, but very early in the cycle and both with explanations that they've been busy. Neither one of them is likely to be Babaji, as a result, so I'm cool with putting them aside for now. @May I suggest The Only Joe and @Snipexe, please come back to us soon. Once again, Steel has a suspicious vote and Rath... yeah. He was one of the biggest advocates of letting Devotary prove themselves, so shady. IIRC, Rae and Lum were also trying to steer us away. Honestly Lum has been triggering me this whole game so if the Vigilante could ban them tonight, I wouldn't be mad. Araris is, as usual, too hard to read which makes my gut say "kill him with fire". Also, we should briefly return to the subject of Jon. I don't think it's a coincidence he was killed Night 1. The odds of the Spammers deleting the guy PMs ride on by sheer luck? I buy that as much as I bought Devotary's Firewall Expert claim. I was a little suspicious of Mailliw since he told me he knew a Disciple role, but as I can now see, he wasn't the leak. Rand got some claims but considering I told him Roadwalker was going to die last night, I trust he wasn't converted then, so he wasn't the leak. The only other player I know of who's sent a lot of PMs was Rae, and while she did eventually vote for Devotary... This post gives me vibes ED1T: Looking at some of her later posts, Rae doesn't seem as shady. BUT I hope she wouldn't. At that point I would have straight up bused my teammate too. ED2T: Rath, Lum, Araris, ITIAH/Rae and Alv. Those are probably the 6 people I trust the least, all shenanigans considered. Would probably lynch them in that order.
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Ah, wow, that's actually a really cool role. I'm a little bit jealous Just to confirm, you were Aiel-Blooded for N1 as well?
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I feel pretty confident saying that Fifth is probably an Eliminator. It's extremely unlikely that we got not one but two double Spammer lynches going. It seems to me that the Spammers were trying very hard to keep Devotary/Vodiyehi alive, and turning people against Fifth was their answer to that. EDIT: Also yes. He definitely moved my vote. He claimed that role to me the previous day. I didn't ask him to use it on me, but he might have been trying to prove it?
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It's possible that Babaji put a kill order in for Mailliw earlier in the phase, before things escalated so heavily in Devotary's favor. If anyone wants to find each player's most recent post last turn and compare it to vote counts, that would be great. Could probably net us another lead. Otherwise I dont get why they would kill him over me (no offense) after I made it clear I have a direct connection to Temptation's killer. Not to mention I just spearheaded this death
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Sorry Devotary/Spammers. Really bad luck
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(9 + 1?) Crimsn Chanarach: Aranduensis, Adavantos, Cadmium Compounder, xinoehp512, Kidpen, High Priest of Lord Tekiel, tiny wilson, Metabardnition, alVoidus, (6) Seventh Saint: Seventh Saint, Sapphire Elephant, Elandera, NotASteelClone, Crimsn Chanarach, |247|-|, (1) Cadmium Compounder: I think I am here., (1) Aranduensis: Mailliw772, (1) alVoidus: Araris Valerian, (1) Sapphire Elephant: Furamirionind, I think this is right @A Joe in the Bush
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I'm aware of the person who killed Roadwalker, yes. I passed the info that Roadwalker was dying to Aranduensis, which probably clears him even without him proving his extra vote, since if he was a Spammer he could have likely got a protection order on him. I sincerely am sorry if you're telling the truth, too. There are just a lot of questions and coincidences, and sadly it is very hard to prove your claim, especially without PMs. If Jon didn't die I would have probably held back more to arrange something in the background.
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After CadCom claimed they were the one who attacked Crimsn, this was Crimsn's immediate reaction. Followed by... Makes me think of a conversation in the Spammer Doc going like this: Devotary: Dang, I can't believe voting on Temptation over Guest actually came back to bite me! Apparently someone tried to kill me last night and is now claiming it in thread. They think I'm Bierst. Teammate #1: Well you're not Bierst, so we can get around this. Ask for a vote manipulator to prove it. Devotary: Okay, got it. Vodiyehi: Man what a close call. So glad I protected you. Yes, I know I have a vivid imagination, and I jump to a lot of conclusions. But this progression feels a lot better explanation for Crimsn's immediate reaction as compared to that of a Villager.
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That's completely fair. If I didn't think Crimsn had a likelihood of being Babaji of all Spammers, I wouldn't care so much. I just really don't want to deal with the headache of a conversion. After all the claims that happened today I see a lot of fruits ripe for the picking.
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Which really just furthers my perspective. A part of the reason I was so hasty in getting role claims from some people, and part of the reason why I trust some very specific players because of it, is due to me noticing the pattern quickly and reaching out to people before they could effectively lie, if they were a Spammer. Devotary's role claim hit the exact note I was looking for as a telltale lie. Could it be true? Sure. But I'm skeptical until I see otherwise. Sapphire, if you'd switch your vote off of Fifth, I would be grateful. @Seventh Saint, @tiny wilson, same thing.
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Honestly I find this extremely concerning. A lot of people have come out of the woodwork to save Devotary and for what, exactly? Because they claimed to be the one role that just so happens to be immune to attacks? I don't buy it. Not for a second. Firewall Expert? Eh. My own role is Super Active. We've seen Disciple of Herowannabe. I'm aware of four others, and they each have a very specific theme. The roles are undeniably meta, but for the exception of Multi-boxer, each one is specifically related to SE in some way. To me, it sounds like the Spammers didn't get many role claims in PMs and based this fake claim on the one role we've known from the beginning. I think Devotary is Babaji. I think that he was protected by Vodiyehi, because Babaji is probably they're most valuable role with it's conversion and extra kill. I think they were trying to save it so they could maximize the effectiveness of both abilities, and now they're trying to prolong his death to at least manage one. Some people might be willing to give Devotary the benefit of the doubt, but really? I think it's way too risky. Even if I'm wrong about this, from my point of view they are 100% the best, most logical lynch target today. Sorry to say. Also, the role that killed Roadwalker? Its targets need to meet very specific conditions. I can tell already Devotary won't meet them tonight, meaning we can't prove their claim.
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4 minutes left or an hour?
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Just woke up and caught up. I really think it's a bad call letting Crimsn get out of this, but at least if Fifth is telling the truth, there isn't much loss.
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That's my bad. That should be I think I am here. I accidentally put your name because he retracted his vote from you in the same post. (5 + 1?) Crimsn Chanarach: Aranduensis, Adavantos, Cadmium Compounder, xinoehp512, Kidpen, (2) Cadmium Compounder: I think I am here., |247|-|, (2) Seventh Saint: Seventh Saint, Sapphire Elephant, (2) Aranduensis: Metabardnition, Mailliw772, (2) alVoidus: Araris Valerian, tiny wilson, (1) xinoehp512: Crimsn Chanarach, (1) Sapphire Elephant: Furamirionind, Also: Did you see my post that came an hour after Elan voted, before anyone else even considered voting for Roadwalker?
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Ah, my bad. I should have clearly just let votes pile on an inactive so we wasted Day 1 discussion
