Witborn

From another thread, I confessed my confusion to how electrum works and people have offered up good explanations but there are still things I'd like to explore further so I'm starting a new thread. I wondered if electrum showed the visions of your future self to you or other people. Voidus and natc both state that by showing you your future, you change what you are going to do which changes your atium shadow to nullify the effects of burning atium. At first glance that sound reasonable, but within that seems like there's something in that explanation that makes it just as powerful as atium (which may be the intention). If that explanation in true, that means that my mind, like with atium, must automatically adjust to seeing the shadows and reacting to them. I'm not sure how the mind chooses which electrum shadow to move against since electrum causes many shadows to appear. It must choose one though, in order to affect how someone burning atium sees my shadows because atium allows you to see what the other people (or objects) are going to do, not what they are potentially going to do (hence one atium shadow, not many). If you are both burning atium, your mind reacts to that causing the other person burning atium to do something different and so on and so on. That's why burning atium cancels out atium. Burning electrum can only cancel out atium if it also changes what you are going to do, not what you might do. Therefore your mind must react to the electrum shadows to tell your body to do something else. If that is true, then you could train your mind to do that in general, making electrum not "poor man's atium" but the ability to react to the future.

I have some things I disagree with but I don't want to hijack Oudeis' thread so I'm going to start another.

I guess I'm really confused by electrum then. How does showing me my future self affect someone else burning atium? From HoA It appears, in that quote, to be affecting other people, unless it only affects people burning atium. But that doesn't make it any less confusing to me.

Looks good. Doesn't electrum allow you to project your future self to others, hence why it's called poor man's Atium? I am, admittedly, bad at remembering metals and their numerous effects, though, so I may have that incorrect.

Maybe he'll be inspired by said world hopper while writing this book and start to write the sequal after the first draft is done. At least I can hope.

I don't mean posting the same thing twice, I mean posting anything at all twice in a row. You should try to keep all your responses to one post rather than replying 3 or 4 times in a row to address different people. Does that make sense? There is also a feature to either up-vote or down-vote posts by people on the forum that affects reputation. It's impossible to know why you get down-voted unless people come out and say it but it might be because of your multi-posting.

@Eternal_Radiance, the Cosmere consists of several novels and short stories that Brandon has written: the Mistborn trilogy, Alloy of Law, Elantris, Warbreaker, and the Stormlight Archive (which has two books out right now), plus several short stories/novellas which you can find out more about in these fora. The magic in the Way of Kings is related but not identical to the magic in the other novels. I encourage you to read the other novels before exploring the Cosmere Theories forum since it had spoilers all over the place (and the books are fantastic). The three types of people you mention get a little more elaboration in the second book of the Stormlight Archive, Words of Radiance. Definitely read that to continue the adventure (and find out what "I am a stick" refers to!) Also, there is a general forum rule to avoid double posting (posting one thing right after another) except in very rare occasions. Oh and welcome to the forum and to Brandon Sanderson!

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It's because H isn't really a consonant. It's just a breath marking that changed into its own letter over time.

That's been suggested before and seems to be supported by this WoB:

I thought that death rattle was related to this one. I don't know who it refers to.

I never did like footnotes (shakes fist).Here is the more updated one.

That quote says AoL happened hundreds of years before WoK.

The point of this thread is to gather information about the possible identity of the herald who appears at the end of tWoK. The information I'm looking for are WoBs and textual descriptions of heralds or possible heralds. Hopefully we can also discuss what the evidence actually means as well. I'll try to update this first post with all our evidence and give credit for providing it. Spoilers for WoR will most definitely be in this thread. Anything I put in spoiler tags will be for length. We start with this WoB which seems to put to rest any argument: But then we get this quote, which may be Brandon trolling, or it might not. It is three years after the first one. Brandon's ambivalence as to whether or not that is Taln, or that he returned at all, seems rather pronounced. So if it isn't Taln, who is it? From another WoB, it appears that even if it isn't Taln, it's definitely a Herald (and again we see a mention of it possibly not being Taln: Since half of the Heralds are female, that means there are five choices for who that Herald might be: Ishar, Taln, Kalak, Jezrien, and Nale. I don't have evidence for all the Heralds but it could possibly be any of them (yes even Nale, since we don't know for sure it's him. Given the mental state of Heralds it could be another Herald confused as to who he is, much like our Taln, maybe) Evidence for it being Taln: Evidence against it being Taln: Other thoughts (definitely not objective): The man who appears at the end of tWoK is the same man that Szeth sees at the Beggars Feast in the Prologue to tWoK. Not much evidence, most of it is grasping at straws. Let me know what you think.

I would be careful arguing semantics on something that is not verbatim. I'm with Oudeis here that it doesn't meant Vasher necessarily worldhopped to Roshar, saw a radiant with a sentient sword and say "I should do that".

(Long time lurker, first time poster) I think that's a good order considering what we've seen/learned so far. I actually think 7 and 8 happened at the same time. According to Eshonai's mother in an interlude, the Last Legion abandoned their spren: The" place that had once been a nation and was now rubble" sounds like the Shattered Plains and they moved from that place to abandon their spren (maybe near the area of Feverstone keep?). It really makes me wonder if the actions of the Last Legion and the Recreance happened at the same time, though I have no proof of that at all.