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I doubt you could build up a resistance to the actual effects of emotional Allomancy. If you could, other effects would be resisted as well. The more a Thug used pewter, for instance, the less effective it would be. And with the amount some Allomancers have used their metals, we definitely would have seen that by know. So you would just have to train yourself to know when it is being used on you. You can kind of 'correct' it from their by actively pursuing the opposite of what the Allomancer is trying to accomplish.

Honestly, the effects of long term emotional Allomancy use on a person would likely be that they develop a dependency on it to feel certain emotions. If you are Rioted to much for a specific emotion, your brain might stop producing the chemicals that cause you to feel them. On the other hand, if you are Soothed to much for a specific emotion, your brain might start over producing the chemicals that cause you to feel them. I don't think either would be good unless it was as a prescription, like for anger management.

As for the rest of it, I wouldn't put it past Brandon to include that in later books. They are all valid concerns of the use for the use of emotional Allomancy. And I doubt it would be restricted to emotional Allomancy either. The criminal possibilities for Allomancy or any of the Metallic Arts are just as high as any other use for them.

Brandon said that the way the Listeners are taken over by Odium is similar to how Ruin controlled the Inquisitors. The difference, however, is that the Inquisitors themselves had sort of a 'hole' in themselves that allowed Ruin to take control. For Odium, this 'hole' is instead in the Voidspren, and through bonding with one, it opens the Listeners up to Odium.

Beyond that, I would disagree with the statement that they are more in the human side. Yes, Rock seems very much human in his actions. However, so does Eshonai, and she is a full Listener. Or, she did seem human. Stormform kind of messed that up. And creating the Everstorm was a bit of a dick move.

And why would it be impossible to have a working bond with both? There doesn't seem to be any requirements for Listeners to bond a spren besides the direct process. There is just a hostile takeover if they bond the wrong one. I'm just thinking being bonded to a splinter of Honor might protect them from that.

It has been said that and alloy of Larasium with any of the sixteen Allomantic metals when burned gives you the ability to burn the metal. (I'm not clear on whether this is a theory or a WoB) Personally, I think that makes sense. As far as this goes, that would mean that a Larasium-Atium alloy would grant the burner the ability to burn Atium. 

As far as a God metal that grants Feruchemy, I have somewhat assumed either Sazedium or Harmonium would do that. However, Sazed said that both of them could be made into alloys with the existing Allomantic/Feruchemical/Hemalurgic metals to create sixteen new alloy each with their own properties as far as using them goes.

I think that the only effect of this would be awful. First, I doubt this would have the same effects of a frontal lobotomy, which would be bad enough. It is a horrible procedure that basically destroyed the persona and intellect any patient it was used on. Second, the only thing that voiding a person of emotion for a while would do would likely be further deterioration of discerning capabilities and a separation from reality. Basically, it would probably worsen their condition rather than improve it. 

As far as 'entering' Shadesmar, I would have to guess that it has to do with your consciousness. Yes, in realmatics, everything exists in all three realms, but people generally on consciously perceive themselves to be in the physical. 'Entering' Shadesmar is switching your conscious perception of yourself to be in Shadesmar. Or, that would be my first guess, and it seems to fit with what is held to be true by most people.

The fuzzing is interesting. Perhaps it is the blade entering the spiritual realm when it comes to close to a spirit, which would explain it working the way it does. If it instantaneously enters the spiritual realm when it gets to close to something with a soul in it, the Shardblade would instead cut the soul in stead of the physical body.

So, we know that Horneaters are decedents from both humans and Listeners. So far, we have seen what I call Surgespren (the ones Knights Radiant bond) only bond humans, and Voidspren only bond Listeners. So, could Horneaters do both?

Just picture it, Rock bonded to a Surgespren and a Voidspren, and thus protected from Odium's control while using his power and using Surges. The first known Void Radiant, an extremely powerful new type of Knight Radiant who dominates Voidbringers all across the battlefield.

This is half joke and half serious, and I really, really hope something like this happens... It would be an interesting and awesome advancement in the story.

Let me know what you think!

About this whole theory, I disagree entirely based on Occam's Razor. When multiple possibilities are presented to explain the same thing, it is almost always the most simple.

From what we know about the Shin people, they believe that violence and hating others is wrong, and the value cultivators far above anyone else. No offense, but there is no way that they are of Odium. It is almost impossible for them to be anything but Cultivation's people.

I think it would be possible that know that the Desolation has begun, Darkness might instead join the other Radiants and try to defend humanity, but this is also a little to optimistic for me to believe until it happens.

However, he did what he did because he truly believed it was for the best. I doubt he will delude himself into believing that continuing along that path is really for the best. However, there are some of the Knights Radiant that he might try to kill for their crimes anyways.

Kaladin is an escaped slave. He has been pardoned but Darkness may or may not care about that. 

Shallan has her obvious history to account for.

Adolin has recently become a murder, even if for a good reason, and many seem to think he'll become a Radiant.

Elhokar is shaping up to be a Radiant, but he has done some pretty bad things that may even be considered unjust even as king.

All in all, Darkness could go either way continuing on in the story, but regardless of his choice, I'm willing to bet that he will think that what he is doing is in the right.

The mists are self-aware, and currently part of Harmony. Vin used the mists because of a combination of her being chosen by them and Leras having very little mind of his own left.

I wonder if they got a bit of Lerasium, would they be able to burn metals to power surges?

Possibly. However, I have started to assume that people on Scadrial have some innate investiture within them and that the metals just dictate how it is released. There isn't any explicit support for this, I just think it likely because Feruchemists and Nicrosil ferrings are able to store investiture.

Also, as soon as they ate Lerasium, they would become a full Mistborn in addition to being a surgebinder, so I'm not sure they would have to worry about using surgebinding on Scadrial.

I always found it strange how Shardblades can seemingly change their corporeal form:

It can slice right though a person not leaving a scratch and instead cut away the persons very soul one moment

Then It can cut through stone and block/be-blocked by other Shardblade's or plates

Roshar Shardblades primarily cut through the Spirit of a living thing. We can't be positive about why or how this is, but it has a lot to do with realmatics. However, lacking a spirit to cut through, they will simply cut through the physical object itself. The reason that they can't cut through each other or shardplate is because they have to much investiture within them. Theoretically, they also wouldn't be able cut through Nightblood, Atium, and maybe even a person with enough investiture in them, such as a Returned or an Elantrian. At least it might be harder than someone with no investiture in them.

That is not true they can but it weakens them anything not used for their intent is lost to them forever. I believe 

I don't know that this is completely true either. Otherwise, Preservation probably should have been shattered when Vin used it to kill Ati. I'm pretty sure it is just that after being integrated with a shard for long enough, it changes you to fit its intention. Leras couldn't kill Ati despite wanting to because he had to preserve as Preservation.

As for the magics being in place before I have only heard that the Spren existed before, not the magics which are too closely aligned with the individual shards to be pre shattering.

 

 

I have always felt that the Parshendi were the original people of Roshar and that odium corrupted them because they are most susceptible to outside influence via spren

I even made a theory about the Listeners and this idea a little while back. You can find it here if you want to take a look.

What about considering their use in teams, just like with mistings? For instance, a great pair would be two Mistetra (has a nice ring to it), one with all four physical (Steel, iron, pewter, tin) and one with all four mental (Zinc, brass, copper, bronze). 

So, here are some ideas for teams.

Mistcoins:

Team 1: Pewter/Tin, Steel/Iron, Nicrosil/Bronze

A wonderful three-man team perfect for finding and beating the crap out of other Allomancers

Team 2: Zinc/Brass, Tin/Bronze, Copper/Pewter

Great for infiltration/spying/scouting. Capable of sensing out and hiding from other Allomancers, twist emotions, and even a strongman to get out of a tight spot.

Team 3: Tin/Bronze, Tin/Duralumin, Bronze/Duralumin, Pewter/Bendalloy

This is a team completely for scouting. Able to sense extraordinarily well were people are and where Allomancy is being used, and someone quite capable of defending them if they are caught. 

Haven't really thought of any others yet though.

Maybe they use a language where pronouns are gender neutral and it was assumed the spy was male so that was how it got translated? These mistakes do happen.

Joking aside, it is very possible for Eventeo to be lying and its possible that Brandon decided Torena wouldn't be the spy. At the moment, it can probably be however you want to view it, but maybe it will be reveled later.

We don't actually know that though.  All Brandon has said is that they were not /traditionally/ made Knights Radiant.

However, no Listeners have bonded 'Surgespren' as I call them. That seems to be a requirement to be a Knight Radiant.

Brandon has said that different forms of investiture can be used to replace the one from someone's origin world. <Words of Radiance spoiler> We know that Vasher is on Roshar - he trains the use of shardblades and plate if I remember correctly. But he needs breaths to survive. With this, he can use Stormlight to replace breaths. Brandon said it is more difficult to do (if I remember correctly) but it is certainly possible. Also <another spoiler here> Nightblood is on Roshar as well, and seems to be doing fine without using Breaths - also theoretically due to replacing it with Stormlight. 

On the other hand, I don't know what sort of investiture a surgebinger would be able to use on Scadrial. I would guess that a Feruchemist would have to store the identity to the extent that it is zero and then store investiture and a surgebinder could use that, but it seems like a lot of work to go through. Now I have to wonder...

I can't find the WoB on this, but I swear that there is one that says that the magic systems were in place pre-shattering. The shards themselves didn't create the magic and neither did their presence. But when the shards came to rest on each of their worlds, they did start to change it into something else, with the same basic principles but some other twists to it. The only problem is that there is not yet a book with enough information of any world pre-shattering to know exactly what those changes might be. I would guess that the intentions needed to use certain ones, such as bonding an honor spren, might have changed.

The only solid example of magic changing due to the presence of a shard is on Scadrial after Sazed becomes Harmony. Instead of only full feruchemists, you also have ferrings, for example, and you also have two knew God metals. However, I don't think the change would be as drastic because Harmony is just the combination of the shards that were already on Scadrial.

We also know that at some point, something happened on Roshar that made the Listeners believe that their spren abandoned them for the humans, which I believe is a twisted perception due to the effects that Honor and Odium had on the spren when they settled in the Greater Roshar system.

I don't think that is necessarily an indication of good relations. There are several other viewpoints that could be held. 

One is that it was more of a rogue Listener who ended up sleeping with human or vise versa, like a Romio and Juliet sort of thing - not very likely, but still, some chance there.

Another would be that some humans ended up bedding their parshmen slaves. This hardly seems to far fetched, especially earlier on in the time when parshmen were being used as slaves when there were still bad feelings towards the Listeners as the Voidbringers and it was a sort of act of retribution.

Of course, there is also the idea that you presented, which certainly has merit.

Personally, I find it entirely possible that it be more than one of these possibilities, not to mention (potentially) plenty of others. 

Going back to the original question, I think a bigger question may be why they just killed Gavilar for wanting to bring back their old gods (the Unmade) rather than warning him. Wouldn't that have made more sense? It seems like there wasn't any debating with him first (if I'm remembering correctly). I think there is probably something else going on here.

As for the actual act of bringing back the voidforms (a tentative description), they were backed into a corner and I am not convinced they entirely knew what they were getting themselves into, with the exception of Venli and maybe a few others. 

It also might be possible that a different version of Hemalurgy is used on other worlds. It is probably all a similar process with similar results. However, there is a WoB (not sure were) that says that the magic systems existed before the Shattering, but that the shards changed the magic and investiture on the worlds they ended up residing on. Therefor, if Hemalurgy does exist elsewhere, it is probably not the Hemalurgy of Scadrial.

I think the simple fact that Atium and Larasium still exist says a lot for whether Harmony is one shard or two. On the other hand, so does the existence of Sazedium and Harmonium. In the end, Hamrony is both one shard, and two, just as this WoB puts it.

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BRANDON SANDERSON

Thanks, that was a very interesting read. Food for thought...

Hmm... I like the idea that Shardblades might simply be blades capable of severing spiritual bonds. But I'm not sure it fits. Nightblood hasn't necessarily shown any of those capabilities, although perhaps we just haven't seen them explicitly.

I, for one, am inclined to believe that Shardblades are any weapons either with large amount of investiture or are in some way a splinter of a shard or even both. If it is just a large amount of investiture, the shard wouldn't have to be splintered in order for there to be a shardblade of that shard.

Oh, and as far as the original theme of this topic, I think being able to use investiture in general could almost eliminate the need for an form of pharmaceuticals. With all the different uses of investiture on different worlds, there is going to be some combination that would solve all medical problems. Emotional Allomancy Therapy in combination of Elantrian's use of healing Aons practically covers all medical needs I can think of...

It should be noticed that there is a difference between sociopath and psychopath. Psychopaths are devoid of emotions, while sociopaths just lack one or more emotions, but not all of them. So if Kelsier was a sociopath, he still has some emotions that can be soothed/rioted.

This is false. Sociopaths and Psychopaths have trouble discerning between right and wrong, or find it impossible. The difference between the two is that psychopaths can't form emotional connections to other people. They both still experience emotions. 

That being said, emotional allomancy would certainly have an effect on them, but it might have different effects than you would intend it to. Rioting, say, a psychopath's happiness might trigger different things than a 'normal' person, such as memories of killing someone. You would have to be very, very careful. Soothing would certainly be safer...