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Also, a lot of people assume that one of the reasons Vasher went to Roshais to get a more ethical source of investiture. It would kind of defeat the point to use several thousand Breaths to create an object whose main purpose is to allow you access to non-breath Investiture.

"First, good question. The way lashings work, it does have to do with pressure. But I can't go into it. I'm going to have to RAFO that one. Again, good question." http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/4769-pocatello-signing-12-10-13/page-2#entry78020 So it does seem plausible that the change in pressure of adhesion is more complicated than it appears.

WoR I-6 So why is Vasher's new Awakened object so much quieter than Nightblood?

Twenty, we know from WoB that Stormlight is gaslike, and we know that Adhesion controls atmospheric pressure, so Adhesionprobably should be able to affect Stormlight directly. OOO! and if adhesion can be used to move Investiture around directly, causing random objects to act as centers for things like Gravitation, which would normally require a person as a focus, it might be the missing piece Kurkistan is looking for for his FTL Drive! I think that, with currently-demonstrated abilities, if you filled a spaceship with both kinds of time bubblers, a nicrosil misting, and a windrunner, you'd have yourself an FTL drive!

I don't know, Vindication. After Vin and Elend tell some very, very transparent lies that succeed in fooling Ruin, Vin thinks (HoA p.312) When facing any given thing, Ruin's chief desire is to destroy it. He is incapable of putting himself in another person's shoes, and so is incapable of reading their emotions or motivations with any subtlety. Although he would certainly take pleasure from torturing Zane in the way you suggest, if he could do it, he can't. In order to realize that he could, he would have to empathize with Zane, and that's something he can't do.

cosmere?

investiture itself?

The simplest solution (not that I'm happy with it) is that Jasnah was using a stylus to do the burning. She soulcast the tip of the stylus into fire, and Shallan was impressed that Jasnah maintained the heat consistently enough and narrowly enough to use the stylus as a sustitute pen (she would have to simultaneously convince the tip itself to be fire, while encouraging the wood just above the tip to hold firm in Stickism, and resist the urge to become fire).

To make the obvious guess, nightblood.

Human? Biotic? Sentient?

Not quite yet. Was he on Camons crew? In Yeden's rebellion? One of the soldiers Ham hung out with? Was he at the Battle of Hathsin?

Captain Goradel

Ah. Thanks.

Oudeis, thank you very much for that last post. That was one of my biggest points of confusion in the cosmere. I rememer the sense of dread I felt when I saw Elend burning the atium thinking that all that power was cycling back to Ruin--and then how confused I was when exactly the opposite result eventuated. So what, exactly, was Ruin planning to do with the atium? If burning destroys it instead of returning it to Ruin, what process was Ruin planning to use that would harvest its energy rather than destroying it?

Thanks everyone. BTW, anyone upvoting me, please upvote ccstat too--he's the one who actually got the WoB. He got me my first beautiful shiny Confirmed Theory, and there's no gift that can be given on this forum that's quite as cool as that. Share the love. Thanks again!

VindicationKnight, WoA page 212 says And now question 22 for my list: When I was looking for that quote above, I came across the following: Any ideas on why ferruchemically tapping a tinmind reduces peripheral vision? Would the same happen with allomantic tin? Does Spook have deep tunnel vision only a few degrees wide? And one last question to add to my list. This came up on the "Bendalloy aging" thread on the mistborn board: 23. Does the process that prevents light from redshifting and dimming in a time bubble also affect ionizing radiation? Are radiation levels lower than ambient inside a bendalloy bubble, or are they the same as outside the bubble? And, actually, yet another: 24. When Vasher is suppressing his Divine Breath, why doesn't he instantly skeletonize a la the Lord Ruler? Is he still drawing some benefits from the suppressed breath? If a non-Returned Awakener lived 200 years at the Fifth Heightening, and then gave up all her breaths, would she experience Lord-Rulerlian insta-skeletonization? ****** NATC, I'm not sure if I understand your scenario. What gives the blades the kinetic energy to shoot forward, instead of falling to the ground when they're summoned? Why not just summon them already embedded in your opponent's liver, and skip the whole swordfighting/ swordshooting thing altogether? That said, I could swear I've seen a WoB on a similar question, and it was RAFO'd.

Oooo! Thanks LabRat. That does change everything!

Vindication, are you asking about Koloss lifespans in the first trilogy, or after Sazed/Harmony altered them?

Makes sense. Thanks everyone. So gutfeel, what percent of people currently at first heightening would have inherited those breaths rather than buying them piecemeal? A third? more? Less? I'm assuming Oudeis and Labrat will say "less" and Dunkum will say "more"--anyone wanna propose a competing figure?

I also assumed that whatever mechanism keeps light from dimming and redshifting doesn't apply to ionizing radiation. Since none of us know what that mechanism is, I'm just leaving it aside. And yep, the extreme case would definitely create hazards and stresses of its own.

Well, there are a few things to think about, but I think there's a pretty darn good chance that using Bendalloy intelligently could greatly increase your subjective lifespan. First, there's a lot of debate about the relative impact of different factors on aging, but definitely at least some of the symptoms of aging are due to the slow accumulation of errors in our DNA across our lifespan. The rate of DNA damage depends mostly on two things: faulty processes in our own cells and exposure to ionizing radiation. Now, while you're in your bendalloy bubble, unless you have a significant radiation source in there with you, the amount of radiation hitting the bubble will be determined by the time rate of the outside world, rather than the time rate inside the bubble. So you will experience lower levels of radiation inside the bubble. Assume for the sake of argument that 20% of the effects of aging are due to exposure to ionizing radiation. Also, for the sake of argument, assume that in your bubble, time moves at 10x normal speed. You only experience 1/10 the radiation level, so you get 1/10 the damage: 2%. So, if you live your entire life inside a bendalloy bubble, by the time you have subjectively arrived at the age where you would otherwise have died (100% damage), you have recieved the full 80% damage from non-radiation causes, but only 2% damage from radiation, rather than 20. By the subjective age when you should have died, you will only have lived 82% of your life, and gain an 18% bonus on your lifespan (yes, I know this is lazy improper math, but proper math would only make things more confusing, and wouldn't change the fundamental point). Moreover, stress is both a contributor to aging and to more direct causes of death: it's linked to heart disease, obesity, etcetera. If you have bendalloy, you can eliminate time-related stress from your life. Sure, you'll still have to deal with things like social anxiety and existential angst, but I'd imagine that the loss of time pressures and deadlines would add a couple years to anyone's subjective lifespan. But yeah, despite these benefits that allow you to live longer subjectively, from the perspective of everyone else sliders probably appear to have a shorter life in objective time. Again, take the extreme case of living entirely in a permanent 10x speed bubble. All things being equal, you'd expect to move towards death 10 times faster, and have 1/10 the normal lifespan in objective time. Now, increase your lifespan by 18% because of protection from radiation, and add another 2% for protection from stress. Now instead of appearing to live 10% as long as everyone else, you'll appear to live 12% as long. If a normal lifespan is 80 years, instead of dying 8 real-world years after you're born, actually you'll die 9.6 real-world years after you're born. But from your perspective, you'll live to 96! Not Bad!

Oudeis, but wouldn't they normally pass the hoard on to an heir? And, over time, wouldn't hoards have a tendency to be combined (someone inherits from both a father and an uncle)? Sure, sudden deaths will cause some diminishment, but I would have expected Breath distribution to be more top-heavy. By the way, thanks for the spellcheck. I can't believe I wrote "hoard" as "horde". Bad nerd! Bad!

Some of these are snappier than others--I definitely need to come up with less awkward versions of several of them. Concerning the Aimians: 1. Were there any Aimians aboard the Wandersail after it left Uvara? 2. Are the Natans or the Selay descended from Aimians? 3. Are the Marebethians three-way Parshendi/Aimian/Human hybrids? 4. Did the Scouring of Aimia, the Shattering of the Plains, and the formation of the Purelake arise from similar causes? Concerning food, magic, agriculture, ecology, and atmosphere on Roshar: 5. In WoR p. 695, Wyndle says that Lift being able to "metabolize food directly into stormlight" (emphasis Wyndle's) is an "incredible talent." Aside from the Purelakers, do any other Rosharan cultures utilize a more indirect path between food and investiture? 6. Do either the Unkalaki or the Marebethians have food-based magic? 7. Obviously, the atmosphere is thinner in high-elevation places like Urithiru and the Horneater Peaks than it is at sealevel, but do the ratios of nitrogen to oxygen to carbon dioxide change with elevation? 8. Rockbuds and related plants don't seem to be productive enough to support an ecosystem or civilisation, but they do it anyway. We've seen Listeners using Stormlight to directly stimulate plant growth. Do all non-Shin Rosharan plants require and store stormlight? Is this why Lift can get Stormlight from food? 9. Alternatively, is the productivity of rockbuds due to direct Shardic intervention from either Cultivation or the remnants of Honor? 10. If Lift ate food grown entirely in Shinovar, would she still get Stormlight from it? 11. If Lift ate a Purelake kolgril, would she get more stormlight from it than she would from eating a random fish? Would she still get the same benefits from eating the kolgril that a Purelaker would, or would the process of turning the kolgril into stormlight negate its usual benefits? 12. Is crem partly composed of microscopic cremlings? 13. Is crem partly composed of microscopic crystals? Do these crystals store Stormlight? 14. Do any cremlings have a marine component in their lifecycle? 15. Is crem NPK fertilizer? If so, why isn't Longbrow's Strait covered in algae? 16. Is food production significantly more difficult or inefficient on the Horneater Peaks than it is at lower elevations? 17. Are per-capita food requirements significantly higher on the Horneater Peaks than they are at lower elevations? 18. Chasmfiend spren resemble skyeel spren. Is this because skyeels and chasmfiends are in fact different generations or different lifestages of the same organism? Concerning Hallandren: 19. In any given year, are more total Breaths sold to Awakeners or to the Returned? 20. Only Vasher and God-kings coached by priests have been shown to be able to split their breath-hoard. For everyone else, the only ways to reduce the size of a breath-hoard are to either Awaken and not take breaths back, or create Lifeless. Therefore, we would expect the size of any given breath-hoard to increase over time. So, 400 years after the discovery of Awakening, why are most Awakeners only at the First Heightening? 21. If something like the Elantrian Chasm appeared in Hallandren, could a Returned heal the land?

Jondesu, you are so right. I felt fully confident, but I was misremembering the following quote: WoR ch.21 Many, of course, is not all. Apologies for my idiocy.