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Just now, StormingTexan said:

He also said the flashback character could be dead. 

I'm aware of that WoB, which is where the second half of my question came from. 

So if Eshonai is really and truly dead, was Brandon just straight up lying about her getting a book in the SA? Or is there still going to be an Eshonai-centric book, just via flashback sequences?

If I've submitted my law school apps as planned by next Tuesday, I'll finish it the same night it's released lol. 

JASNAAAAAAAAHHHH 

I CANNOT WAIT A FULL WEEK FOR THIS ISH 

1 minute ago, Agent34 said:

I assume she's the yellow-white stonewalker?

The voidspren that Kaladin talked to a few chapters ago, yes. 

Is Kaladin's control of the storm the resonance for windrunners (Brandon has mentioned every order has a unique effect from mixing surges)? 

Just now, Toaster Retribution said:

Nine divided by three is three. Bondsmiths are of Odium.

One divided by three is .333, which is half of .666 THE DEVIL'S NUMBER - Jim Carey, in that god-awful movie 23 

2 minutes ago, Stark said:

If only you had misspelled it as the ten Geralts...

Anyone down to play some Gwent? 

1 minute ago, Steeldancer said:

Um... no. They didn't all break. It was when the first one broke, or perhaps when a new one broke. So each desolation got worse with a new Unmade

I think we all need to chill on the authoritative "this is what definitely causes a desolation" statements when all we have is a vague nod of approval from Brandon that amounts to a RAFO. 

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INTERVIEW: Mar 8th, 2014

WOR-University Bookstore (Paraphrased)

AHOYMATEY

Is a Desolation caused when a Herald breaks under torture?

BRANDON SANDERSON

This person is asking the right kinds of questions.

7 minutes ago, Aminar said:

9 Heralds broke the Oathpact. One died and did their time. 9 Unmade for 9 heralds. Come on. That math is easy. 

He said "one for each herald that broke under torture." Before the start of every new desolation, all ten heralds broke. Including Taln. So no, according to his stated theory, there would be 10 unmade. 

2 minutes ago, What's a Seawolf? said:

"The art on the walls was more enigmatic. A solitary figure hovering above the ground before a large blue disc, arms stretched to the side as if to embrace it. Depictions of the Almighty in his traditional form as a cloud bursting with energy and light. A woman in the shape of a tree, hands spreading toward the sky and becoming branches. Who would have thought to find pagan symbols in the home of the Knights Radiant?"

The latter two are Honor and Cultivation, do we know who the bolded segment is supposed to represent?

It reminds me a little of the Ishar art that was released, actually.  Obviously he's not hovering, but does have arms outstretched before a 'blue disk.'

But my guess would be Adolansium, or even Odium.

Ishar/Tezim! Check out the endpaper illustrations, right here: https://www.tor.com/2017/10/26/revealed-the-full-endpapers-from-brandon-sandersons-oathbringer/

Edit: Actually, you're right, the in-book description doesn't match up perfectly with the endpaper illustration. Huh, that is really weird... got no clue who it could be now, Adonalsium seems to make the most sense. 

Just now, Steeldancer said:

OMG THIS IS AN AMAZING THEORY. 

But that doesn't make numerical sense, all the heralds broke under torture in previous desolations, including Taln. There would have to be a tenth unmade, and WoB and in-world knowledge have made it clear there are nine. 

It was pretty cool that the endpaper illustrations were being described in-world just a few days after we saw them... I had a mini nerdgasm when I read Jezrien's mural being described by Shallan. 

I found it pretty cool 

Just now, Stark said:

I think there is an Unmade for each Herald that broke under torture.  So this is Shallash's unmade?  If I'm right?

The unmade have existed long before the last desolation, and there are nine, not ten, so no, they don't correspond perfectly to the heralds. 

I desperately want to know what happens when an unmade bonds a human/radiant now... I CANT WAIT TWO WEEKS FOR THIS damnation BOOK

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So,” one of the men said, a handsome, muscled fellow with arms that seemed too long for his body, “I assume we’re heading down into this awful crypt of terror?”

“Yes,” Shallan said. She thought his name was Drehy.

 

who's ready for the Shalladrehy shippers!?

Stormfather's stated mission really makes me wonder why he chose Gavilar first. 

3 hours ago, Ramza1890 said:

Do you think perhaps that this is why Dalinar's memories of Evi are starting to return? Because the Nightwatcher is focused on the looming invasion and because of that Dalinar's Boon/Curses lapsed?

I have a hard time believing that it's anything to do with the nightwatcher; otherwise we'd see Mr. T and Lift's boons/curses coming undone as well. 

Just now, Daishi5 said:

Adolin is just REALLY bad at intrigue.  Which is going to be a big problem for him, with even Amaram agreeing to be tried for murder by Dalinar, Adolin will have to be punished when he lets his secret out.

I tend to agree with the theory that Adolin will end up being exiled by Dalinar once the secret gets out; not sure how I feel about the concurrent theory that Adolin will go on an odyssey to revive his blade while in exile, but I do think the exile part is almost a given based on what we know of Alethi laws and Dalinar's moral code. 

Well I'm glad that our "the copycat killer is an unmade" theory was actually right! I feel like the 17th shard has become unmade-paranoid lol, seeing ancient, evil spren as the answer to every mystery. 

On another note, I'm surprised at how quickly Shallan learned that Kaladin killed her brother - I expected this to become clearer when she learned more about Helaran via Mraize, but I'm glad that we don't have to waste dozens more chapters of Shallan hating Amaram for the wrong reason. 

Also, no wonder Hoid has liked Shallan for such a long time - she's an even better storyteller than he is! 

14 minutes ago, Yata said:

We don't know if that attack happened in the physical, it's possible the Unmade arrived and he did some stuff that result in the men's deaths. Or maybe he simply inhabitated some temp stuff (Thunderclast style) to do this

Anyway I belive the Shardblade could be able to interact with him and with a bit of workaround a gemstone could be placed to interact with the Unmade....The Artifabrian know stuffs on trapping Spren, probably they are unable to capture the Unmade, but their knowledge could be still useful

Disagree strongly, the way Nohadon phrases it makes it pretty clear that the attack happened in the physical realm. You'd have to stretch awful far to interpret this as an attack that occurred in the cognitive or spiritual realm. If it were Yelig-nar possessing a thunderclast or something he would've just said that a thunderclast broke into the chancery. 

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"All of my wordsmen were slaughtered when Yelig-nar broke into the chancery." 

So yes, I think we can pretty definitively say that the unmade have some physical form, or at least a way to appear in the physical realm and actually touch/kill things. 

19 hours ago, grinachu said:

I don't think the Unmade can be physically fought.  I think they have to be bound, possibly by Navani and her artifabrians. 

They might not be able to be defeated by physical means, but they definitely have physical form and can therefore be physically fought since we know that Yelig-nar once broke into Nohadon's chancery and slaughtered all his scribes (WoK Chapter 60, Dalinar vision). 

The interesting bit to me that no one has really commented on yet is that the Aimians mention that 

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We may soon hold Surges again, for the Radiance has returned to some, and shines toward others.

This strongly implies that the Sleepless once were surgebinders, but lost that ability at some point, just like the Parshendi. I wonder if they were actually part of the KR before the Recreance?

From what we've seen of Arclo and Axies, they're pretty Braize powerful already, so it would be pretty cool to see them glow too.