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  1. Orlok Tsubodai
    This might be (and hopefully will be) my last post for a few hours - I think they have a plane that we'll be boarding soon. Let me assure you - I was planning on doing my best to get you lynched today! As I said, there is every chance, and potentially a likelihood, that you are being honest. But the risks of such an approach are significant, and a lesson every SE player should have learnt is not to underestimate you.
  2. Orlok Tsubodai
    Why reveal yourself? Because had you had your way, all attention would have shifted from finding the Jeskeri to a sole focus on the Derethi - with you being left alive. If Elenion is, as you acknowledge is possible, Jeskeri, the risk of a hammer grows. I think there is a very reasonable chance that you're being entirely honest with us - and do mean well. However, to me the risk of leaving you alive, both in facilitating the continuation of the Jeskeri goal if, as is plausible, you are misleading us about being the last active Jeskeri, but also through sowing misinformation for your own pleasure outweighs the potential reward of your analysis. I've just discovered my flight is delayed.
  3. Orlok Tsubodai
    @Amanuensis, I understand the frustration of waiting for games - I haven't survived past cycle 2 for the last 5 long games I've played. Your post is hugely appreciated, in terms of material to analyse. However, I believe you to be perfectly capable of misleading us all utterly - I don't trust that you are the last active Jeskeri, for instance. On that basis, I would feel far more comfortable reducing the risk of a 'hammer' vote returning you to the senate through your death. Yes, I can ignore what you say - but knowing your propensity for deception and overwhelming desire to win, I don't think leaving you alive to whisper honeyed words to those who don't know better than to ignore you at this point is wise! Personally, I'm suspicious of Elenion - he reacted incredibly strangely to my attempt to have you ejected from the senate, and hasn't been confirmed - a scan on him to prove that he isn't Jeskeri would be my preference. I'm about to board a flight, so from about 15 minutes time I will not have internet for 3 hours or so.
  4. Orlok Tsubodai
    Aman. I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no way I'm going to support leaving you alive as an outed eliminator. Yes, you're an incredible asset to the village as a villager but currently, knowing your analysis is definitely nested with secondary motives, and predicated on a win condition at odds with the village, I think the rewards of keeping you alive are not justified - you pose far too great a threat simply on the strength of your persuasive ability deployed to mislead us. @Elenion, I'm afraid we're going to disagree again. I cannot overstate how vehemently opposed I am to this. As I said yesterday, SE games are about having fun - and mayors remove that fun for everyone but those involved in the mayoralty. I would significantly prefer to lose this game, but have most of the players enjoy it to the end than have a guaranteed village win in which I, and most other players can only follow your lead. Rest assured, if a mayoralty does develop, I will not comply with it, even if it makes strategic sense to do so. Returning to the game at hand, would you care to explain this: Avenge him?! Aman is not a villager - he's been actively working against the village. We owe him nothing but a quick death. His suspicions cannot be trusted at all - and particularly his statement of being the last active Jeskeri is suspect. Further, your statements about me in the senate doc are nonsensical. I've been at the bottom of Aman's suspect list for the last few turns - indeed, this is one of the few games he actually considers me to be a villager. And so have any number of other players - I find the idea of deserving a lynch on the basis of actually playing both confusing when I could apply the same statement to you, to Elb, or half the player list, but also counterproductive for the meta game. Yes, I was inactive earlier in the game - I didn't have Wi-Fi access during the day, and had no energy at night, but returned as soon as I could. In my mind, I think that returning from inactivity is behaviour that should be encouraged, not be grounds for lynching.
  5. Orlok Tsubodai
    I'm so terribly sorry, Elenion, for placing a vote forgetting that two hours later, whilst I was asleep, you might decide to change your vote based on a 'truce', and that I shouldn't have dared vote because I believed it was the right thing myself. Elenion, SE is a game we all play because we enjoy it and want to have fun. I will vote for whom I want because I want to do so, and retract when I want to do so, not because you've decided there is a chance my vote might inconvenience you in the future.
  6. Orlok Tsubodai
    @Elenion, Elb was wrong - it wasn't 1am for me last night, it was 3am. Tonight, though, I'm on for at least another 3 hours, and if he doesn't respond by then, my current assessment is that the risks of removing him are fully justified.
  7. Orlok Tsubodai
    @Elenion, I think there is a very reasonable chance that Aman is Jeskeri, and would like to him to convince him myself of his innocence before I remove my vote
  8. Orlok Tsubodai
    @Straw... That might prove a little unhelpful - pink is already being used as the official colour to call for the removal of a senator.
  9. Orlok Tsubodai
    Aman, rather than evidence against anyone else, I'd like you to defend yourself - how can you demonstrate to us that you are not jeskeri? @Amanuensis, What have you done that's suspicious, and how can you explain it?
  10. Orlok Tsubodai
    Gah. Something is wrong. This just doesn't feel right. But I'm sorry, Elenion. Aman has a well constructed case, and your refutation didn't convince me. Edit: can anyone explain why I can't color Elenion's name?
  11. Orlok Tsubodai
    Very well. Maill, you have my word that I shall give you my role before you leave. And please don't tell Kas, any of you.
  12. Orlok Tsubodai
    I think PM safety ought to be emphasised - I'm a firm believer in bot revealing roles to anyone - no matter how trustworthy they seem - even if it's just a vanilla villager, knowing it helps the eliminators.
  13. Orlok Tsubodai
    Unless, of course, Aman, you're Derethi? I'll give this far more thought I'm an hour or two - I promise, but can absolutely see you and Maill arranging to lynch him on a triviality to soft clear you. So whilst I'm not saying you are a Derethi, I think we ought to consider it a possibility, and one which requires a degree of thought.
  14. Orlok Tsubodai
    You wouldn't support a ceremonial lynch as a send off, would you? I'll sign up as Locke - an individual entirely uninterested in arranging coups and generally acquiring power - I swear.
  15. Orlok Tsubodai
    You think those of us implicates in stealing his heart would stay in the cult and risk him finding us so easily?
  16. Orlok Tsubodai
    I'd support the death of emilylime - her day one post expressing suspicion of Eramit, but taking a vote of him despite suspicion stood out to me.
  17. Orlok Tsubodai
    Are we allowed to continue discussion whilst we wait? We may as well use the time constructively, even if we can't lynch.
  18. Orlok Tsubodai
    Kas in words but not in actions?
  19. Orlok Tsubodai
    In case you are still here, Elb (it's only been 11 minutes since your post), I suggest we go through with lynching you, then. So Elb. Edit: @Elbereth - a notification would probably help
  20. Orlok Tsubodai
    I was hoping not to have to double post, but it's been more than 5 hours, and with the posts on two separate topics I think it ought to be fine. Now, I had been intending on merely showing my reasons for scepticism about Aman's alignment. My original suspicion was motivated by this suggestion of his: Such a plan has a few flaws in my mind. The first, and potentially most serious, is that it left the original Senate free from the threat of a scan, and in a position where protection is likely. This is significant when one considers the power the derethi get from the Senate. Not needing a Senate majority, they may be content to sit without being scanned, in a position with influence over 3 votes. Aman is a highly respected player, and is often listened to - in my opinion, the derethi ought to be quite content with him being their only senator. I was also motivated by the likelihood of there being at least one non-village senator. That said, I've become increasingly doubtful of Elb, not least motivated by Meta's post last night - the latter half seemingly devoted to throwing doubt on Aman and away from Elb. Further Elbereth has spent the game essentially tunneled on Aman - despite being active. Other than voting on Eramit, every one of her votes for lynches or in the senate has been on him - and she has, to some degree, come across to me as flying under the radar despite being active (as opposed to it being caused by inactivity). Consequently, I'm no longer quite so suspicious of Aman as I was before, and would be equally supportive of a lynch or scan of Elb - preferably a lynch, so as to ensure we can trust the result.
  21. Orlok Tsubodai
    I've now returned. I'm about to read through the entirety of the game, but before I do, I'd like to express my intense disagreement with this post of Straw's: Part of it is no doubt a reaction to the sheer arrogance of the post - the presumption that we should end someone's game to give him a little more power, despite the senator not necessarily being the best target for the lynch. I'm also wholeheartedly opposed to the idea of a fully cleared Senate. The first reason for this is that given the Senate doc is being used, it delivers significantly greater scrutiny of players - an advantage lost in its entirety if all its members are cleared. More importantly to me, though, is the potential a wholly cleared Senate presents for the game to take a turn for the dictatorial. As it stands, Senators have a deal more power than the rest of us - able to have vast sway over the lynch, and clear a player each cycle. In the event that every senator is cleared, we risk a scenario where it becomes far more difficult to disagree with them, whilst they have the power to control the direction of the game. Personally, I'd rather play a game where we risk corrupt senators, but everyone has an equal voice than have no say in the direction of the game. Essentially, @Straw, despite your being cleared, I'm afraid to say you will not have my vote to elevate you to the Senate.
  22. Orlok Tsubodai
    I just wanted to check in to say that I've had very, very little time these past few days. I finish my diving course tomorrow evening, and from there have no commitments for a week, so will return to activity. I will give the analysis I promised, rest assured, and am sorry it will be so late.
  23. Orlok Tsubodai
    @Eolhondras, thoughts to come later - I'm on holiday, out during most of the day and no mobile internet. I can promise a post with substantiated thoughts on Aman in a few hours, once I'm back from supper.
  24. Orlok Tsubodai
    We can still make this work. I have a gut feeling that something's up with Aman from his early day 1 posts, but I don't trust myself on it without further significant thought, which I'm unlikely to be able to do tomorrow. Instead, I'm going to increase the pressure on Elenion - why shouldn't we recall you? I think with normal levels of activity, we can reasonably expect this to get somewhere.
  25. Orlok Tsubodai
    Which is an awful lot more inconvenient than having it available here, and still doesn't address the advantages we derive from knowing the timings of comments made - which we do not if they are made in the doc.
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