phattemer

You saw nothing. 

Hmm....

What’s the optimal strategy to ensure my team wins?

Join. 

Huh, sounds like there’s more we don’t know than I thought. For some reason I thought it was clear the parsh’s god was Odium, or Passion as I think I’ll start calling him, and he was the original shard on Roshar. 

They probably did actually come from Ashyn; the Mistborn theory is pretty much a joke. 

Do we know they followed Odium? I thought the Eila Stele said they brought “their new god, without emotion”. I assumed that referred to Honor, since Odium would call himself Passion. 

The timeline doesn’t work, but anything is possible with time travel!

Good point, @Seonid. It would have to be the dilution then. 

Ok, so we’ve heard the big secret that caused the Recreance: Humans were the original Voidbringers, the invaders in the first desolation, and destroyed their  own world with Surgebinding. All good, right? Wrong. There is so much unclear here. Here’s a few things we know:

1. Humans and parsh had their own planets, with the shard of Passion(Odium) on the parsh and that of Honor on the human. We don’t know where Cultivation was, but probably with Odium.

2. Humans destroyed their planet with surgebinding and some of them made it to the parsh planet, where the books are set. Shinovar was set aside for them but they invaded everywhere else and somehow created the parshmen. 

3. The Heralds fight against the Voidbringers as part of the Oathpact, by which they were transported to Braize to fight, lose, and be tortured until one of them gave in and willingly left, starting a Desolation which would last until the enemy was defeated.

4. Spren mimicked the Heralds and created the Nahel bond, granting men Surgebinding. 

5. The Heralds eventually all accepted and led their respective orders of Knight Radiant.

So the main problem here is, in what order did the following things happen?

1. First surgebinders

2. 9 famous people and Taln become Heralds and form the Oathpact. 

3. Humanity destroys their world

4. The First Desolation 

5. Spren imitate the Heralds and form Nahel bonds. 

The Heralds were founded to fight in desolations, the first of which was ultimately caused by human surgebinders, who were created by spren inspired by Heralds. 

It’s clear something doesn’t add up here, and I believe I know what it is. 

I believe the “Surgebinders” who destroyed their world were not actually manipulating the ten fundamental forces found on Roshar. Rather, it was being used as the only term a Rosharan would understand for someone who uses Investiture. (cf. Azure’s sword, which they call a Shardblade)

Who do we know may be able to travel through space, can use Investiture, and is highly dangerous?

Maybe you’ve guessed where I’m going with this. Maybe not. 

I think the third Mistborn trilogy, which we know is a space opera, will have as a key ploy point the imminent destabilization and destruction of Scadrial, and the last chapter will include a group, with their technology lost, landing along people with skin of red and black and being given a land surrounded by mountains.

For some reason or another, Allomancy didn’t work on Roshar. Maybe they lost the connection to Preservation by being too far away, a lá Raoden’s AonDor being less powerful farther from Elantris. Or maybe it just got so diluted by the time of the invasion that no one could do it anymore. 

The Heralds, then, were probably leaders of the invasion who then formed the Oathpact during the Second Desolation to protect their new lands. 

This explains the conundrum of the ancient Surgebinders and could mean that the Knights Radiant do not need to disband- because really, is that going to happen? 

More importantly, it offers an explanation for why Szeth and Sazed look so alike- they’re related. 

"Stop!" he finally bellowed. "Stop it! Stop killing each other!"

Everyone heard the voice of Kaladin Stormblessed, the man they all had grown to respect, and dropped their weapons.

Beard began telling Sah one of his stories, this one about meeting a listener when he was only three.

Kaladin turned, and saw King Elhokar on his knees. In one hand, his son, in another... a piece of paper. Storms, was that a sketch?

In the hush that had fallen over the battlefield, everyone could hear his whispered oath, spoken with a determination rarely heard from someone who was supposed to command a nation.

"Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination."

The first ideal of the Knights Radiant. A burst of light came from the ruler, revitalizing Kaladin and healing all the wounds the soldiers had taken during the scuffle.

The illusion faded, and he fell to his knees. Shallan and Adolin were both there to witness his weakness.

"Bridgeboy, I don't think this was a good idea." With difficulty, he stood.

"I know. Shallan, I won't ask you to do that again. I just... had to know what might have been."

//tears

A Sanderson Elimination game, you say?

*strokes beard*

I haven't seen one of those in a long, long time.

But in all seriousness, I've finally found free time and inspiration, so I'll go ahead and participate as Lutha Erikell, a woman with much to hide and few places to put it.

I think you're reading into it a bit much.

This should give you all a lot of information, at least. I suggest looking to the 3rd-5th votes.

Elenion

phatt

Well. This is a lot to respond to.

I guess I'll start by explaining my first post.

I dislike poke votes, and Orlok had already said what I would have about the CC. Given how long the day is, I didn't feel the need to put a second vote on anyone, particularly since no one had posted anything. I also did want to make at least a brief post to reassure people that I was keeping an eye on the thread.

I'll vote for Elenion, on the off chance some of the people who like bandwagons decide to hop off this one.

I was referring to how in some cases a bandwagon can be formed early on in a cycle, which leads people to want to wait for the results of it before talking more. You're right that that is not likely to happen on D1.

Any Kandra, please contact me.

Yes, I'm here. While I do agree with Orlok's reasoning, I'm going to wait to vote to encourage more discussion. 

I've been waiting for this game since the first time someone brought it up in the creation thread.

Seixa.

I'm a Tineye. The last Tineye. Yay. 

But anyway, I've been in a PM with Alv for quite some time and I'm not dead yet. From that I'm fairly confident that he's not an Eliminator. Ecthelion

Sorry I haven't been posting at all; I've been sick this week. 

I'll be reading through the last few threads for a bit.

I'll sign up, since I'll be home by the time this begins. Exisa makes his flashy return.

I'll have to ask my source to clarify, but afaik, they had not put in an order.

Does anyone know of a role or item that makes the target use their power on given people?

Seeing as we clearly have to deal with Eliminator vote manipulators, I think it's a good idea to cement our focus on one target. Right now, that's DA, mainly for me because I can't think of a good reason to start mass PMs except to get people to claim; having everyone know you're a Tineye doesn't exactly help anything. PRACTICE PM SAFETY PEOPLE.

So there's some sort of Janitor/Cleaner then...

I will say that certain information may or may not have come to me which could neither confirm nor deny that some potential items have little to no actual use.

To be fair, while I was aware of vote manipulation, it wasn't at the forefront of my mind while I made my previous point. I'll go ahead and withdraw my vote on bugsy and instead vote for Jondesu, who seemed awfully eager to hop on any bandwagon 

Also, since the Elims could and probably do have at least one vote manipulator, any lynch we do needs to have at least some margin, or they can pick and choose who dies.

While I see why you may have those concerns, it seems to me that anyone who switched their vote at the last minute would pretty blatantly stand out, and furthermore that claiming something is dangerous early on is a common eliminator move who hope to gain commendations for recognizing the threat.

This "vote train" is actually both a method to see who is actively reading the thread and to draw out people's opinions on something innocent like it.

With that in mind, I'll do as bugsy asks and withdraw from the sequence in which I voted for doc12.

So to fix this Lopen

Doc12

Guys, if you post more than once this is going to get very confusing.