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Just updated the previous post with more information.
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Harmony's forearms, someone finally agrees with me! EDIT: Orlok, this wasn't Seonid, it was Shallan. I'm trying to crop the overall explanation, but here's the essential facts. -Most likely amount of coinshots: 4 A 1 in 5 chance of being a coinshot A 17% chance that there are no coinshot clan members in any given car (except the vault car) 34% chance for 1 CC 30% chance for 2 19% for 3/4 If there is 1 coinshot clan member, the mini lynch will have the following likelihood. Chances of the Coinshot Clan benefiting from Meta's plan 87% a villager goes bankrupt except for one coin 76% chance CC gains one coin Chances of villagers benefiting from Meta's plan 12% chance CC goes almost completely bankrupt 10% chance CC loses one coin
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To reply to Zsas678, there is no cultist doc. They cannot speak anonymously, as far as I know; meaning that Bort being thrown off the train was just luck. And even so, if I were a cultist, wouldn't another cultist take the easier route? The Pooh Without A Name already had votes on him; why wouldn't they just add a few more votes to outweigh the votes on me, were I a cultist? I'd like to hear from someone in Bort's car last cycle. Why did he get thrown off?
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Sorry about that; I'll summarize it instead.
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The main reason I've spent more time defending myself is because I actually was almost lynched yesterday; I was only saved by the fact that one of the people voting for me was role-blocked. Yeah, my defense was a bit over-vigorous, but who wouldn't put all their effort in to not getting shot by a lunatic (no offense, Renegade, but I'm wondering if I could pay the assassin to visit Gavin) I'm putting a vote up for Metacognition, due to his plan for this cycle and from the last. And I summarize, due to it being against the general rules to copy-paste PMs: A mini-lynch wherein suspected Coinshots are removed of all their currency, to reduce possible damage they could inflict without being as lethal as a regular lynch, so as to not kill innocents. To show why this is a bad plan that benefits the CC, allow me to also summarize Shallan's response. It is several times longer than my summary, and the amount of mathematics used made me feel like someone had pounded spikes through my eyes. The most likely result is a villager being lynched, for various reasons including the likelihood of a Coinshot in the car, the number of Coinshots, etc, not even taking into account Coinshot misdirection. In conclusion, while I may appear suspicious, I haven't actually suggested anything that could harm the passengers. Meta has, although I'll admit the calculations were a bit... extensive. Otherwise meaning, I am far too stupid to realize Meta's plan is bad for the passengers on my own.
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Oh; I misinterpreted it. I thought you were saying only one action could be private per generation. Thanks
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They're healthy - starts coughing up crumbs and small slivers of metal - and delicious... I serve the overmind. I will not question. Bow before the Dark Alley. I serve the overmind. I obey. I serve the overmind.
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Mennet sighed, gripping the spike beneath his coat. It was impaled in what at first glance looked like a rock with vines reaching around it, but the stone had all the wrong textures for an inanimate object. The patterns were those you could only achieve by chisel, except for one detail; the patterns changed. The hellstone twisted and re-shaped itself in his hand, making its way around the spike. Not ready to give it up yet, then. He wouldn't be getting out that way. A brief flicker of light from the Atium-alloy spike, just before it was completely submerged in the stone. (Also, if I get lynched, might I request permission to write up my own death?)
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I could have sworn I got the most lynch votes yesterday... Thank god someone threw you off the train (no offense intended). Also, as we discussed last cycle, Coinshots can kill outside their car. On another note, I wish I could give you a few coins for you to get a medic. Storm the greed of the human heart (and the ruleset). EDIT: Is there a swear filter on the 17th Shard? Every time I try to write the shortened form of damnation, it gets extended to damnation. I'm forced to rely on a non-Scadrian variant.
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Once per generation seems a little restrictive - say, one action per turn could be anonymous? On another note, time to confirm all of Wyrm's fears; I'm Trying for an Heir. Male: Asher Female: Talia Once last comment; seriously, did no one try to join as House Lannister/Stark/Baratheon/Targaryen/Martell/YouGetTheIdea?
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Assuming this is yesterday's list, I had also been in the buffet car. On another note, allow me to show you the two ways the game can go for me now that I'm under heavy (false) suspicion. If we have an idiotic Coinshot Clan, they will target me and kill me for revealing that my naivite was a sham meant to make them ignore me. If we have an intelligent Coinshot Clan, they will kill my accusers if I get lynched tonight so as to implicate me. Now that I have stated Option 1 for the Coinshot Clan to hear, they will most certainly go with Option 2. No, this is not meant as a threat, just a statement, because all logic points to them trying to frame me and I very much like breathing, thankyouverymuch. This would happen regardless of whether I pointed it out; someone would die who accused me. Some of you will no doubt take this as an admission of guilt; I am innocent, but there's only my word for it. If you want to find out, kill me and see my role come up tomorrow. But if I survive a lynching by any small amount, one of my accusers will be murdered to frame me. Are you willing to take that risk? I don't want my accusers to die, because that would mean fewer passengers and more Coinshot Clan. But forget the naivety I faked earlier (despite the absurd amount here in trying to reason with the Internet). There are four possible responses I could get for this argument. I get lynched to death, and I am revealed as a passenger tomorrow morning. One of my accusers is killed by the Coinshot Clan that night, because no one knows whether a lynch is successful until the next day. I get lynched, but survive. One of my accusers will probably die, and I will survive, but will be heavily implicated and lynched to death the next day. A single person votes for me, but I come out unscathed. There are two ways this could go; first, the Coinshot Clan decides how difficult to believe (I hope) it would be for me to kill my one accuser when, were I a Coinshot, I would be targeting more active non-Coinshot players. Or two, they kill him and I get lynched to death the next day. You all see reason, an innocent is not shot and thrown onto the train tracks, and an innocent is not murdered by the Coinshot Clan for accusing me. You are being manipulated by the Coinshot Clan. At the moment, I am their reluctant weapon; a way to kill two innocents, namely myself and an accuser, without drawing any suspicion on themselves. I am an excuse, something they present on a platter after killing one of my accusers. They want anything from the first three to happen; don't give them the excuse. Orlok, Meta, I would recommend you get medical treatment if everyone sees reason, just in case they target you to try to implicate me regardless.
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EDIT: Never mind, this is the votes against me.
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Sigh. The accusation of being a Coinshot is the hardest to debate out of, by virtue of the fact that a Coinshot is expected to deny being a Coinshot. And so I will address both the arguments against me. Argument 1 - Orlok. The argument: He's too naive, he must be faking it. We have a cultist in our midst. Thank you for reminding me I haven't had the innocence beaten out of me yet - mob lynching, come over here, I have an urgent medical problem. I am too trusting, and therefore I am obviously a cultist. I can only be cured by use of rope and gallows. Now, allow me to explain my strategy to people outside the buffet car. Step 1, choose two people. Step 2, declare your unending trust for them. Step 3, sit back now that you've reduced your chances of death by 1/3rd. If we assume that there are six people in the car, then by all likelihood one of them is a member of the Coinshot Clan. If that member assumes you to be weak and gullible, they decide that you are a low priority threat, and so they target someone else who actually suspects them. My naivite was self-preservation. Argument 2 - Zas678. The argument: He's too active, it must come from the excitement of being an eliminator on his first game. I quote, emphasis mine: I was wanting to be very much active last game, which was my first, especially since I was an Eliminator. It's possible that Adamir's experiencing the same thing. Does no one else see the massive logic flaw there? This is my first forum game of Sanderson Elimination; of course I want to be active. That, and the fact that it was a weekend, meant that I didn't have anything to do but be active. As you said, it isn't just because you were an eliminator that you were so active. In conclusion, I hope you, the good travelers on the Steelway Express, see the logic and reason behind my words. I am an innocent man. Also, to try to tie the vote, I am voting for Metacognition and cancelling my other vote, because Met-al already has votes against him. I'm not sure how many votes; if enough for him to get lynched, tell me and I will switch.
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Could I bring up a possible suspect? Dowanx has the perfect cover; he is providing 'helpful' information that the ruleset clearly shows is incorrect. This may be human error, or it may be a calculated plan to make us disqualify him as a suspect because we think he's trying to help . Dowanx, anything to say for yourself? I am no longer lynching myself, instead I am lynching Dowanx.
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A few of my friends are musicians - give me a world, and I think I can get you a background theme or two for it. I can't promise anything, though.
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I wrote Renegade by mistake - I was just going through the list.
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I completely agree. I can't afford a medic at the moment, and so I need to do anything to actively discourage Coinshot Clan members from killing me. And so I am posting a list of people in my car (buffet). Zas678 Dowanx Araris Valerian Alvron Metacognition The Only Joe Renegade OrlokTsubodai
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I had said I'd vote for Zas if I couldn't vote for myself - for now, I'm voting for myself, because if I can't use pre-existing redundant biases, what can I use? That, and I will get killed by the Coinshot Clan tonight, almost certainly.
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On another note, could I ask what the 'Urbain Inquisition' is (looking at Renegade's signature)? I'm guessing its an incredibly long alliance doc, but I'm not entirely sure.
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Wait, you don't get your coin without voting? If I'm not allowed to lynch myself, I'll vote for Zas678 unless he comes online and asks me not to.
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All right then, I withdraw my lynch vote; I'm not voting for anyone today.
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That narrows it down to every Disney movie of all time.
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I agree - I'm still suspecting Phattemer, though, because I have no one else to suspect. Its like showing me a lineup of people I've never met and asking me to determine which of them has recently committed a crime/is planning to commit a crime. I can't tell, so I need to use existing biases to determine my decision.
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His hand slipped open, and a knife fell to clatter on the cobblestones, stained red.
