phattemer

No, there weren't any role revelations or even hints in the doc until after Araris was dead.

2 hours ago, randuir said:

ions that he reckons there's 1-2 elims in the synod doc. We now know he was one of those elims. I reckon he's probably the only one,a s it'd be in his interest to guess high if there was only one, and emphasis there likely only being one if there where two. That way, if he died, the synod would be suspicious if they didn't have to be, or become complacent when they should still be suspicious.

I'm one of three remaining Synod members- the other two in there can confirm if they like, but I'll understand if not given they may not want to reveal themselves. If someone claims I'm not, either I'm Spiked or they are.

Given rand's analysis and the fact that there were originally only six of us, I think it's definitely not a good idea to kill the only remnants of the ruling council we have left (:P).

I'm personally still suspicious of Steeldancer, not least because they seem so determined to vote for me.

Steeldancer:

D1: fluff and stuff

was voted on by Araris- it's a common ploy for elims to vote for each other early on to split suspicion if one of them gets found out. Of course, I myself voted for Araris briefly that day, and it's entirely possible it was at random.

Eventually votes for Coop, who was the copper ferring. Personally, I thought it was pretty obvious what role he was claiming, and it would have been very easy for Spiked to also realize such and swing the vote in his direction.

Mentions they dislike the bandwagon, and prognosticates that elims wouldn't do something like that so both are likely to be innocent. It turns out to be correct.

N1: Suggests no information was gained from the first lynch

Claims they didn't take Coop's claim seriously, seeing it as a last-ditch attempt to survive. I can see this being true, but his claim read very true to me personally. 

"Heh why am I even bothering to defend myself? If I'm an eliminator, and on Itiahs team like Rand thinks, then it doesn't matter what I say, my goal was to save itiah. If I'm villager, I'm telling the truth about my motives and shouldn't feel obliged to explain them anymore. Typical of me, constantly overexplaining myself."

 D2: Starts with a gut vote for Rand, which is followed in quick succession by WFY and Araris. Steeldancer appears quite taken aback, and switches to Araris.

Another person mentioned Steeldancer has been a successful serial killer and been elim several times. If they were newer, I'd be much less suspicious, but these posts don't feel like an experience player's village style.

Player List:

1. Rathmaskal- Didn't say much D1 because of IRL things, has done a lot of vote counts and started the bandwagon on Snip (he was the second vote) My thoughts: Providing information like an unannotated vote count can go either way: is he an elim trying to build cred or a villager trying to be helpful? He does mention he feels a bit like the fall guy for the Spiked on the snip lynch, and I'll give him an innocent read for now.
2. Xinoehp512- has voted for Itiah ("I know this is a bandwagon, but I don't have any other ideas") and then for Snip. Has no other posts. I'm going to go ahead and say I find that very suspicious, and put Xino as a top candidate for Spiked.
3. Steeldancer- v.s.
4. Randuir- Did the original role analysis, which, much like a vote count, is an easy way to contribute without arousing any potential suspicion. Made the original vote on Coop, which led to his death. Did a vote count and exhorted people to vote. The next day, pointed out the close vote gives us quite a lot of information. Due to the nature of the interaction with Steeldancer, I don't think it's likely both of them are Spiked. Notes which people voted on Coop after his claim- Kidpen and Steel were the two not up for the chopping block. Was the target of the three random votes at the start of Day 2. Rand's had quite a bit of great analysis and has been more active and in the thick of the things than I'd generally expect an elim to be. Almost certain he's village.
5. I think I am here  Village Steel Ferring
6. Bort- said they've been busy and would be on more this weekend, hopefully. There's nothing to look at here, so let's move along.
7. Cadmium Compounder- was away Day 1. Asked what caused the response to save Itiah. Was suspicious of Snip early on, but waited to hear from him before voting. Seems fine, hard to read from not a lot of volume.
8. _Stick_ - Raised concerns about the generic kill action, which he said was very likely to hit a villager. Hopped onto the ITIAH wagon. Later did a long analysis post being suspicious of Kidpen, who'll we'll get to in a moment. Also mentioned they were suspicious of WfY. Stick seems fine, a solid village read from me.
9. Jondesu- has only posted anything of substance once, last day. Suggested players who had never been voted for may be suspicious. An interesting idea, but also could very well be an attempt to relieve pressure on fellow Spiked.
10. Kidpen- Says WfY's comments were NAI, then votes for Coop saying his claim was overly vague. However, he also said it was obvious what he was going for. He's one of the most suspicious I have, and I'd actually place him above Steeldancer after reading everything. Worth noting he said he had "gut reads" on me and Steeldancer.
11. Elandera  Village Pewter Ferring
12. Snipexe  Village Iron Ferring

13. Worldhopper from Yolen- It's her first game, and any suspicious activity could be chalked up to such. If she were in an Elim doc, I'd think some of the things she's done wouldn't have happened (the second vote on Rand D2), so I'll say tentative village.
14. Alvron Village Full Feruchemist

15. Phatterner
16. Ark1002\ or I'm pretty- hasn't done anything of note, I believe it's also their first game. Thinks WfY is suspicious. No idea, potential village or possible Spiked.
17. Araris Valerian  Spiked Pewter Ferring; Rug Merchant
18. Coop772  Village Copper Ferring

19. Sart, Posted a vote count and voted for ITIAH as the first one to do so. Voted for Snip as well, and did another no-info vote count. Said they suspected Xino. I am highly suspicious of Sart, and he's definitely in my fantasy Spiked roster.

TL;DR Sart, Steeldancer, Kidpen bad.

Whoops, meant to include my vote: Kidpen

I keep the rules open in another tab, Cadmium, and here's what they have to say about zinc:

-Tapping one charge lets a Ferring move a no-vote to any player, or negate a player’s vote. This can negate a previously negated vote.

-Tapping 3 charges lets a Ferring also move the vote of another player that voted, in addition to their regular vote manipulation.

I assume "regular vote manipulation" means the power from tapping one charge, so tapping three would let them effectively move two votes, as long as they pick someone who hasn't voted.

I'm not quite so eager to meet Ironeyes: Steeldancer Snipexe

(also, very well put Alv)

My vote on Araris was more facetious than anything, and I wound up not on Coop since his claim read very honest to me- I distinctly remember what it felt like to be new and how he reacted seemed exactly how one would.

I'll add that I'll vote for Steeldancer, since it's a common eliminator ploy to talk a lot without saying much, and that first post of this cycle feels that way.

Well, I'd prefer not to leave it up to RNGesus. Araris, Itiah

A long, long, LONG, time ago, in a game known only as LG12, a very wise man said this.

Ok. I know I said 'can u not' but I think this has to be done. I apologise especially to Hero who has to see this all over again.
 
I think we have to distinguish between three things:
1. Lynch discussion [i.e. the discussion that goes on as we decide who is suspicious and who should be lynched, etc.]
2. Lynch kill [i.e. the actual information gleaned from someone being killed off and Hreo telling us about their role.]
3. Lynch discussion with the explicit intention to kill.
 
Let me explain why these are separate things. Let's say we kill [a random player]. We find out he's a given role. That's all the information we get from the lynch kill. (2.) Now, we may get more information from the lynch discussion: e.g. who was pushing hard for their death? Who defended them? Who abstained? Who is advocating what? Notice that this information may not even be related to them or about them. So, the information obtained from a lynch discussion (1.) is separate from the information obtained from 2. but it may complement it. It is also clearly more expansive, and in a sense, less definite.
 
Well, what about 3.? I separate this because we can simply sit here right now and agree we will kill no one today and then discuss. Or we can sit here and discuss with the intention to discover a candidate who will be lynched. I think it is important to note I say, 'with the intention'. Why? Because our discussion can be oriented around/guided by an intention that ultimately gets overruled. There is nothing that stops us from deciding at the end of Day 1 that we don't really want to lynch anyone today after all.
 
But.
 
A. If we start out saying that we shan't lynch anyone today, the lynch discussion becomes toothless because the stakes are virtually nothing. No one has any reason to comply or to participate in the discussion. 
B. Beginning with a commitment to lynching does not mean this commitment is not or should not be defeasible.
C. This is an LG. I, at least, tend to be less uptight about lynching off the bat during an LG. If it were a QF, I would not at all stress the defeasibility of an intention to lynch and would rather we lynch right away.
D. ...Mislynches happen. I don't mean to be gung-ho about lynching. My point is that if they haven't stopped us in most previous games, I find it somewhat difficult to see why they should stop us now. [unless, of course, the suggestion is we wait a day or two and then lynch. But once again, I am a supporter of 3. I think this is a decision that must emerge from discussion rather than both pre-empting and precluding it.]
 

With that in mind, I'll vote for Araris since he's one of the few people here I have any chance at reading.

And keep in mind that someone is guaranteed to die by the lynch each cycle per the rules. Another detail some may have missed- I know I did- was that only the number of votes on each player will be reported- NOT the names of those who ultimately wind up voting for them.

As a few others mentioned, if you're a villager with nothing else to do, please consider putting in a kill order. There's no way the Spiked will let the opportunity to thin us down twice as fast slide, and since only one can go through each night it's impossible to actually harm the village through it since you at least have the possibility to hit a Spiked.

Citona Vinid, a seemingly rule-abiding member of the Lord Ruler's society, but one with a dark secret...

And apparently my return also marks my 1,000th post. How about that.

Voting for Madagascar

What I mean is hat there were definitely points where I coulda have left the vote alone and had a tie between two non-Drake players. If you think I’m a skaa, maybe go after them too. 

Well, if we’re doing self-Preservation now: roadwalker

I’m not really sure what to say in my defense except that I believe drake wasn’t even one of the members of the original tie. 

Voting for Sart

Kill roles: please don’t kill people if they’re not suspicious enough that you could convince everyone to lynch them. 

Randuir, I don’t know what you were reading, but I ensured there wouldn’t be a tie specifically so that there’d need to be a lot of vote manipulation to make a difference. 

This is a good start, and I’d like Alv to explain more why exactly he  wanted a tie vote- to find out what would happen doesn’t feel like a true explanation. 

roaddrake

Roadwalker Asterion

You underestimate my power.

Asterion

Drake

Asterion

Drake

2 minutes ago, phattemer said:

Well, to make sure somebody dies and we get something out of this:

Roadwalker

Asterion

Well, to make sure somebody dies and we get something out of this:

Drake Marshall

Roadwalker

It’s from The Emperor’s Soul, a novella set in the same world as Elantris. They were the leaders of factions. 

Dibs on Slytherin. 

Alright, let’s get down to business (to defeat the Skaa). We all should keep in mind that, while it’s true that even if we kill all of them we Nobles will lose if our house doesn’t have the most favor but (not to give you any flashbacks, Aonar) in this faction game the Eliminators are the most important, and most favor is gained from killing them anyway. 

Here are the favor values, for those of you who don’t want to go to another page:

Kill a Skaa- 15 

Start a Lynch on a Skaa- 5

Participate in such Lynch- 1

2 200 word RP posts- 5

2 200 word strategy posts- 5

attending Noble ball- 5

I know some people will want to make sure their house wins, but as you can that’s really only attainable by finding the rebels. The ball is limited to one person per house, so it’s pretty much a reward for activity. 

We do need to keep an eye on the Skaa victory condition.(@DroughtBringer is it based on live nobles or total?)

I’ll just remind you all they need 25 Skaa Support points per noble, and they get them the same way we get favor, except without any for lynching. Because of this, we should be particularly suspicious of active people who don’t vote, or who seem to act like their vote doesn’t matter.

On the topic of being suspicious: DOC SAFETY, people! It is almost guaranteed there is at least one skaa reading everything you write- I recommend NOT sharing roles of you haven’t already- set up an anonymous area at the bottom so the most effective Mistings won’t be targeted. 

And another thing: there isn’t really a consistent way to find skaa using roles, so we need to get voting- there isn’t going to be more information coming!

I’ll start off the festivities with a vote on Drake Marshall. What’s your opinion on all this?

You know, I think your description of Ron was the first SE post I ever read. 

Turn Barrel Tuesday, as the kids say these days, to Roger De Dree and Alex Wunkel, quite possibly the least memorable characters I’ve ever come up with. 

Look, I’m not saying Lutha would totally be interested.

But Lutha would totally be interested. 

Hidden knife? Blackmail material? Lutha knows nothing of these.